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seguidordejesus 12-21-2007 12:01 PM

Warring tongues??
 
I knew a couple once that, when they spoke in tongues, spoke in what sounded like a Chinese-type language...

They were members of a church where an oft-discussed evangelist pastored.

This evangelist/pastor said that they were speaking in a warring tongue (I guess as opposed to just glorifying God??)

Anyone ever heard of this? I don't see anything in the Bible like that, except maybe intercession.

berkeley 12-21-2007 12:02 PM

Stoneking told them that they were speaking in a warring tongue?

seguidordejesus 12-21-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 334081)
Stoneking told them that they were speaking in a warring tongue?

Has Stoneking ever pastored?

berkeley 12-21-2007 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 334082)
Has Stoneking ever pastored?

Yes, he has.

Ronzo 12-21-2007 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 334079)
This evangelist/pastor said that they were speaking in a warring tongue

Yeah... ok....

Trouvere 12-21-2007 12:08 PM

is this on the same level as the phrase....thems fighting words?

seguidordejesus 12-21-2007 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 334100)
is this on the same level as the phrase....thems fighting words?

LOL

Esther 12-21-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 334079)
I knew a couple once that, when they spoke in tongues, spoke in what sounded like a Chinese-type language...

They were members of a church where an oft-discussed evangelist pastored.

This evangelist/pastor said that they were speaking in a warring tongue (I guess as opposed to just glorifying God??)

Anyone ever heard of this? I don't see anything in the Bible like that, except maybe intercession.

I believe you can "war" if you will, in any tongue. I don't know that there is a "tongue" designated only for warring.

seguidordejesus 12-21-2007 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 334114)
I believe you can "war" if you will, in any tongue. I don't know that there is a "tongue" designated only for warring.

Maybe Heaven will be segregated??

BoredOutOfMyMind 12-21-2007 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 334079)
I knew a couple once that, when they spoke in tongues, spoke in what sounded like a Chinese-type language...

They were members of a church where an oft-discussed evangelist pastored.

This evangelist/pastor said that they were speaking in a warring tongue (I guess as opposed to just glorifying God??)

Anyone ever heard of this? I don't see anything in the Bible like that, except maybe intercession.

I worked with a Chinese man for over a year in Sales. They sound like that normally. My co-worker was unsaved.

OneAccord 12-21-2007 01:03 PM

Warring tongue? Never heard of that one.

LaVonne 12-21-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 334231)
Warring tongue? Never heard of that one.

Me neither.

I've heard some pretty interesting tongues, but does it matter what it sounds like if it's the Holy Ghost. I remember Sis. Freeman telling a story of a woman who spoke with tongues...it was a clicking sound. Well, the people in her church did not believe it was tongues and scoffed her. Sis. Freeman came to this church and recognized the tongues this woman spake was an African language of an extremely small group of people that the Freeman's once came across in their travels.

seguidordejesus 12-21-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CareyM (Post 334260)
Me neither.

I've heard some pretty interesting tongues, but does it matter what it sounds like if it's the Holy Ghost. I remember Sis. Freeman telling a story of a woman who spoke with tongues...it was a clicking sound. Well, the people in her church did not believe it was tongues and scoffed her. Sis. Freeman came to this church and recognized the tongues this woman spake was an African language of an extremely small group of people that the Freeman's once came across in their travels.

Yes, it's indeed true that many "tribal" languages, particularly in the southern part of the African continent, use clicks in their language.

OneAccord 12-21-2007 01:40 PM

One of the most amazing things I ever saw was a man who spoke in tongues... with his hands.

Back in the early 70's, when the church I was attending first opened, we had a deaf/mute woman who attended. No one in the church (at the time) knew sign language, but she never missed a service though she had no idea as to what was being said or done. A man started coming to church and repented and was filled with the Holy Ghost. When he spoke in tongues, he did so with his hands. The woman, seeing this, began to watch him... and began to write down what he was saying. He'd "sign" all the way through service, repeating almost word for word what was being said. The woman began to understand repentance, baptism, etc... and repented of her sins. She later recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke... yes, SPOKE, in tongues, audibly. The most beautiful prayer language I have ever heard.

