Our Borders
 

A friend told me recently that the Mexican government came across the border to a ranchers home and stole two of his daughters. He said OUR government knows this and refuses to do anything about it, due to wanting good relations with Mexico.

Has anyone else heard anything like this?

Our Borders
 

I have heard that what is happening in the natural is happening in

the Spirit. As the borders (boundries) of our USA are opened up for

all to freely come in, regardless whether friend or foe, Could it be

that as these boundries are being removed in government, move-

ments, families, homes, etc., is the enemy taking over territory that has

not been allowed for him to come in before!! Just get to wondering

about some things. But God has always seemed to have spared those

who stood for righteousness, and delivered them before the destruction.

It seemed that in the Bible before destruction of a city, a nation, etc.,

that there would be a "remnant" of people that had been hidden so that

a seed would be spared to carry on when the wicked were taken away.

When the messenger comes for us and our spirit leaves the body, what

is put into the ground! Is it not our remains! That which is left after the

most important part is gone. Then there is raiment, that in which we are

arrayed in. White linen. Righteousness of the saints. In the OT God

said "their righteousness shall be of me". We don't have any. But what He

puts around us or clothes us with, is HIS Righteousness. Does He array us

in white raiment and have His messengers (angels) carry us to be with Him

forever. Just some thoughts!

Blessings,

Falla39

I'd think the liberal media would have picked up on that by now.

There have been some rather troubling stand offs between US sheriff deputies and/or border agents and Mexican "troops" or police.

In one case some renegade Mexican troops crossed the border to support a drug shipment and leveled a .50 caliber machine gun on a couple of deputies armed only with hand guns. The point of intimidation was very clear.

But for a US citizen(s) to be kidnapped by Mexican "government" agents, or anyone crossing the border, I think that would be all over the news. If it did happen, it may have been Mexican citizens in the US who were taken by Mexican agents and so the US was not involved.

There's a very complex situation on that border, always has been. It used to be that Comanche and Apache raiders would use the border to hide from US troops and US forces went into Mexico on occasion to chase them down. At other times Mexican rebels or bandits robbed US towns along the border and sought sanctuary in Mexico. Pancho Villa was the greatest example of this.

Ever since their independence from Spain (1821) the northern territories of Mexico have been neglected by the ruling establishment in Mexico City. Most of the original Spanish settlers in the US Southwest never considered themselves "Mexicans" - something of a sore spot even today. The people comprised much of the army that fought for Texan independence and they fought along side American forces during the Mexican-American War. They call themselves "Spanish-Americans" as opposed to Mexican-Americans. As a kid I remember seeing fights break out over such niceties.

Now we are seeing a huge influx of Mexican citizens come into America. They are being encouraged by the government to immigrate and among many of them there is a historical revisionism that proclaims the American Southwest and the northern tier of Mexican states to be their "homeland" Anahuac.

Of course, the fact that they must migrate thousands of miles to reach their "homeland" is a paradox not worth troubling with. It is politically incorrect to say so, but many of these movements are racist in nature and a few actually promote the ethnic cleansing of the Americas.

They deny the fact that the Aztecs and other cultures oppressed their fellow native Americans. Instead they glorify the Aztec culture and claim that the rites of human sacrifice were a European invention.

In this climate, it's easy to see how someone can come up with a report about the daughters of a US rancher being kidnapped by the Mexican government. It's obviously not true, but a spark in the wrong place could create something of a firestorm in the situation along the border.

I was told it was tied to the drug lords.

Your confidence in the media is much higher than mine.

I've been searching for something that would relate to this but have not come up with anything- even from the "conservative alternative" news sites like WND and such.

I suspect that the report you heard may have been something like this report from the Dallas/Irving TX area. You have to wade through a couple of ads to get to the Dallas Morning News story. A lot of families get seperated due to the immigration issues. It's sad, but just try and immigrate into any other country in the world and see what happens.

