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acharris 01-01-2008 12:01 AM

The Pentecostals of ........(Arrogance)?
 
Has anyone considered the arrogance of placing on your church sign...
"THE PENTECOSTALS OF TIMBUKTU (OR ANY OTHER CITY)" unless...

You are indeed the only Pentecostals in that city.

You don't want or forsee anyone else ever starting another Pentecostal church in your city.

I really don't mean this to appear mean spirited toward those who already call their churches by this title.

I just wonder how other Pentecostal churches in those cities feel?

I can understand "The Pentecostals of Main Street (or some neighborhood)" but to make the statement that you are indeed "THE PENTECOSTALS OF NEW YORK CITY!" I don't understand it.

PastorD 01-01-2008 12:04 AM

Kinda like "Assemblies of God". Does that imply your are the ONLY assembly for God?

I see what you're saying tho.

acharris 01-01-2008 12:08 AM

PastorD, Have you ever seen a local church sign that said, "THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD PEOPLE OF PHILADELPHIA," or, "THE BAPTISTS OF DALLAS," or "THE METHODISTS OF PHOENIX"?

PastorD 01-01-2008 12:15 AM

Nope, but I don't think I needed to have seen any of those signs to make the point.

Relax . . . I said I was seeing where you were coming from. Remember you have been fighting with Phil not me.

:newyear

acharris 01-01-2008 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorD (Post 342202)
Nope, but I don't think I needed to have seen any of those signs to make the point.

Relax . . . I said I was seeing where you were coming from. Remember you have been fighting with Phil not me.

:newyear


Phil and I have made up.

PastorD 01-01-2008 12:19 AM

aw....cool. It's a new year!

Praxeas 01-01-2008 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acharris (Post 342200)
PastorD, Have you ever seen a local church sign that said, "THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD PEOPLE OF PHILADELPHIA," or, "THE BAPTISTS OF DALLAS," or "THE METHODISTS OF PHOENIX"?

what difference does it make?

The Pentecostals of
The Assemblies of God of
The church of God of

They are all exclusive terms...but I don't think the AOG believes only THEY are the assemblies of God, nor the Church of God..

Would you be happy if they changed their church name to "Some Pentecostals of Pheonix"?

acharris 01-01-2008 12:32 AM

That would be more truthful.

scotty 01-01-2008 06:25 AM

Humble member of

First Pentecostals of Benton
:preach:choir


I kinda see your point, but just don't really see it being a meritable debate.

Barb 01-01-2008 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acharris (Post 342193)
Has anyone considered the arrogance of placing on your church sign...
"THE PENTECOSTALS OF TIMBUKTU (OR ANY OTHER CITY)" unless...

You are indeed the only Pentecostals in that city.

You don't want or forsee anyone else ever starting another Pentecostal church in your city.

I really don't mean this to appear mean spirited toward those who already call their churches by this title.

I just wonder how other Pentecostal churches in those cities feel?

I can understand "The Pentecostals of Main Street (or some neighborhood)" but to make the statement that you are indeed "THE PENTECOSTALS OF NEW YORK CITY!" I don't understand it.

Well, one of my brothers pastors a church in a small town I call "Mayberry, USA." One gas station, their one and only grocery store just closed, a drug store, pizza joint, and a few other things...

The name on their church sign is First Pentecostals of Virden, and since they are the only Pentecostal church in Virden, I guess he is not arrogant, eh?!

More nitpicking, IMHO...oh well...

Cindy 01-01-2008 09:05 AM

Maybe when those churches started they were the only ones at that time. Just like the ones that are named First church.

Steve Epley 01-01-2008 09:09 AM

I saw a sign I liked once "The Church in so and so".

I imagine it caused a fuss I have no idea what they was.

triumphant1 01-01-2008 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 342362)
Maybe when those churches started they were the only ones at that time. Just like the ones that are named First church.

The first church I remember using this was "the Pentecostals of Alexandria"...pastored by Anthony Mangun.

It seemed that it became popular in the Apostolic movement after that...

The church in Alexandria was well established when they started calling themselves by this name...interesting enough is that the "real" name of the curch is First UPC....so "The Pentecostals..." is like thier nickname.

philjones 01-01-2008 10:33 AM

I imagine those bumper stickers from a few years ago really got under some folks skin...