Oh, yes, the "signing" brother? Never took a sign language course, and had no idea what he was saying or doing. That proved to me without a doubt that tongues is real!

Bro-Larry 12-24-2007 10:53 PM

There are more than 2,796 known languages and dialects in the world. Then there are also the tongues of angels. Not to mention the language of groanings which cannot be uttered with articulate speech.

pelathais 12-25-2007 09:16 AM

There are some Charismatic/Pentecostal groups who talk about praying in a "warring tongue." The idea that they have is that you are to rebuke the devil, bind spirits and etc. by agressively speaking in tongues.

I've heard others who tried to disuade people from doing this based upon 2 Peter 2:11 and Jude 1:9.

Without knowing the context and also all of the things that the pastor/evangelist may be dealing with locally it's only speculation as to what's going on.

Personally I don't think we need to bring railing accusations or to shout ourselves hoarse in battling the adversary. The desire to do so may be symptomatic of other issues or may be caused by people just copying the behavior of others that they see.

Praxeas 12-25-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 336653)
There are some Charismatic/Pentecostal groups who talk about praying in a "warring tongue." The idea that they have is that you are to rebuke the devil, bind spirits and etc. by agressively speaking in tongues.

I've heard others who tried to disuade people from doing this based upon 2 Peter 2:11 and Jude 1:9.

Without knowing the context and also all of the things that the pastor/evangelist may be dealing with locally it's only speculation as to what's going on.

Personally I don't think we need to bring railing accusations or to shout ourselves hoarse in battling the adversary. The desire to do so may be symptomatic of other issues or may be caused by people just copying the behavior of others that they see.

I think this is all absurd and unbiblical. Tongues are not meant for rebuking devils. Paul did it in a langauge he knew. Tongues are supposed to be a language we do NOT know so then I have to wonder how can someone willfully rebuke anything in tongues?

berkeley 12-25-2007 08:49 PM

I was a teen:
I was sleeping peacefully and woke. Looked to the foot of my bed and there was a being. I said something in 'tongues' and fell asleep in an instant.

I didn't scream or anything.. but that's what happened.

Praxeas 12-25-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by big-larry (Post 336573)
There are more than 2,796 known languages and dialects in the world. Then there are also the tongues of angels. Not to mention the language of groanings which cannot be uttered with articulate speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue

Ethnologue: Languages of the World is a web and print publication of SIL International (formerly known as the Summer Institute of Linguistics), a Christian linguistic service organization which studies lesser-known languages primarily to provide the speakers with Bibles in their native language.

The Ethnologue contains statistics for 6,912 languages in the 15th edition, released in 2005 (up from 6,809 in the 14th edition, released 2000) and gives the number of speakers, location, dialects, linguistic affiliations, availability of the Bible, and so forth. It is currently the most comprehensive existing language inventory, along with the Linguasphere Register. However, some information regarding more esoteric languages is quite dated.
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I take it this does not include dead and extinct languages

Praxeas 12-25-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 336841)
I was a teen:
I was sleeping peacefully and woke. Looked to the foot of my bed and there was a being. I said something in 'tongues' and fell asleep in an instant.

I didn't scream or anything.. but that's what happened.

Did you wake up with a micro implant in the back of your neck?

Keep looking....
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...es-Posters.jpg


:santaelf

berkeley 12-25-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 336845)
Did you wake up with a micro implant in the back of your neck?

Keep looking....
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...es-Posters.jpg


:santaelf

whatever dude

Praxeas 12-25-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 336847)
whatever dude

:christmasjig



Do you invest through Ameritrade?

berkeley 12-25-2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 336849)
:christmasjig



Do you invest through Ameritrade?

No, I just think it's a kickin commercial!

