Romans 10:9
 

Here's a powerful scripture for ya...


If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)



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Which version is that out of??:hmmm

Isn't it so readable? The NLT

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So we just believe & receive? Blab & grab?

Yes, that is the starting point of our faith walk....seems too easy, doesn't it? Some folks say to themselves, "how could we think that the cross's blood is sufficient to wipe out our sins for those that believe and trust in the Lord."

That is just too easy, huh? Well, to that I say, there was nothing easy about my Savior shedding blood for my sins at Calvary and through my faith in Him he imputes his perfect righteousness (right standing) unto me and credits my account and I am no longer guilty before an Almighty God since he sees the sacrifice of our Mediator - Jesus the Christ!


SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO THE CROSS!!!!

Question Ron...when you read Romans 10:9 do you just willfully ignore what is said there....was Paul better off not mentioning that fact?

What I do is this,

2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


I put no doctrine on one piece of scripture.
If I did that, I would have to throw out scriptures such as this,

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It would also cause me to ignore James,

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Speaks plain to me in just these two instances that we are justified by faith
demonstrated by our actions in obedience to the word.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Obedience is more than lip service to God.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

It's a paraphase Bible. :rudolph:rudolph

Amen, I was thinking the same thing!

The Scripture you referenced from James is not talking about saving faith as Romans 10:9 is. For demons cannot obtain salvation. One of our greatest act of obedience is our faith.

But tell me, Ron, what does Romans 10:9 mean to you? Is what Paul says in plain language mean anything? Show me in context, what Romans 10:9 is saying?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


It says a lot of shall, unto, shalt.
Not you are saved!

I do not question believe & faith, but they are just our start, not are be all & end all.

I will tell you this too-Obeying Acts 2:38 isn't a be all to end all either-unless you drop dead at the Altar or the rapture takes place.
I need to follow after Jesus, be discipled, grow, bear fruit.

Would you not agree?

The gospel of Jesus Christ is that he died for our sins and that on the 3rd day he resurrected and now offers Believers eternal life. See it plainly here:


Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed. (1 Corinthians 15)


Believing in the resurrection of the dead is our hope and nobody except for believing Christians can claim this!

The two of you can marginalize all you want, but your favorite KJV does not say anything differently. :rudolph

They are not marginalizing... they are just believing the witness of all the Scripture.

The Book of Romans was written to saints already born of water and Spirit, and gave them instruction in living an overcoming life.

It was not written to sinners needing instructions on how to be saved.

A born again person must confess and believe in order to maintain their walk of faith.

The Book was addressed to "the saints at Rome."

It is a federal offense to read somebody else's mail. :)

You can find example of what the Apostles preached to sinners in the Book of Acts.

Abraham did some believing in that passage, not just the devil; and he did have to receive justification.

No soap ,J.

Bro, you have to give me more than that...what is this whole bit about shall, unto and shalt. Shall means: will happen in the future

When we start discussing shalls, upon and shalts, it appears to indicate that many get stuck in their King James version and lose all its meaning because they are reading from a language that is not in line with their vernacular.

As for believing being our starting point that is exactly what I said in my 2nd response to you...I said it's the beginning of our faith walk and I never implied that it is be all end all...it's our launching pad into the promises of God. Faith is our greatest act of obedience.


Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. (Romans 3:31)


And yes I would agree with you on your last points.

Of course they are marginalizing when they ask questions like "what version is that?" and comments like "paraphrase bible"....it's self-evident.

Was Abraham justified when he believed, or when he was circumcised? The scriptures declare that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. So, we now take scriptures which speak of salvation and delegate them to salvation after salvation? Wow! That is just...strange to me.

These are the words of the prophet Joel and Peter ... and others also ... there is witness in Scripture .... and calling upon the name has alway fell upon the believer as it relates to salvation ... not the utterances of third party ... i.e. baptizer.

The name is undoubtedly attached to the person and His authority and whole nature.

A sinner who has sincerely believed and calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved ....

John says

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And his commandment is this: we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another just as he commanded us
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I write these things to you so that you may know that you have eternal life, you who believe in the name of the Son of God.

