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SDG 12-31-2007 12:55 AM

*** WOW!!: Alan Keyes, Politico, Preaches in Iowa UPCI church???? ***
 
Keyes preaches religious solutions to national problems

By Steve Gravelle

The Gazette
steve.gravelle@gazettecommunications.com


CEDAR RAPIDS — "You're about to experience a Pentecostal service," Pastor Jeff Schmitz told a visitor at the First Pentecostal Church in northeast Cedar Rapids.

Tonight's regular service at the church included a guest sermon from Alan Keyes, reminding the faithful he's again mounting a long-shot bid for the Republican presidential nomination. And while former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee might be the only ordained minister in the race, politically active Christians have another option in Keyes.

Taking the microphone about an hour into the service, Keyes sang and preached for nearly another hour, casting his candidacy as a revival of "the freedom that comes to us through our surrender to the will of God."

According to Keyes, the issues usually cited by more secular candidates in either party can only be solved spiritually.

He blasted "the myth of separation between church and state," compared the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to "the holocaust of abortion" and said even health care can be solved largely through moral discipline.

"We eat too much and exercise too little," said Keyes. "The key to bringing down our health cost is the very thing we've been talking about — the moral responsibility."

Keyes, a former United Nations ambassador and State Department official in the Reagan administration, also mounted presidential bids in 1996 and 2000. The last of his three unsuccessful Senate bids came in 2004, when Keyes, who lives in Maryland, was drafted by Illinois Republicans to face Democratic presidential Barack Obama after the Republican nominee withdrew due to a sex scandal. Keyes polled 27 percent of the vote in that race.

"The question before the nation today is whether America still believes," he said. "If there is no god, we have no liberty."

Keyes declared himself a candidate in mid-September, when most of his rivals had been campaigning for at least a year. But he said more than a political office is at stake.

"If we can turn this nation back to (Christian belief), we can bring the nation home," he said.

Keyes did not make a specific appeal for support in Thursday's precinct caucuses, but Schmitz urged the congregation to participate.

"You need to get involved in taking back this country," Schmitz said after Keyes' sermon.


http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pb...011/IOWACAUCUS

SDG 12-31-2007 01:05 AM

Schmitz and First Pentecostal are listed in the online UPCI directory ...

http://wec.upci.org/churches/locator/search_church_details.asp?searchnum=22598&city=Ced ar%20Rapids

seguidordejesus 12-31-2007 01:06 AM

what a joke

SDG 12-31-2007 01:09 AM

Does Keyes "have the Holy Ghost"? Is he Oneness???

Thad 12-31-2007 01:31 AM

what religion is Keyes?

SDG 12-31-2007 01:32 AM

Anyone want to touch this one???

Quote:

The last of his three unsuccessful Senate bids came in 2004, when Keyes, who lives in Maryland, was drafted by Illinois Republicans to face Democratic presidential Barack Obama after the Republican nominee withdrew due to a sex scandal.

PastorD 12-31-2007 01:36 AM

It wasn't Keyes who had the scandal....he replaced the one that bailed with scandal. I think.

SDG 12-31-2007 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorD (Post 340979)
It wasn't Keyes who had the scandal....he replaced the one that bailed with scandal. I think.

Thank you.... that makes sense.

SDG 12-31-2007 01:42 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Alan_Keyes.jpg

I guess the most important question is whether or not he shaved before going on the platform and standing behind the pulpit?

PastorD 12-31-2007 01:42 AM

He is an incredible speaker. Very fast on his feet, but too controversial for political arena. He makes people think tho . . .

SDG 12-31-2007 01:48 AM

This is not the first Apostolic church he's spoken at ...

He "preached" at Victory Apostolic Church (PAW) ... in Chicago Illinois .... during his 2004 Senate Bid ...

The following is a transcript of his message ... might give us a taste of what he preached about in Iowa ...

http://archives.alankeyes.com/transcript.php?id=346

SDG 12-31-2007 01:53 AM

He, like Cheney, has a daughter that has come out the closet ....

Thad 12-31-2007 01:54 AM

Most Blacks don't like Keyes - not sure why


most I have talked to can't stand Condi Rice and to mention clarence thomas you might as well have said the name of the anti christ.

again, not sure what the deal is - they tell me that they are all stuck up and think they are white

PastorD 12-31-2007 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 340990)
He, like Cheney, has a daughter that has come out the closet ....