Praxeas 12-25-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 336852)
No, I just think it's a kickin commercial!

can the commercial be seen there?

berkeley 12-25-2007 09:15 PM

nopers

seguidordejesus 12-25-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 336844)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue

Ethnologue: Languages of the World is a web and print publication of SIL International (formerly known as the Summer Institute of Linguistics), a Christian linguistic service organization which studies lesser-known languages primarily to provide the speakers with Bibles in their native language.

The Ethnologue contains statistics for 6,912 languages in the 15th edition, released in 2005 (up from 6,809 in the 14th edition, released 2000) and gives the number of speakers, location, dialects, linguistic affiliations, availability of the Bible, and so forth. It is currently the most comprehensive existing language inventory, along with the Linguasphere Register. However, some information regarding more esoteric languages is quite dated.
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I take it this does not include dead and extinct languages

I'd discuss this with you further, but it would get drawn into 25 pages of nitpicking grammar.

Praxeas 12-26-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus (Post 336932)
I'd discuss this with you further, but it would get drawn into 25 pages of nitpicking grammar.

Only because after 25 pages you still could not just let it go. No worries...I'd probably just ignore you anyways

ChTatum 12-26-2007 12:31 AM

Warring tongues?


In my learned opinion, I think it sounds like a bunch of hooey.

Praxeas 12-26-2007 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 336980)
Warring tongues?


In my learned opinion, I think it sounds like a bunch of hooey.

I concur! Hooey! :santathumb

pelathais 12-26-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 336983)
I concur! Hooey! :santathumb

Unless there's someone getting on the evangelist's nerves by the way that they are "speaking in tongues." Then the evangelist must find some way to "nicely" get the person (or people) to stop without causing hurt. So you just pull something out of your bag of tricks and hope that the person will be confounded long enough for you to minister to others.

Maybe that's just my cynical outlook, but there's enough wackiness in Christendom that you'll never get anything accomplished if you have to stop and straighten out every little sideshow.

Praxeas 12-26-2007 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 337060)
Unless there's someone getting on the evangelist's nerves by the way that they are "speaking in tongues." Then the evangelist must find some way to "nicely" get the person (or people) to stop without causing hurt. So you just pull something out of your bag of tricks and hope that the person will be confounded long enough for you to minister to others.

Maybe that's just my cynical outlook, but there's enough wackiness in Christendom that you'll never get anything accomplished if you have to stop and straighten out every little sideshow.

We had an evangelist come once to our church. He asked me about another brother if he had the Holy Ghost. I said "Well I think so, but I am not sure because I often hear him praying with others by going "dadadada" say it say it "dadadada" say it, just let it out" and I indicated he might have learned how to speak in tongues at another church. (I think he came here from a Trinitarian Pentecostal org)

To my amazement, disgust and total disappointment, the evangelist said "well it doesn't matter as long as they get it".....I walked away with suspicion of all evangelists that come through after that.

RandyWayne 12-26-2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 337119)
We had an evangelist come once to our church. He asked me about another brother if he had the Holy Ghost. I said "Well I think so, but I am not sure because I often hear him praying with others by going "dadadada" say it say it "dadadada" say it, just let it out" and I indicated he might have learned how to speak in tongues at another church. (I think he came here from a Trinitarian Pentecostal org)

To my amazement, disgust and total disappointment, the evangelist said "well it doesn't matter as long as they get it".....I walked away with suspicion of all evangelists that come through after that.

What about all the instances where someone has their head shaken so much that their words come our garbled only to have it loudly proclaimed that they "Got it! Glory!"?

Praxeas 12-26-2007 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 337132)
What about all the instances where someone has their head shaken so much that their words come our garbled only to have it loudly proclaimed that they "Got it! Glory!"?

I cringe when that happens. I am sure I have witnessed many premature "fillings" and non-fillings where the church went nuts because someone started declaring "She got it!" and I watch that person leave and never come back...... I keep hearing "If they knew what you and I know, they'd all be here"...so what happened to that person supposedly being filled with the HG? When I got it it was so real it was undeniable. I felt higher than a kite.


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