As does Joel:

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32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

As does the Psalmist:

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• Psalm 116:4, "Then called I upon the name of the LORD [YHWH] ; O LORD [YHWH], I beseech thee, deliver my soul."

As does Paul:

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13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

As does Ananias, in Acts:

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"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

As does Peter, in the book of Acts:

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21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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They are relevant questions.

No serious scholar or theologian gives as much credence to a paraphrase Bible.

You know that very well.

It is amazing the lengths some will go to in an attempt to short-change people and give them less than what God intended.

And with that, dear hearts, I bid you adieu for now.

Got service tonight.

More anti-Acts 2:38 rhetoric from the ex-Apostolic ranks.

Yawn.

CS, good to see you.
Just stepped out of the shower and am dressed & headed to afternoon service.

That's a great word J-Roc, the Word of God is like seed it is planted and produces birth and life then proceeds forward.

Instead of arguing about when life begins (at concept or at birth) we should celebrate life. Methinks anyways.

Yes, TO THE CROSS.

Bro. Price,

You confusing the new birth with an overcoming life... it is NOT salvation after salvation. It is a new birth, born of obedient faith, and then a continuing overcoming life, also accomplished through obedient faith.

It is just as simple as you always believed it until coming in contact with yet another new and exciting doctrinal view that persuaded you to follow yet another man or group of men.

Yeah, I've heard that excuse before as it attempts to suggest that the gospel message is not found in Romans or other epistles... evidently this school of thought was made popular at ABI under the tutelage of Norris....and now so many resort to this distorted idea....in doing so, they basically dismiss the epistles as a place to find the gospel message and stick only to Chap 2 of Acts.


The theme of Romans, however, is not about living an overcoming life. The main theme of the letter is the salvation offered through the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1:16-17). Paul argues that all humanity is guilty and accountable to God for sin and that it is only through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that humanity can attain salvation. Therefore, God is both just and the one who justifies. In response to God's free, sovereign and graceful action of salvation, humanity can be justified by faith. Paul uses the example of Abraham to demonstrate that it is by faith, not works, that mankind can be seen as righteous before God.

Greetings Pastor Carroll,

Who are these ex-Apostolics ... spewing anti-Acts 2:38 rhetoric ... ???

Clearly anyone who rejects the whole counsel of the Word ... is foolish.

Categorize to marginalize ... still in effect, apparently.

As for me and my house ... we're Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, John 5:20, 1 Kings 6:18, Genesis 17:8,

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That is fine, then take your NLT, NIV, NASB, NKJV and read it along side your KJV....but I've witnessed too many people not understanding scripture simply because the depended solely on King James vernacular. But to attempt to discredit the scriptures by pointing out what version it is coming from is silly...simply go to your favorite version and read it, but dont attempt to make less of the scriptures is my point.

Amazingly the "epistles are not for sinners argument "would not be mentioned if we were discussing the doctrine of baptismal regeneration and how it relates to Paul's writings in Romans 6 ... it's an argument of convenience and inconsistency. My PAJC brethren have pet verses in the epistles to support their view as salvation seems to be only clearly defined in their favorite book ... also written to a saint.

No, Bro. Jones, you are so very incorrect about why I changed views. As I have said numerous times before, seeing my father's change and his softened heart, that is what caused me to change my views. I know I am no longer considered Apostolic, and that is fine by me. But, this is not about a man or group of men. This has become, for me, Jesus Christ, His grace and mercy, His truth and righteousness, and His love poured out.

I love and respect you, brother, but no one, and I repeat, no one caused this change. Watching the hand of God is what caused the change. Man had nothing to do with this. I saw what I saw, and know what I know.

As I said, brother, blessings and love to you. :D

Hello, Raven my friend!

In the first Chapter of Romans, Paul first mentions the gospel and how it is for the Jews and Gentiles. The entire book is about the gospel....the Jews were the key audience in the entire book of Romans. The letter to the Romans was a letter Paul wrote them before ever visiting them and he was outlining the gospel to them before his visit to them.

It is important to understand also that the Roman church was not solely gentiles. There was a mixture of Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians. This fact is seen where there was conflict between jewish and gentile believers as demonstrated in Chapter 14 where Paul addresses the conflict of eating meat versus vegetables, or considering certain days more holy than others while the gentiles viewed each day alike. While the Roman church was presumably founded by Jewish Christians, the exile of Jews from Rome in AD 49 by Claudius resulted in Gentile Christians taking leadership positions.