In Spain they were shooting people as they tried to get into Spanish territory. Get caught illegally entering most European countries and unless you have a lot of cash you are "interred" and "repatriated." North Koreans caught sneaking into China often get the death sentence.

The U.S. has bent over backward to accomodate some pretty massive migrations of people just since WW2. Millions of Germans (our enemies!) and other Europeans were settled in the "Displaced Persons" acts. Tens of millions of Mexicans have been allowed to pretty much walk right in and set up shop.

Today, Los Angeles is the second largest Mexican city in the world. It's also the second largest Korean city. The second largest Filipino city. The second largest Guatamalan city. The second largest Costa Rican city. The list goes on.

This is a great country but we all have to work hard to keep it a great place to live. We are honored that so many people want to come here. That says a lot about what it means to be an American and just how lucky all of us are.

Perhaps you didn't see my mention of LIBERAL media......;)

Believe me, they'd love to get a story like that on their laps!!

I am a MexiCalifornian.

We were annexed by the Militant invaders in 1845 to rob our peoples of their heritage and the land of it's gold and resources.

Esther, if we were really serious, we COULD have dug a trench and filled it like the Soviets did in Berlin.

We COULD have allocated funds to FIGHT invasions instead of imprisoning two of our OWN US BORDER AGENTS simply doing their job.

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Yes they told me that as well. Their hands have been tied.

This is really serious to me.

I have seen lately somewhere a story about abductions...more than just these girls...the drug dealers down there are terrorizing the border of our country and those that live along it....

That is what I heard.

Had an interesting conversation with a police officer whose parents lived near the border on the Mexican side.

He said these reports are true. And his parents were leary about crossing over to shop in case they were mistaken for who they were.

He said there are many rumors of them (the Mexican army, who is controlled by the drug lords) coming across and wiping out an entire family and moving in their homes.

He also confirmed they were stealing the girls and taking them back as sex slaves. Which I have heard many times.

He said the country is so corrupt that is why so many are crossing the border to come to America.

Makes you wonder if these stories are true why our government is turning a blind eye???

I did some searching to try and find out if this really happened. I don't find any case where the "Mexican army came across the border to abduct American girls for use as sex slaves." If there was such a case it would have received at least as much news coverage as the US border agents who shot at a drug smuggler and went to prison for it - that is well documented and President Bush has been inundated with demands that the agents be pardoned.

For many years there have been abductions and assaults against college kids going into Mexico to "party." USA today has this report from 2005. As of that time there were 11 U.S. citizens missing "from the Mexican side of the border." That is, U.S. citizens who went to Mexico and never came back.

The article reports on the U.S. State Dept's advisory to travelers to Mexico.

To give some clarity to the types of case: One involved a U.S. citizen who had opened a pharmacy on the Mexican side of the border to sell prescription drugs at a lower cost to Americans. He was held for a large ransom which his wife was forced to pay and was then released.

Since the majority of prostitution along the border involves U.S. citizens "looking for a good time" I personally doubt the sex slave angle that some have reported hearing. When I was just a teen ager my cousins and I were approached in Nogales once and offered an opportunity to exploit a young Mexican girl. We were so horrified that the looks on our faces broke off the proposition right away. My take is that to make money, these guys need to exploit victims who have no one looking for them.

The cases of young American girls gone missing are probably more likely to be "isolated" incidents of predatory criminals - like that case in Aruba involving an American teen. Believe me, if the media could have a nice pretty blond haired girl to splash on our screens every night, they would jump at the chance. They always do.

My last trip to Mexico involved driving my family to some (sort of) remote archeological sites. One place we needed the jeeps to get to. We traveled in a "convoy" style of several rented vehicals with lots of "guys." We were treated cordially at every stop and had the time of our lives. Of course our party didn't drink, no one even smoked, so we weren't in the bars where a lot of illicit propositions are made.

I can't say one way or the other. I do know I am hearing from totally different sources that do NOT know each other telling me the same things.

