Can Apostolics be Democrats?
 

Since the Democratic party platform is primarily liberal to the core, believing in:

Abortion on demand
Gay Marriage & gays as a special interest group
BIG government
More government control of citizen's lives
Silencing the Christian voice in America
Removing the 10 commandments

and a host of other causes that are un-biblical..........can a true Apostolic be a Democrat who believes in these things and please God?




Just wondering. This will be the first election that I will be voting as a registered Independent. :D

IF and only if you were to be a Roosevelt Democrat...but then again you would also have to be alive.

:D

Roosevelt was a communist.

No. no self respecting christian can be a democrat.

that is a good question i actually know a few that are dems, but it is rooted in there family traditions, or whatever other reason i am not sure, one couple is a good friend of mine and for the life of me i cant figure how they can do it, for all the reasons listed, dt:santathumb

Why would any God fearing christian of ANY religion want to be a Democrat?? I think they will have some 'splanin to do....'!!

I wouldn't think so, but the Republicans aren't much better.

My grandparents are, it appalls them that my father is republican, and they are the most godly, God-fearing people I know.

They are still in the mindset of the 40's & 50's, and no amount of arguing will convince them otherwise. These are people who have always worked themselves to the bone, they do not listen to radio, read the newspaper or watch TV, so they have no real concept of how much the world has changed, especially politically.

Yes, my deceased mother was one...So I don't appreciate the comments.

What about following people who start wars by lies, should a self respecting Christian vote for them...What about giving arms to terrorists in all areas of the world, but I will settle on Afghanistan and Nicaraugra...2 sides to every story. Btw, I have always voted republican, but that isn't my point.

No, Roosevelt had socialist leanings with his New Deal. He was viewed as a president for the working people, that is why so many old-timers are still Democrat despite all their current demonic positions.

Today FDR along with JFK would be considered conservative and Republican.

This is evidenced by the exact reasons Ronald Reagan switched from the Democratic party to the Republican party and further became the Godfather of the contemporary conservative movement. He could have been considered a Roosevelt Republican.

Cmon Ferd...

Exactly, case in point to my post above.

The other side of the coin is, how much have the republican presidents actually done to stop or change any of the things listed.

IMO, all politicians are bought and sold so many times by the time they reach the White House, they are virtually ineffectual anyways.

I'm not a democrat, but I wouldn't consider myself a republican anymore either.

My mother and I both work the elections every voting day - me as a registered Republican, she as a registered Democrat. Both of solid Christian Bible-believing women.

I would register as an Independent except for the fact that I enjoy working on election day and there is no space at the table for an Independent.

So I just vote for the one who I feel is the best for the job and don't even check to see what denomination they are.

What IS your point?

I am not sure the initial post in this thread said anything about comparing the two or which is the greater party...

:amen

What I don't understand is how the "christian" republicans can ignore all this stuff.

I am republican, I will vote republican, and I do not believe that you can be politically or socially liberal and still believe that every word in the Bible is true.

Republican presidents appoint conservative judges (not necessarily that all of them maintain their views), and I would rather take the chance of appointing a conservative hoping he has strong convictions read: Justice Thomas and Scallia, than appointing a flat out liberal radical read: Justice Ginsberg.

I have always felt the Republican Party has fit my way of life. I CANNOT say I agree with all they stand for...but most. I DID NOT mean to offend anyone with my comment about being God fearing, because we will all have to answer for everything we say and do some day. Even old winklebottom!!!

Define ignore, and please let us know what you would have us to do?

My grandfather was the senior elected official in the state of Louisiana when he died.

He was president of the Democratic Executive committe from 1939ish to 1996. He never once voted for a democrat for president! LOL!

Bows head, clasps hands and says "AMEN"

My problem is, and realize that I am coming from a very republican family (other than the grandparents, of course) is that when you bring up the issues like the war for instance (which I am not going to go into all the reasons that I am opposed to at the moment, that is a whole different discussion) there is always this kind of shrug your shoulders response. As if one right negates the other wrong.

I just think that the republicans=christians idea is wrong. I would never vote against my beliefs, but then again, I don't believe that voting republican should be automatic. That is what got my grandparents in the situation they are in. Things and times change, when they started voting democrat, the issues were entirely different from what they are now.

You're right, but niether should a christian be a republican.

Funny Carp, if I had a nickle for everytime I heard that, I could afford to take YOU to Ruth Chris Steakhouse!

My point is addressing the question, "Can Apostolics be Democrats?" The case was made that due to the fact that Democratic leaders have made unbibilical choices, "No self respecting Christian would be a Democrat". I would reply, using that logic, No self respecting Christian would be a Republican. Both sides have made some unbiblical decisions...yet, I believe any self respecting Christian can choose to be either.

