*BREAKING*Tulsa gathering beginning to unravel!
 

**It appears that the plot beginning to thicken!**
In the last few days,several members have shared important insight about the new fellowship allegedly charging that it is being built on lies,bribs and coverups.
Is their plan starting to backfire and unravel?Are these charges beginning to emerge to the point that many potential attendees are backing out?

A reliable source also revealed to me that one prominant pastor out west who was planning on attending the meeting was very upset after discovering his name was on the general council.This pastor never agreed nor committed to being on this council.He called one of the leaders and let it be known that he was backing out altogether.
There are a number of reports of preachers who are starting to backout of this gathering and are upset that their names were put on committees and even positions without their consent.


Here is a post by Pastor G that caught my attention:

Originally Posted by Pastor G

As I said before, which you seem to have ignored, i suppose because it didn't stir things up enough for you... Wayne McClain told me to my face last week that he was only going to Tulsa, "cause it doesn't hurt to hear what they say." When LB called him, he told him he wasn't interested.. As I said before, I don't see eye with Bro. McClain on to many issues, however he is an extreme gentleman and most certainly a man of his word..

I also know that HQ has been in contact with some of these men on the list and they have mentioned that they have been courted, but weren't going anywhere... Some on there aren't even going to Tulsa... Those told some at HQ that this was a list of hopefuls at best...

They are throwing that out there so that all of the ones they are trying to get to come will see that they are not alone... However, I believe it will backfire... Some that were really considering getting in on the ground floor of this new thing now see that everything seems to have been already set in place... It was billed as a formation conference to a lot of folks and now to them, it appears that the formaton has already taken place and they will have no say... That has ticked several off since the list was made available...


Any thoughts?

A fellow Pastor friend of mine told me that they are already trying to do damage control.That list they put up on their website has caused a fury.

Chris Craft is another one who never gave his consent for his name to used on their committee.He is upset because he made it clear that he was NOT joining.

Its coming apart at the the seams because of the deceit. Because the ultra cons want to keep things old school.

Can someone clarify as why a name of a minister(or minsters') would be used to endorse a group without the minister's knowledge??

I am disappointed because I was thinking the Tulsa movement is exactly what the UPC needs.

I hope they get it worked out and doesn't end up like Donald Trump's USFL.

Exactly what the UPC needs?? Why is that ?

Keep things Old school? what's that got to do with anything?
what exactly are you getting at ?

Do any of you have any proof, or documentation for these accusations, or are you just engaging in more talebearing and gossip.

Oh, wait this is Thads Tab...thats all that goes on here.

Dude, they even mentioned names. I'm pretty sure if PastorG posted a name and is a personal friend, he wouldn't lie about it.

I understand that these men have strong convictions.But also they are very afraid of change and also they are afraid if they let this one standard slide the rest will follow. What I meant by the old school statement Thad is a lot of the these utla cons want to keep it old style pentecost.

Then what are you doing here reading it ??

Old style pentecost? when i think of OTP, i think of singing old songs out of hymanl, brush harbor style services, and of course, old fashioned attire.


and don't some some of them believe in technology?(not TV of course)but other forms of it

Yes, some of them does believe in other forms of technology.

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

Good thoughts. :santathumb

I agree, however the Tulsa group don't really appear to represent that "UC" block. At least the list of names in both Councils cover almost as broad a spectrum as the UPC itself.

So what's the motive? it's not like the TV issue has split the org, nor holiness standards.

Issues don't split organizations or churches, people split churches and organizations.

I think that between all this conjecture and bantering from all different sides the truth avoids us. In fact the result of Tulsa is something that is going to disappoint us because it will be as dynamic as a fourth of July fireworks display in the middle of a trailer park.

This post is extreeeeeemely insightful. Man, gathered a unique point of view from this post. What would we do without our lurkers and newbies spouting these sage words of wisdom?


As was stated before, how is this Tulsa meeting coming apart at the seams? It has been stated that this is an introductory meeting. It is on fragile egg shells as it is as most of the men prospecting that they will visit the meeting have made it clear that they will not be part of a protest movement.

There has to be SOME structure, what's wrong with setting a foundation of men for this org to be built upon? For the sake of gossip and the opportunity to attack a group of preachers, this fledgling fellowship sure has brought out a lot of uninformed ignorant people spouting their babblings...er...views

Let me state that my understanding is that the "list", as well as the website, was not going to be opened up until a later date. So It could be that an initial list was made with the intent on verifying the names, and changing them if need be, PRIOR to opening the site.

I agree with you. I think it has been a surprise to HQ that so many are dropping. But I still see this as a good thing and hope both sides can move on with their agenda without killing each other.

You have read a few other posts I hope saying that there are names on the list of men that haven't committed to being a part of Tulsa, right?

Of course. One name was added within the last 24hrs. who personally told me he had been asked and was not added until then. So, who's to say who has been asked and who has not been asked?

Well, there have been a few posters that have spoken directly to some on the list that said they aren't even going to Tulsa. I guess time will tell.

Some have been predicting this kind of separation for a number of years now. ;)

However, I believe that whatever happens and whatever develops will not have the strength of the original merger and what developed from that; namely, the UPCI.

It will be interesting to see what happens. What is built on the Rock will stand. What is built on 'sand' will be less than secure or stable for sure.

There are divine moves of God that fit into His overall will and purpose. I totally and fully believe in the sovereignty of God. Nothing happens except by and according to His design and plan that was set in motion before time began.

So it could be that this new Tulsa thing could be part of God's plan to achieve some end or purpose that you and I aren't fully aware of at this point. OR ... it might could be the will and plan of a group of men motivated by less than pure motive and unction of the Holy Ghost.

Here is old style Pentecost

Bumping this.

Now, Sis, THIS is the insight that is needed here in this thread. Exactly, this fellowship could be a tool to be used by God for some purpose. The UPCI has gone through several phases since its inception and is not exactly what it was when it was formed.

Is the opposite possible? Possibly but there has been plenty of conjecture that this is the case and so the point you mentioned above should get more press. Sadly, here, I don't think it will.

Right, Matt.

A lot has been said in the 49 elders thread that this is a fluid list. WELL OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE FLUID! The first public introductory meeting hasn't even taken place.

More people here should study up on business and organizational formation.

I can understand that, but the site wasn't opened by mistake, so they had time to say, hey should we not post the list until we heard from everyone?

The point regarding names of ministers on the list that have not been asked or verified-has been made by other posters on another thread.

This information was already brought up, this is not new information that has not already been discussed.

Perhaps you were unaware that it's already been talked about on other threads.

Personally I would like to believe that these men were more organized than to publish a website filled with miss information, but who knows right?

Perhaps it was a tentative listing of names? If it wasn't a tentative list I can't imagine putting these names in print if they hadn't been confirmed/affirmed.

Sounds like it was a wish list, but it shouldn't have been posted on the website without confirming. It sounds like a few ministers are a bit upset.

Soooo, a point should not be made or repeated if a thread is a whole 3 1/2 hours old?

Okay.

Uh?

According to Jeanie, these points have already been discussed and is not new information. Shame on you all. We need new discussion material

Some of the founders of the Tulsa Triumph need to learn about business and organizational formation. Specifically - don't put information on the internet unless you are ready to have it spread and you have confirmed the names.
The list may be fluid but anybody with two clues to rub together should know better than to post them on a website accessible to the public.
IMHO they are trying to use men's names and reputations to bring others on board.

I have been plumbing all evening and that uh environment...has rubbed off a little on my attitude. Sorry.

pull your pants up and straighten up this instant

Hey Jim - I resemble that early style.

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