T.L. Craft
 

I happened to have first hand information from my sources within the Craft camp that Brother Craft IS NOT going to Tulsa and is not speaking. and he is not leaving the UPC. Does anyone have thoughts on why his name is on the Tulsa website??? I find this VERY interesting.

Also, my sources within the Odom family were saying how that Floyd is pretty much on go to split from the UPC. This was the talk yesterday at their Christmas family gathering.... ****edited after apology****!

I think your opinion would have been best left unsaid.

Thanks for your opinion!!

We've all got one!

Bro, I think this forum is for a discussion of ideas and events, not personalities.

The first part of your post was informative, which is good! :thumbsup

Your last two words were personal, which is bad! :thumbsdown

I just so happen to agree! :thumbsup

I also have "sources" close to the "Craft camp". I cannot go into details but in essense I have been told that TLC's first moves toward Tulsa were caused by a group of very conservative men who he is close to and mentored who roped him in right after the vote at conference. They convinced him that leaving the UPC and being a leader in the Tulsa group was the right thing to do.

I have been told that in the interim other men he respects who are taking a much more measured response to the passing of the TV resolution have been able to reason with him and this has been the cause of his re evaluation of his "rush to judgement", so to speak.

Sounds very reasonable to me.

This would explain it. I am glad he had second thoughts.

This last statement was uncalled for. I would put the integrity and character of Floyd Odom up against anybody - period.

Again, the statement was uncalled for.

I am not a UC but I like Elder Odom and this man has been through alot ,with the death of his daughter, he really is a wonderful preacher.

rash decisions are usually the ones we regret

Again I will state this.... Many of these men will play the wait and see game. If Tulsa is nothing big then they will stay in mother ship....

I appreciate the input but the "GOOD RIDDANCE" is not a good view to take.

When the infamous AS resolution was first being discussed back in 1992, I remember the author of the resolution saying, "There comes a time when every movement needs a good bowel movement!"

At the time I felt that was an unfortunate statement to make. Within just a few short years, of course, even that author of resolutions ... ahem! ... moved along, and left the org.

Despite the disagreements we're still brethren. I think that it just may be the case that when we learn how to separate gracefully, we may have also learned how to stay together graciously.

Another nugget of truth!! :thumbsup

The AS was, I believe, authored by Brothers Westburg, Price, and Gray.

Two of them died still UPC, and Brother Price is still UPC.

Thanks, I mispoke. His church would pull out nearly on the heels of his passing. Either way, there's not much of a commitment for the org being shown. Just IMHO.

My understanding of authorship comes from public statements and a contribution that, though he didn't pen any of the resolution, Brother Price supported it because of a threatened lawsuit from a CA pastor who would not line up. I may have misunderstood Brother Price, but that's the gist of what he said, as I remember it.

In retrospect, I think Brother Price should have simply stood his ground against the threats. Unless of course, if he himself knew there were grounds. That would be the only reason I could imagine for backing down. Or he may have just grown weary.

The statement I quoted earlier is straight from "the horse's mouth." Many others can and have attributed the same words to the same man. It was something that was often repeated with laughter at the time.

I am very careful to speak out against anyone ...time tells a lot of stories...we must speak out against what we deem as sin but not attack people especially those that cannot speak for themselves.
As long as there are people there will be splits and divisions...we deal with it on the mission field, you deal with it in the states...many splits are caused by people that want to be the boss...most people that want to do right don't spend their time in politics...
I saw someone this week and last week petting the peved...birds of a feather fly together...
There will always be both good and bad in any camp WE decide what we want to be...

Please allow me an opportunity to apologize. I made the statement out of emotion and I truly regret making it. I know Brother Odom well and I do have great respect for him. In fact, I have known him my entire life. I guess it's just very hurtful to see this happening and really there is no reason for it to happen, in my opinion. I did not mean the statement and I do sincerely apologize. Please forgive me.

you are wise my friend...a wise man knows how to apologize a fool has that to learn.

Thank you for this GulfCB - if you don't mind, I will edit it from your post.

I'm hearing that both Craft and Odom are going to Tulsa...
one way to find out is to be in TULSA

The message at FPC sunday was about staying on the potters wheel.. TLC wasnt the preacher but I suspect his thoughts are very much aligned with the speaker.

I've heard personally that TLC isnt going anywhere.

He has too much invested to throw it all way overnight over something as nutty as res 4.

I do know he's spent a lot of time in California in recent months...but he's a smart man, he'll have his finger on the pulse of ALL the happenings.


If I hear anymore, that I can share, I will. I'll be in service at FPC this Sunday

Hey anybody from the Gulf-Coast has got to be ok.
FL,MS,AL are all branch kin anyways.
You're alright cousin.

Odom is already in Tulsa. He moved to Tulsa.

So... Louisiana and Texas don't get in the mix, Bro. Scott? Humph! Go figure.:rudolph

When did this happen? I was with him in the Gulf Shores area in August and he did not indicate that he was planning a move from his retirement home in Bon Secour, Alabama.

Where is he going to church?

Why don't you give him a call and invite him to yours? :christmoose

That there was funny! I dont care who you are!

Brother Odom's brother in law and my father are friends...this is the info that he passed to me. If you look on the Tulsa flier, it says Floyd Odom from Tulsa, OK...I believe he still probably has his retirement home. He has owned that for several years even before he retired from Hattiesburg.