New Hope Shooter Posted Threats on EXUPC forum
 

I just got off the phone with Keith and can post the article later-but he said he just read in the paper that the shooter posted his threats on this forum:

http://expentecostals.org/

This is the forum that like to discuss what is said here and often posts some of our members quotes-

I find this amazing that he voiced his threats, what he was planning to do in Col. but no one notified the authorities.**

What do you all think of this?

**Apparently someone was contacted!

Wow, I didn't know there was a site for ex-pentecostals.

I feel horrible I have gone to that website once, but wished I had visited when he was on-

Can anyone who is good at that kinda stuff, find the post over there?

I dont know his user name but can someone dig up any other info?

I just read this..
 

Top News Send to a Friend Printable View Colorado shooter's family 'groping for answers,' praying for victims as services begin
By GEORGE MERRITT and ERIC GORSKI (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
December 12, 2007 2:24 PM EST
DENVER - The family of a young man who went on a deadly shooting rampage in two Colorado religious centers, killing four people before killing himself, said Wednesday that family members are "groping for answers" and praying for the victims' families.

Matthew Murray's family said in the statement that they will hold a private funeral for him later this week.

"We are lost in grief as we prepare to bury our beloved son, Matthew. We loved Matthew with all our hearts, and we are groping for answers as we try in vain to understand the events of last Sunday," the family said.

Two services were being held Wednesday to remember the four people Murray, 24, killed on Sunday when he opened fire first on a missionary center and then on a megachurch some 65 miles (105 kilometers) away.

On Tuesday night, friends and parishioners of Murray's uncle, Phil Abeyta, gathered at the Denver church where he serves as pastor to pray for victims, the Murray family and Matthew Murray.

"They are grateful for your love and support," Abeyta said of the Murray family as he addressed the gathering of about 70 at His Love Fellowship.

The family spent Tuesday quietly, "in reflection and prayer for the families of the victims and those who were injured," Abeyta said.

Murray killed two people at Youth With a Mission, a training center for missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada, early Sunday. About 12 hours later, he killed two more people at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. In between the shootings, Murray is believed to have left several posts on a Web site's forum warning that he wanted to kill Christians.

Joe Istre, president of the Association of Former Pentecostals, which operates the site, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he and other forum participants had grown familiar with the frequent and disturbingly dark poetry and obsessions of one participant, whose nickname was nghtmrchld26.But when that same author - believed to be Murray - left the posts on the day of the shootings, a forum participant immediately contacted the FBI, Istre said."I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill," one threat posted by nghtmrchld26 said.

"My reaction was disbelief, but then almost horror," Istre said of Murray's violence. "This guy was posting on our forums, and we are a support group out to help people, to try to get them to calm their fears and get them into a productive life. And here we are conversing with a dude who was a killer."Arvada police spokeswoman Susan Medina said police cannot say with certainty who nghtmrchld26 is. Istre also said his forum agreed to turn over all relevant information, and provided the FBI the Internet Protocol address of nghtmrchld26 to help confirm the poster's identity.

The Denver Post reported Wednesday that Murray also was apparently posting to a different forum under the name DyingChild-65, and may have foretold of his rampage there, too. In one posting, he references one of the killers responsible for the Columbine school massacre, Eric Harris, and the gunman who opened fire at Virginia Tech, Seung-Hui Cho. He also mentioned Ricky Rodriguez, who stabbed a prominent member of a church once known as the Children of God, then shot himself in the head in 2005. The group had been accused of sexually and physically abusing child members during the 1970s and 1980s."Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine," the newspaper quoted the post as saying.

The Gazette of Colorado Springs reported Murray also posted rants under the name "Chrstnghtmr."

Murray, 19, was dismissed from Youth With a Mission in 2002 for what the training center has described only as health reasons. Youth With a Mission maintains an office at New Life Church's World Prayer Center.

An autopsy Tuesday determined that Murray killed himself with a bullet to the head after he was brought down by gunfire from a volunteer security guard at the church, authorities said.

I saw that on the news too. how sad... and considering how they quote people here in a negative light, it sure is a little close for comfort isnt it?

I doubt they still have his posts up.

I was wrong. this is the link to the forum. under the area "The Patio" there is a spot called

nghtmrchld26's posts on 12/9/07

here is the link

WARNING - the language is ROUGH!!!!!!!!

http://p223.ezboard.com/bexpentecostalforums

Jeanie,

Sounds like they did contact the right people.

Yes I see that now, I didnt realize that.

I stand corrected.

I just assumed that the authorities were not notified because there was no intervention before the incident.

I realize that could be due to the lack of information-

And timing - he was posting that morning at 11:00 a.m. The article said he killed the first two, then posted and killed the others 12 hours later.

Wow.

I've always wanted to know how that guy is that founded and owns that XPentecostal forum

Does anyone know?? I think, from what i can remember, he said he was from Houston,TX

I believe it's Joe Istre (a former Apostolic), from San Antonio.

Its on public record.
A basic WHOIS search will give you some info on the site.

http://123ehost.com/domain.htm

I would like more information on Joe Istre.

anyone know about his background? WHY is he so bitter ???

Joe didn't start the site, someone else did. The founder turned it over to Joe.

Do you know the founder and how it all came about ???

I'm really curious about this

Reading this it reminds me of another "letter" where someone was asking about information on another "poster." :jolly :christmasjig

So who actually started the site?

Don't know why he's so bitter, but he's sure gone 180 degrees from his original beliefs.

His testimony:

Personal Bio :: Ex-Pentecostal, Ex-Oneness, Ex-UPC. I was a Oneness Pentecostal for over 20 years, and a Pentecostal musician in five different churches over a period of 13 years in Louisiana, California and Texas. I am now a sane, confirmed Lutheran (ELCA).