As to the media broadcasting this. I don't think they for one minute that they have the interest of American in their reporting. Most are owned by foreigners.

I would hope this is not true. But after todays conversation with someone that has family that LIVES there, and he says it is true. I find it hard not to believe it.

Can you get them to give specifics? Like the names of the missing and the places they were abducted from?

Obviously from the US State Dept. report there are "several" Americans missing from along the border. I'm just wondering about details. The State Department puts this in an "Advisory to Travelers;" so it seems to be crime that is happening in Mexico itself.

I've grown up in the region and have crossed just about every border crossing into Mexico and back. I'm familiar with the black market trade and the flow of goods, 'nuf said.

But incursions into the US for anything other than to support a drug deal would be such a serious escalation on the part of the cartels that they would risk losing a very lucrative business. There are "rules" in this game. When somebody breaks the "rules" there are retaliations.

When an American tourist was shot rafting down the Rio Grande many years ago, that was a violation and serious escalation. The result was that US Special Ops started doing "target acquisition" practice in Big Bend National Park and a lot of "targets" were acquired.

The only reason the program was curtailed was because one target ended up being some poor Mexican shepherd who was spotted carrying a rifle along the Mexican side of the river. But an unreported number of armed individuals on the Mexican side experienced the "red mist" feeling before the Spec Ops and Delta boys were called off.

Interesting. First I have heard of this.

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Most what, media outlets? Like CNN, FOX, MSNBC???

Sorry, but if this were true, there are other media outlets, like Amber Alerts and such that would also pick up on this and send out alerts.

There's no way this is being covered up by ALL media. Someone, somewhere, would pick up on this story and take it to higher levels. If it was my children that it happened to, come hell or high water, SOMEONE would hear about it and do something. That someone would have me attached to them like a Siamese twin.

Here is a web site memorializing the unfortunate shepherd.

Here is an article from the NYTimes archives that for some reason is still available without a paid subscription. The original article dates to 1988 - at the height of the Big Bend shootings that led to the US military sniper teams deployment there. In this single incident - one US citizen dead and two wounded.

These innocent and unarmed Americans were shot simply because they are Americans. I find no memorials to the memory of the deceased, Michael W. Heffley of Eastland, Texas. His only "crime" was wanting to see a very beautiful part of Texas and Mexico. For this, he paid the ultimate price.

The very small scale deployment that then Presidents Bush and Clinton allowed was kept tightly under wraps until people within the Clinton administration leaked it to the papers. That and the subsequent shooting of the apparently innocent shepherd led to another black eye for the U.S.

For some reason it is "okay" to kill American tourists, but it is never "okay" to defend other American tourists.

I agree. If no one else, World Net Daily ("World Nut Daily" to some) and the Free Republic ("Freepers") would be all over stuff like this.

oh... give 'em a link:

World Net Daily

Free Republic

... but use discernment. Even though they come across as sympathetic to many issues held dear by Apostolics, there have been some real gaffs from these sources.

With their legal options running out, two agents for the U.S. Border Patrol serving jail sentences in connection with the shooting of a Mexican drug smuggler are appealing their convictions today in federal court.

Convicted Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are contending in an appeal of their prison sentences that their use of deadly force against a fleeing drug smuggler was justified because they believed he was armed and they feared for their lives.


Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, the drug smuggler who testified for the prosecution during the trials for Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, has been arrested on charges of bringing more than 750 pounds of marijuana into the United States.


This is an extremely sad miscarriage of justice. Why we let a Mexican consulate make us charge OUR border officers and sentence them to prison while with holding information that Osvaldo Davila was/is a drug smuggler.

The trial didn't even prove that our border patrol shot him, although they admitted shooting at him, believing he was reaching for a gun. But the bullet was not retrieved to prove he was shot by our border protrol vs the drug lords who could have shot him for coming back without his drugs.

This is a sad situation here.

You can read more about it on Point of View.