You learned me something. I didn't know that.

J-Roc 12-31-2007 01:56 AM

I am not comfortable with political candidates getting a platform in the church for their agenda.

SDG 12-31-2007 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorD (Post 340992)
You learned me something. I didn't know that.

CBS article, 2005 ....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in673732.shtml

Thad 12-31-2007 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 340990)
He, like Cheney, has a daughter that has come out the closet ....


Yea I did hear about this- didn't go over well I hear

Lou sheldon's son came out as gay too

SDG 12-31-2007 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Roc (Post 340993)
I am not comfortable with political candidates getting a platform in the church for their agenda.

I'm not too comfortable w/ it, either.

SDG 12-31-2007 02:01 AM

What's Schmitz, the host pastor, like? Moderate, Con, Liberal???

PastorD 12-31-2007 02:04 AM

I have a good friend that is politically conservative, but has a chance to allow Hilary to speak in a Sunday service (one of those stump appearances). He is thinking seriously of doing it just for the exposure in his city.

Thoughts?

SDG 12-31-2007 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 340991)
Most Blacks don't like Keyes - not sure why


most I have talked to can't stand Condi Rice and to mention clarence thomas you might as well have said the name of the anti christ.

again, not sure what the deal is - they tell me that they are all stuck up and think they are white

That's because they're Republicans ... it's a double standard the AA community needs to address ... your political affiliation doesn't make you any less ...

SDG 12-31-2007 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorD (Post 341001)
I have a good friend that is politically conservative, but has a chance to allow Hilary to speak in a Sunday service (one of those stump appearances). He is thinking seriously of doing it just for the exposure in his city.

Thoughts?

Sounds like he might be compromising his principles just to get some exposure .... JMO.

Thad 12-31-2007 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorD (Post 341001)
I have a good friend that is politically conservative, but has a chance to allow Hilary to speak in a Sunday service (one of those stump appearances). He is thinking seriously of doing it just for the exposure in his city.

Thoughts?

Rick Warren just had Hillary a few weeks ago in his pulpit.

He is becoming more and more liberal all the time

SDG 12-31-2007 02:38 AM

Just wondering if Pastor Schmitz would admit to Keyes preaching a sermon at his church... I know the standard protocol for this type of thing is to say he just "spoke" to the congregation.

Ironically, after speaking/preaching for an hour ... the journalist describes his message as a sermon in the newspaper article.

** Is Schmitz ... con, mod, or lib?

drummerboy_dave 12-31-2007 05:57 AM

I like Alan Keyes. His voice in the party needs to be heard.

Hoovie 12-31-2007 06:39 AM

Keys is pretty good. I remember him being a Baptist.


UPC in the South have a long standing tradition of having candidates speak.

Michael The Disciple 12-31-2007 09:06 AM

If memory isnt failing me I thought I read some years back he was Cathoilc. If he ever got the Republican nomination he would have my vote.

rgcraig 12-31-2007 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 340991)
Most Blacks don't like Keyes - not sure why


most I have talked to can't stand Condi Rice and to mention clarence thomas you might as well have said the name of the anti christ.

again, not sure what the deal is - they tell me that they are all stuck up and think they are white

There's the reason they don't like them.

I have to shudder though - - just because they are educated, speak well and stand up for what's right (and hit others where it hurts), they think they want to be white.

It's a sad outlook if you ask me.

Apprehended 12-31-2007 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 341089)
There's the reason they don't like them.

I have to shudder though - - just because they are educated, speak well and stand up for what's right (and hit others where it hurts), they think they want to be white.

It's a sad outlook if you ask me.

Unlike every other culture, they have never been taught by the leaders that they respect how to assimilate in general culture. Instead, the vast majority of them listen to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton whose agenda is to divide for the sake of their own purse.

A few black leaders have tried to gain a respectable voice among them to help navigate the blacks into general assimilation, such as Mr. Cosby, but have been largely ballyhooed as an Uncle Tom. Persons such as Sharpton and Jackson have done their own race an enormous discredit from which it will take many decades to recover and possibly never will if blacks continue attributing credit and respect to such voices.

rgcraig 12-31-2007 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprehended (Post 341092)
Unlike every other culture, they have never been taught by the leaders that they respect how to assimilate in general culture. Instead, the vast majority of them listen to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton whose agenda is to divide for the sake of their own purse.

