Are Apostolics Wise?
 

Since this is a day of great wisdom, shall we consider this deep and philosophical thought.

Just because you are Apostolic does that make one wise?

Does having perceived truth or revelation make on wise?

Because you baptize in Jesus Name does that make you wiser than other Christians?

Does having the H.G. make you wiser?

And lastly, does education or learning give you wisdom?

Does wisdom equate to intellect? Many geniuses can't function in the real world.

Does too much learning actually make you mad? (as in crazy)

Raised in the church and in the ministry most of my adult life, I've witnessed pastors, preachers and laity alike do some pretty dumb stuff.

If we really do have the full revelation of the Godhead, the full revelation of Salvation, the full revelation of the H.G., why are we so backward and stupid at times?

Being Apostolic does not mean one is wise. It means that one has received from the Lord.

Received from the Lord what? If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God who gives it liberally...If we are so spiritual, why are we so stupid? Have we not asked for wisdom?

Apostolics should be harmless as doves and wise as serpents, but you know...

i believe wisdom is acknowledging god and living according to his precepts so of course apostolics should be wise, now are they, oh no, not all the time for any of us, lol,dt:bells

Very truthfully, wisdom is something I pray for repeatedly, and have ever since I was "birthed" as a child of God.

Proverbs 9:10 - "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

But it is the wisdom of the Lord that I pray for, not the wisdom of man, nor the wisdom of this world.

I would like to be wiser but then there are some things I just don't want to know.

Sorry, but "dumb post."

Just when I was beginning to like you mighty mouse. It's only dumb to those who have no wisdom.

Christians ARE told to be wise and to "test all things"..... Yet far too many are all to willing to appeal to the "God of the gaps" for most of their knowledge.

Excellent point. Vulnerability is a by product of ignorance. My experience has led me to question the wisdom of people who claim spirituality and holiness.

Holiness biblically defined is "ones proximity to God". How can Apostolics claim holiness, without wisdom? Assumptions, suppositions, jumping to conclusions, this is not wisdom, but stupidity.

I have seen people fall for about any new thing that comes along...

I remember Pastor Charles Grisham from Detroit preaching this in Georgia...

"If a judge gets the Holy Ghost, you have a saved judge.

If a policeman gets the Holy Ghost, you have a saved policeman.

If a dingbat gets the Holy Ghost, you have a saved dingbat."

Unless the elder is in error, I reckon that the Holy Ghost does not MAKE one smarter.

However, the Holy Ghost WILL lead and guide you into all truth. Trouble is--you gotta follow.


Blessings


Parson

I've been around a few churches and denominations, just to name a few and there were plenty of dumb; Catholics, Congregationalists, Methodists, Seventh-Day Advenist, Charismatics and AoG people... Why the need to pick on Apostolics? There are plenty of people dumber than us and some smarter than us, but none of them are saved like us, and whatever they have isn't what I want, cause I've been there and done that, and the grass is greener right here- in GOD's Church!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

It is our Elitist attitude that is our plague. I got the holy ghost and they don't.

So many stop right therre and stdy the word no further for themselves.
We have among us some of the most biblically ignorant people in the world.

Before you all shoot me, we do have some among us who have studied the word in depth.

For instance, [you] one of the most studious posters among us. Always right on topic. Always the right answer. [you] is the the greatest all time smartest poster on this forum. :jolly:jolly :christmasjig

... Yes yes.. I really think that [you] is the most studious! Pastor you are the wisest though.

I'd rather belong to the mutual admiration society any day. Why are you always playing with your big fish?

Gotsha again [you]

I agree, but the bible tells us to ask God for wisdom and he will give it to us. Again, if we are so spiritual, why are we so STUPID!!!

I like you too...tell monkey man hello for me. We grew up together, he just doesn't know it. I'm incognito.

AHHHH! That's so confusing that thing where everyone's name shows up.

