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ManOfWord

12-17-2007 09:57 AM

Is this sound theology?

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:

"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D

OneAccord

12-17-2007 10:47 AM

I say, Huh?

Never heard it put this way. Jesus being "buried in me"? Submerged? Immersed? Dipped?. Would be interesting to read the authors complete statement to get a better idea of ewhat he (or she) is trying to say. But, on the basis of what you quoted...all I can say is...

Huh?

TRFrance

12-17-2007 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329307)

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:

"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D

The first part I agree with totally, because that is scriptural.

Rom 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death"

The second part is not stated in scripture so I wouldn't teach that as doctrine.
A portion of the Spirit of Jesus is deposited into us, sure, but I wouldn't say he is being baptized into us. I can see how someone could think of it that way metaphorically, but that's not something I'd go around stating as being any kind of biblical doctrine per se.

Scott Hutchinson

12-17-2007 10:57 AM

Of course there is no virtue in H20,but to receive Christ is to receive His Holy Spirit.

TRFrance

12-17-2007 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329307)

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:

ManOfWord... what's the organization that produced this publication?

mizpeh

12-17-2007 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329307)

I agree with the first part. We are baptized into Christ (the body of Christ) when we are baptized in Jesus name. Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27, 1 Cor 12:13

The second part is not in the Bible and is worded oddly.

staysharp

12-17-2007 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329307)

H20 Is Jesus? Bizarre.

Scott Hutchinson

12-17-2007 12:00 PM

Baptism is essential in following Our Lord ,but water cannot give regeneration.

ManOfWord

12-17-2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 329338)

ManOfWord... what's the organization that produced this publication?

I'll let the discussion go on for a little while, then I'll reveal the source unless someone else beats me to it! :D

Barb	12-17-2007 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329307)

*sigh* It is a tragedy that people feel that in order to make a point they must make up some kind of a catch-phrase or slogan or some weird thing.

The even greater tragedy is that if we have made it up because it sounds cute to us, but it's not true...well I'll leave that alone.

ManOfWord

12-17-2007 03:23 PM

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

tbpew

12-17-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329549)

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

Are they willing to listen to you, MOW?

If so, what are you telling them happens when a believer receives the Holy Ghost?

TRFrance

12-17-2007 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329524)

I'll let the discussion go on for a little while, then I'll reveal the source unless someone else beats me to it! :D

Fine. How about if you gave us the full quote on context?
Maybe that be helpful...?

Coonskinner

12-17-2007 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329549)

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

MOW,

If i gleefully reported every wacko thing said or written by Ex-Apostolics like the crowd you fellowship with, complete with big cheesey smiley faces, what would you think?

Hoovie

12-17-2007 04:54 PM

what to do...

...what to do...

...Coon and Mow - both nice guys - both post alot of truth and make alot of sense...

i'm out

pelathais

12-17-2007 04:58 PM

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

mizpeh

12-17-2007 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 329614)

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

You're in an agreeable mood this evening! What did you have for supper? :christmoose

Hoovie

12-17-2007 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 329614)

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

PEL SAVES THE DAY!!!

pelathais

12-17-2007 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329549)

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

Good point. With our reputation and the public perception of OP's in general, maybe we HAVE TO go that extra mile and try and make certain that we're doing those "cheesy" things that characterize so many others as well.

This doesn't mean that we're "worse" than everybody else when it comes to "cheesy" approaches to evangelism. It does mean that we should be better than most everybody else, however.

Coonskinner

12-17-2007 05:04 PM

I have no idea where the quote came from, but like others have said, the second half of it is basically just the kind of pithy phrase that goes over well with some crowds.

But is just seems like kind of a cheap shot to me.

Believe me, there are lots of publications on the other side of the fence to lift quotes from.

pelathais

12-17-2007 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 329619)

You're in an agreeable mood this evening! What did you have for supper? :christmoose

Yes, I do agree with you... http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/ima...ons/icon12.gif And dinner is still on the stove. I did see some of my favorite cheese sauce getting ready for the broccoli and cauliflower. My wife stayed home "sick" today so things have been pretty stress free and will result in an exceptional meal!

This of course merely makes up for tomorrow when the house will be full of a bunch of high school girls doing a "major" project that requires all new ink cartridges. I'll be at the library if it's wet outside; climbing the foothills if its nice.

Barb	12-17-2007 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 329614)

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

This is true...:star

Sister Alvear

12-17-2007 06:40 PM

Just wondering where the quote came from...

ManOfWord

12-17-2007 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 329559)

Are they willing to listen to you, MOW?

If so, what are you telling them happens when a believer receives the Holy Ghost?

I don't claim to be a spokesman...just a "watchman" on the wall with a trumpet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 329609)

MOW,

If i gleefully reported every wacko thing said or written by Ex-Apostolics like the crowd you fellowship with, complete with big cheesey smiley faces, what would you think?

I wouldn't "think" anything. There may even be more wacko things said on that side if the truth were known. Didja sit on a splinter today? :D (note the cheesy smiley face)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 329596)

Fine. How about if you gave us the full quote on context?
Maybe that be helpful...?

I can't give you the context right now because the publication is at my office. I took the quote from the "call out" box in the article. Apparently the publisher/editor(a Bible School) obviously thought that it was a key part of what was said. So, it is not I who lifted it out of the whole message. The quote is from a UPC evangelist in the 70's.

staysharp

12-17-2007 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329688)

I don't claim to be a spokesman...just a "watchman" on the wall with a trumpet.

I wouldn't "think" anything. There may even be more wacko things said on that side if the truth were known. Didja sit on a splinter today? :D (note the cheesy smiley face)

I can't give you the context right now because the publication is at my office. I took the quote from the "call out" box in the article. Apparently the publisher/editor(a Bible School) obviously thought that it was a key part of what was said. So, it is not I who lifted it out of the whole message. The quote is from a UPC evangelist in the 70's.

Perspective magazine?

ManOfWord

12-17-2007 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp (Post 329696)

Perspective magazine?

Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!! Well done! I knew it wouldn't take too long! :D

staysharp

12-17-2007 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 329701)

Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!! Well done! I knew it wouldn't take too long! :D

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

ManOfWord

12-17-2007 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp (Post 329708)

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

But just think of all the people it ..... reaches....oh, wait, it only goes to a small segment of the UPC ministers. :D

Hoovie

12-17-2007 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staysharp (Post 329708)

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

Full color printing has become very competitive - on eof the few things that has gone down in pricing in the last decade.

ManOfWord

12-18-2007 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 329756)

Full color printing has become very competitive - on eof the few things that has gone down in pricing in the last decade.

Yes, that can be both good and bad! :D

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