A few black leaders have tried to gain a respectable voice among them to help navigate the blacks into general assimilation, such as Mr. Cosby, but have been largely ballyhooed as an Uncle Tom. Persons such as Sharpton and Jackson have done their own race an enormous discredit from which it will take many decades to recover and possibly never will if blacks continue attributing credit and respect to such voices.

I agree completely!

Sam 12-31-2007 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 340991)
Most Blacks don't like Keyes - not sure why


most I have talked to can't stand Condi Rice and to mention clarence thomas you might as well have said the name of the anti christ.

again, not sure what the deal is - they tell me that they are all stuck up and think they are white

Keyes, Rice, and Thomas are conservative.
Liberals like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson condemn them as "oreos" (chocolate on the outside but white on the inside) because they do not espouse the "entitlement" mentality.

freeatlast 12-31-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 341017)
Just wondering if Pastor Schmitz would admit to Keyes preaching a sermon at his church... I know the standard protocol for this type of thing is to say he just "spoke" to the congregation.

Ironically, after speaking/preaching for an hour ... the journalist describes his message as a sermon in the newspaper article.

** Is Schmitz ... con, mod, or lib?

If it's the only Schmitz that I know in Iowa, he would be considered as a conservative by most of us here.

The church he pastors is multicultural. From all I know of him he is a good man in every respect.

SDG 12-31-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 341104)
If it's the only Schmitz that I know in Iowa, he would be considered as a conservative by most of us here.

The church he pastors is multicultural. From all I know of him he is a good man in every respect.

So a con had Alan Keyes preach in his church????

Wow.

freeatlast 12-31-2007 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 341116)
So a con had Alan Keyes preach in his church????

Wow.

Just looked on Iowa website to make sure there was no other Schmitz's

J Scmitz is pretty main stream UPC.

He looks like our own Elder Epley..if Epley'd loose 30 pounds.

I'm in Iowa and have not heard of Keyes being there myself, but then it's not like we have our own Thad reporting the news from the Iowa corn fields.

I hope the church and town of cedar Rapids was richly blessed by the ministry of Bro. Keyes

We had an Iowa state representive host one of Saturday Night Life programs recently.

Our next SNL will be hosted by one of our local TV New Reporters.

Niether of these guest hosts are Pentecostal, but the people that come to our SNL programs at least get to get aquainted with us at our church in a casual setting.

Apprehended 12-31-2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 341100)
Keyes, Rice, and Thomas are conservative.
Liberals like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson condemn them as "oreos" (chocolate on the outside but white on the inside) because they do not espouse the "entitlement" mentality.

I would be in favor of cutting out entitlements except in extreme cases, forcing able bodied men (and women) to get off the couch on the front porch and actually become productive. However, it will never happen. We've turned the keys to the treasury over to them by the power of the ballot. There are no longer leaders worth their salt who can inspire vision prefering to hold on to personal power by pandering to this weakness. Thus, the fiber of our nation is increasingly weakened by this genus of immorality and greed.

philjones 12-31-2007 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprehended (Post 341092)
Unlike every other culture, they have never been taught by the leaders that they respect how to assimilate in general culture. Instead, the vast majority of them listen to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton whose agenda is to divide for the sake of their own purse.

A few black leaders have tried to gain a respectable voice among them to help navigate the blacks into general assimilation, such as Mr. Cosby, but have been largely ballyhooed as an Uncle Tom. Persons such as Sharpton and Jackson have done their own race an enormous discredit from which it will take many decades to recover and possibly never will if blacks continue attributing credit and respect to such voices.

If you want to get the full perspective of what they are taught, you should visit the web site of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Hussein Obama attends. Totally Afro Centric and racist!

rgcraig 12-31-2007 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 341298)
If you want to get the full perspective of what they are taught, you should visit the web site of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Hussein Obama attends. Totally Afro Centric and racist!

I know what you mean. The black mayor here in Memphis keeps things so stirred up, it's pathetic!


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