In Romans Paul breaks down the fact that everything the Jews follow is fulfilled by the new order of things...that is, the gospel of Jesus and how everything culminates with the fact that it all starts and finishes with Jesus and his blood shed sacrifice for us. Everything points to him and the cross where he bore our sins. Below is a series of scriptures which show that Paul was addressing the Jewish Christians in Rome:

Romans 1:16-17

So I am eager to come to you in Rome, too, to preach the Good News.

For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile. This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”

So he starts off letting us know that the gospel is for the Jews just as much as it for the Gentile. In verse 17 he lets us know that the gospel shows us how to get in right standing with God (right standing = saved condition).

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In the scripture below he continues showing the fact that the gospel is just as necessary for the Jew to accept as it is for the Gentile.

Romans 2:9-11

There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who do good—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

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Please note that Romans 2:17 shows he is speaking to the Jews in Rome, not the Gentiles.

You who call yourselves Jews are relying on God’s law, and you boast about your special relationship with him.


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Romans 2:17-18 - we see Paul addressing the Jews once again

You who call yourselves Jews are relying on God’s law, and you boast about your special relationship with him. You know what he wants; you know what is right because you have been taught his law.

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Romans 2:28-29 - Here we see Paul defining what a true Jew really is...not one by lineage, rather one who has turned his heart toward God.

For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit.

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Romans 3 - We see Paul still harping on the Jews

Then what’s the advantage of being a Jew? Is there any value in the ceremony of circumcision? Yes, there are great benefits! First of all, the Jews were entrusted with the whole revelation of God....Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin.

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Romans 4 - Now we go on to ch 4, and is Paul done talking about Jews?

Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What did he discover about being made right with God?

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Fast forward to Romans 7, and now he is talking to Jewish Christians (he calls them dear brothers)

Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living?

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Romans 8 - showing Jewish Christians what the law could not do for them.

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.

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Now we get to Chapter 9 - And Paul is pouring out his heart to his fellow Jews

My heart is filled with bitter sorrow and unending grief for my people, my Jewish brothers and sisters. I would be willing to be forever cursed—cut off from Christ!—if that would save them. They are the people of Israel, chosen to be God’s adopted children.

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Romans 10 - Paul talks now about Jews, but not the Christian Jews.

Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected
zeal. For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way, they cling to their own way of getting right with God by trying to keep the law.

And now Paul is about to let make it certain that Jesus is the way!

For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.

And Paul then shares the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST:

But faith’s way of getting right with God says, “Don’t say in your heart, ‘Who will go up to heaven’ (to bring Christ down to earth). And don’t say, ‘Who will go down to the place of the dead’ (to bring Christ back to life again).” In fact, it says,
“The message is very close at hand;
it is on your lips and in your heart.”

And that message is the very message about faith that we preach: If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.


The entire book of Romans was written with the goal to show the differences between the jewish faith and the new faith in Jesus....this entire letter was to contrast the old covenant and the new covenant (the gospel of Jesus).



SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO THE CROSS!!!

Your encounter w/ God ... is just that, Bill ... your encounter.

No one can take that away from you ... especially not opinions or clueless words.

Thank you J-Roc ... for clearing up any confusion we might have had as to the tenor and purpose of the book of Romans ....


That's the book right after, Acts, btw.

With all due respect; to follow up a quotation of Scripture and call it "blab and grab..." strikes me as disrespectful.

That passage talks about a person's heart believing in faith unto salvation. I pray for your heart that you would allow the Holy Ghost to open your understanding to see the possibilities of faith and belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Without "blab" ("confess and believe") and "grab" ("you shall be saved") you simply can never be saved.

Romans 10:9 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


Romans 10:9 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:9 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


Romans 10:9 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation

9that (A)if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and (B)believe in your heart that (C)God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Personally...

I believe that Romans 10:9 is as much Bible as is Acts 2:38. What do you think? Agree or disagree?

Since I have been outed on the forum, as to whom I is, I decided that I might as well show my face. It truly is I.