Diz, in part I agree. while I dont see how a christian could vote for a Dem. that does not mean voting for Republicans is one's Christian duty.

However right now, I think stopping the dems from getting elected IS ones christian duty.

there will be 2, possibly 3 supreme court appointments in the next cycle. one is the most liberal judge on the court. (John Paul Stephens) the other is the swing vote (Justice Kennedy)

moving both of those to the right CHANGES AMERICA.

As for the war in Iraq, dont believe the media.

well a christian CAN be a republican but doesnt HAVE to be.

"God once winked at ignorance, but now requires every man to repent".

In light of the above scripture, I don't see how.:lol

But of course. The only requirement for such an Apostolic...NO CONSCIENCE. That is not problmatic...there seems to be no shortages of such creatures.

Now we are going in circles Ferd, he he! You must be high off of the fumes from your Viking stove or some other high end appliance that you great chefs use! J/K

When we meet in heaven, we will shake hands and praise God. I'm sure I will recognize you...you will be wearing the Ronald Reagan T-shirt!!!!! Haaaaa

I hope you had one hand over your heart when you typed the words "Ronald Reagan"!

it is required you know.

In a word...


NO... :beatdeadhorse I'm beating a dead Democratic donkey!!!!

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I am in agreement with your points, I think you understand mine. I am not saying that I will not vote republican, but what I do vote for will not be a party.

As for the war, I do not believe the media, but I do believe fact, and I know who's pockets have been lined by this war, and I know how many have lost their lives for it. One other point, how do you think your children and grandchildren are going to survive under the burden of debt that is being left to them. Current national deficit is $9.1 Trillion and counting.

I will give you JFK. Roosevelt was right on American Hegemony he was not right on social policy. Uncle Ronny disagreed with Roosevelt on social security and Uncle Ronny was right.

FDR was a marxist when it came to economic policy.

Diz, that diatribe about whos pockets are being lined by this war is an old tired and off base back door attack by whacked out liberals who are feeding off peoples fears.

I think the deficit is outrageous but I also think muslims with bombs strapped to their chests need to be dealt with in some location other than the streets of America.

my kids will have a harder time surviving with muslim terrorists trying to kill them than by dealing with the deficit.

Is Monkeyman going to be sneaking across the border and voting on Super Tuesday?!?!?

:hmmm








Thad long has said he was voting for Hillary. He voted Democratic because he said they would spend more on his roads. Thad IS a Christian.

I am not a whacked out liberal and have researched the numbers myself.

If a person BELIEVES these things you listed, he or she is not Apostolic. How they vote is their business. Just becuase they are registered as DEMOCRAT, that doesn't mean they agree with or support all DEMOCRAT paltform positions. I'm sure ALL Republicans do not agree with ALL Republicans positions. How they vote, or what party, they are registered with has no bearing whatsoever with whether they are Christian or not. Its what they BELIEVE in their heart.

I am conservative and I have researched the numbers.

The Republicans do not have anything left to offer the masses.

The new voters don't remember Jimmy Carter and 24% unemployment and 24% interest rates. They don't remember it took 3 FULL years of recession to bring out some change that has been ongoing now for 27 years of prosperity. The gimme crowd hears that health care will cost them less and to them they don't want to research the fact that someone someplace has to pay for the $58 bottle of eye drops Medicare was charged when my wife was in the hospital recently. They don't know what a mess Medicare is as socialized medicine and don't want to know more except that they are going to get FREE drugs and not have to pay the doctor. The gimme crowd does not know what it was to have tried to get a job in 1981-1983 because they were not born. They know they have always known Nintendo and Microwaves and that to their mind is like Star Trek- done in an instant. They know paperplates and McDonald's throw away wrappers.

And to them Bill Clinton was great, because he had a cute daughter and he was on MTV playing his sax. To them there is no moral absolutes for lying, murder, rape and extramarital sex.

In other words, America has a challenge.

:rant

Questions for those who voted for Republicans in the last few elections.

1. Where is our gay marriage ammendment?
2. Why are our "conservative" legislators so in love with pork barrel spending?
3. Why did our President erode our privacy rights as no other before him has?
4. How many Republicans are for gay marriage and abortion?




I really don't see much difference between the two parties any more.

I think Republicans treat the Fundamentalist Christians just like Democrats treat African-Americans. They use fear and lies and all sorts of silly promises to motivate us to vote for them and then never follow through and get anything done.

I am having a hard time justifying my being repulican not to others but to God.

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I was not refering to you....however i would be interested in seeing this research and where it comes from.