A quick Google search shows some of his antipathy for Pentecostalims, such as, referring to speaking in tongues as "babbling under emotional ecstasy"or describin his "ministry" as one of "Rescuing Pentecostals one soul at a time".

Poor thing.

I wouldn't want to even be standing anywhere near this guy on Judgment Day.

http://www.geocities.com/nsyncsavestheday/helpkill.jpg

Totally off topic, of course...

I just ran across this on the 'net and I thought I'd share.
Thought it was kinda cute, I guess.


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I stumbled upon this website late last year, which lead me to AFF. The things I've read on that site would make your blood run cold. The primary goal of the "association" was to bring down the UPC and any other pentecostal/charismatic denomination. I had tried reaching out to a couple of people there, but the stronghold on their lives kept them bound with so much hatred that I had failed in my attempts.

I was on their mailing lists and I received this email Monday night. I was going to post it here on AFF, but I had my reservations. Boustro who wrote the email has been a member here on AFF for a few months and I have known of at least two other members on AFF that post there too.

This is a message from the Ex Pentecostal Forums community administrator: This is an unofficial announcement from an ex-pentecostals.org admin(Tim/boustro). Unofficial in that I haven't had a chance to go over it with the other board members of the Association of Former Pentecostals (AFP, the owner of the ex-pentecostals forums). So I am only speaking for myself, at this point. The AFP may make official statements later. There were two shootings yesterday, one at a YWAM facility and one at New Life Church, both in Colorado. More details are available on any number of news sites, etc. First, I hope it would be obvious, but just to be sure: the AFP condemns in no uncertain terms the use of force to make any kind of"statement", or in retaliation for past hurts. Certainly, the use of deadly force is never justified. A member of the ex-pentecostals forum made threatening posts yesterday, apparently between the two attacks. The FBI has been given all the information we have about this person, and is fully cooperating. There is no official word, as of now, whether this person was the attacker. We have only circumstantial evidence, at this point. It is possible that the ex-pentecostal forums will be mentioned in the media. The effect of this mention is hard to predict, but there will likely be at least a jump in accesses, which may impact availability. Choo (a member of the forum) has set up an email address for a back up method of communication among members. It's not an official AFP account, but he is offering its use. Send him an email, toexpentecostals@hushmail.com, and ask to be put on the list. It will be used for sending you updates, if the board is overloaded or shuts down. (I don't have access to your email addresses directly. This note is being sent via an ezboard feature.) Please be assured that we, the AFP board, will do everything we can to ensure that the board continues in its important mission of supporting ex-pentecostals and getting the truth out. Tim (boustro) Return to: Ex Pentecostal Forums http://p223.ezboard.com/bexpentecostalforums

BTW, I read the post by the young man in question and they were truly frightening. If you want, I could try and post them here.

I am posting this link, but I am not sure how long they will keep it up if they find out about it being here on AFF. If someone wants to copy what it written there before they take it down, you may want to do it quickly.

http://p223.ezboard.com/nghtmrchld26...talforumsfrm60

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What a stupid place! EX-Pentecostals? Ridiculous, lets just call 'em lost losers already.
HOW can they be allowed to post some comments from here, isn't that illegal?

It would've probably helped to have provided the direct link to the actual posts, IF KNOWN, perhaps his username isn't yet known? I haven't read all the posts yet, so someone may have linked this already, sorry.
This 'forum'(?) is disgusting I'd not want to dirty my hands looking for it myself., it can't be of anything edifying whatsoever anyway, the man is gone to his rewards by now., his friends from there will join him one day.

But you are praying for them, right?

A "support"(?) forum??? For HELP??? Hah, get real! Goodness gracious, what sickness abounds, that young guy was definitely disturbed and look where he went? They should know better than to mess with our LORD and HIS WORD.
Yikes, this sure doesn't play out well for organized religion does it?
Especially Pentecostals, the devil is out for blood and I hate him more than ever, he is desperate, in these last days, well we can readily see that our
LORD
cometh quickly.

Look up, simplyme...post # 22 has the link.

OMG, A disciple of satan is what he was, they let anyone post such things there, well its crazy, using the "f" word over and over this guy was mucho enraged inside., claiming abuse from everyone; well he won't bother anyone anymore., but we know there has to be more like him possibly even on that forum.,
LETS PRAY they get help., and return to the ONE GOD the only one that can bring LIGHT into their darkness.
:praying

BUt of course!
Are you?

Yeah, you're right. With attitude like this why wouldn't everyone want to be Pentecostal?

I'll refrain from calling anyone a lost loser thanks..especially those who have been hurt once or twice or thrice already.

While I may understand your sentiment, you should understand that many that are ex-pentecostal and are on this site posting those things must have a serious problem with us based upon some of our attitudes. This post of yours is probably why some turn the way they do, you should take that into consideration for future references.

Not to worry, I probably should tone down my 'tude as well.

Yes.

No, you're pretty much right on. :thumbsup

The end result of unresolved bitterness is death for the person who holds it and those around who becomes a receipent of it.

Wait....the majority of people on here are still pentecostal??
You mean this is not an ex-pentecostal's site??

You could have fooled me!


















































Calm down....LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!

The cursing that's allowed on that site leads me to believe they are more than just ex-Pentecostals.

That would happen here if admin would allow it.

I know it's been attempted by some, usually pseudo-cussin, like using $*(&% in place of words.

And I know there have been 'but it's in the Bible' words used also.

But the F word? That's rank, I don't care what religion you are or how many gods you believe in.

Its's a mixed bag over on that site. Baptists, non-denominational, atheists, agnostic, the guy who runs it is now Lutheran, etc.

Some are former UPC, ALJC, charismatic, AG, etc etc.

The only thing they all have in common is that they don't care for Pentecostal churches at all.