Anyways, call it elitist, but I do believe there is one way to salvation. Now GOD can be more merciful than HE said in HIS Word, but we're not promised that. So are "they" saved like us, no.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

You correct Sept5SavedTeen, they are saved by grace thru their faith...not like us, by our works. :christmaskiss

Bro,

Acts 2:38 was not salvation by "works" for me.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

... wow... so were you institutialized for very long afterward:jolly?

institutianalized... how do you spell that?

This is not very wise...why is it that you guys can't look past acts 2:38? This is exactly what I'm talking about.

You can download spellchecker for internet explorer for free. It'll work with any web page. I've known the Ramirez family my whole life.

who says "we" are so stupid? why would we be more wise than anyone else?

the bible says "get wisdom" it doesnt say you get it by virtue of getting the Holy Ghost.

also, what kind of wisdom are you talking about? Wisdom that is from above or human wisdom?

We is a universal term. We would be more wise because we are supposed to be more spiritual. As I stated earlier, the holier you are the closer you are to God. If we are really holy, we should be wise too.
Solomon received wisdom from above. All wisdom comes from God. All intellect comes from God. There is no such thing as human wisdom. Any wisdom we receive would be a gift from God.

My point is this; many people think just because they receive the H.G., they suddenly have all wisdom and refuse to open their minds to greater understanding. This is evidenced by ignorant thinking. The possibility of being wrong eludes many.

I have learned that while the Holy Ghost can direct behavior, the Holy Ghost does not instantly change someone's nature, nor does it change personality.

I know some pretty stupid people who have the Holy Ghost, who have advance degrees, and conversely some of the wisest and most intelligent people I have ever met had neither.

This is the basis for one of MY conundrums, why is it that folks in the UPC believes that everyone in the mainstream who receives the Holy Ghost will soon be knocking at their door.

the good think is, we have identified another point to disagree on! LOL!

I know some folk that are as lost as two boys kissing that are wise in the ways of the world.

being spiritual doesnt make one wise. it makes one spiritual.

being Apostolic doesnt make one wise it makes one Apostolic.

Carp, I agree with your post. I am a little dumbfounded with the statement "the H.G. does not instantly change someone's nature". This tends to fly against traditional thinking of what happens when one is born again. I think I know what you mean, and I would agree to an extent.

Again, I ask you does intelligence bring wisdom. Does having knowledge of nuclear physics make one wise?

You're a smart guy, does that make you wise? Solomon was wise, but wasn't very smart at times.

As to your last statement I would equate that to spiritual elitism or religious pride.

Hmnn, so what you are saying is because you are spiritual or apostolic does not make you wise. Interesting.

Intellect and wisdom are often miles apart. Wisdom is the application of intellect.

that is what I am saying.

This is a great point.


wisdom isnt being smart.

if one was born dumb as a box of rocks, they may appear to be unwise when really they just dont have much smarts to apply wisdom to.

Very nice! So smart people should be wise as long as they apply their intellect? Is it possible to be wise without having intellect? There are plenty of rich dumb people who made millions by mistake.

I do not believe that the Holy Ghost changes the nature of an individual, the scripture never says anything about that. If an individual is short tempered, opinionated, outspoken, if they like Jazz, if their favorite crayola color is brick red, all these will be the same after they get the Holy Ghost. Unfortunately their tastes in other things will be the same too.

Does intelligence bring wisdom? Yes because an intelligent person will foster those things that will make him wise. Information makes you wise, experience makes you wise, observation makes you wise and the intelligent individual will continue to embrace those things that will improve his character as well as to avoid repeating history and making the same mistakes twice.

Solomon's intelligence made him wise when he had the motivation to be intelligent. Afterward, he still had the intelligence, but he relied on something else to influence and motivate the source of his wisdom or lack of wisdom after the fact.

Goodness, I just typed a book saying the exact same thing and he said it here in one sentence!

Good form ChT!

I've been called a wise guy before, that count?

Don't ask for something you just might get.