"People of the Name!"

acharris 01-01-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 342568)
I imagine those bumper stickers from a few years ago really got under some folks skin...

"People of the Name!"

Now Phil, I told Pastor D that we had made up.:newyear

Thad 01-01-2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 342373)
The first church I remember using this was "the Pentecostals of Alexandria"...pastored by Anthony Mangun.

It seemed that it became popular in the Apostolic movement after that...

The church in Alexandria was well established when they started calling themselves by this name...interesting enough is that the "real" name of the curch is First UPC....so "The Pentecostals..." is like thier nickname.

I thought it was cool for them. then,like you said,everyone started copying them and for most places,it sounded dorky.

I think Andy is just jealous and mad cuz we are MORE Pentecostal then his group is !!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!:christmo ose

MissBrattified 01-01-2008 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acharris (Post 342193)
Has anyone considered the arrogance of placing on your church sign...
"THE PENTECOSTALS OF TIMBUKTU (OR ANY OTHER CITY)" unless...

You are indeed the only Pentecostals in that city.

You don't want or forsee anyone else ever starting another Pentecostal church in your city.

I really don't mean this to appear mean spirited toward those who already call their churches by this title.

I just wonder how other Pentecostal churches in those cities feel?

I can understand "The Pentecostals of Main Street (or some neighborhood)" but to make the statement that you are indeed "THE PENTECOSTALS OF NEW YORK CITY!" I don't understand it.

*sigh*

If you are threatened or intimidated by a group of Christians claiming to be the Pentecostals of any city, then you need to get a life.

I think the other churches in that particular city should also call themselves the Pentecostals of ________, thereby including themselves with the same group of believers. Oh, but that wouldn't work would it? Since in most cases they want to set themselves apart from other churches. Disunity is the end result and the desired one.

MissBrattified 01-01-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 342628)
I thought it was cool for them. then,like you said,everyone started copying them and for most places,it sounded dorky.

I think Andy is just jealous and made cuz we are MORE Pentecostal then his group is !!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!:christmo ose

I don't think it sounds dorky. I like it much better than names identifying with any organization. Better yet, why not call yourselves: The Christians of ____________.

Thad 01-01-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 342646)
*sigh*

If you are threatened or intimidated by a group of Christians claiming to be the Pentecostals of any city, then you need to get a life.

I think the other churches in that particular city should also call themselves the Pentecostals of ________, thereby including themselves with the same group of believers. Oh, but that wouldn't work would it? Since in most cases they want to set themselves apart from other churches. Disunity is the end result and the desired one.


Andy...... Where art thou ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?:christmoose

acharris 01-01-2008 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 342628)
I thought it was cool for them. then,like you said,everyone started copying them and for most places,it sounded dorky.

I think Andy is just jealous and made cuz we are MORE Pentecostal then his group is !!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!:christmo ose

You are so funny Thad. Remember...we were here first!

Thad 01-01-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 342648)
I don't think it sounds dorky. I like it much better than identifying with any organization. Better yet, why not call yourselves: The Christians of ____________.


I thought POA was original but then Everyone and their mama started trying to be POA. many of the cities' names that are attached with "The Pentecostals of ______" just doesn't have the right ring to it

Thad 01-01-2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acharris (Post 342653)
You are so funny Thad. Remember...we were here first!

PALeeeze we were there too don't you forget it but God said "come out from amongst them" ...... hahahahahahahaaaaaaaheeeeeeee!!

acharris 01-01-2008 11:24 AM

You are so right. Mama's just waiting on her childen's to come home.

Sister Alvear 01-01-2008 12:02 PM

We have some churches in a city and another group has churches they painted bigs signs saying the true Apostolics truely Penecostal...or something like that...lol...
How could any one group think so cultish?

I don´t pay attention to stuff like that...when I get to the point I have to brainwash my people and puts signs like that on my churches telling people we are the only ones then please come get me and put me in the rest home.

Thad 01-01-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 342767)
We have some churches in a city and another group has churches they painted bigs signs saying the true Apostolics truely Penecostal...or something like that...lol...
How could any one group think so cultish?

I donīt pay attention to stuff like that...when I get to the point I have to brainwash my people and puts signs like that on my churches telling people we are the only ones then please come get me and put me in the rest home.

Sis Alvear, acharris is referring to the Assembly of God.

Mrs. LPW 01-01-2008 12:42 PM

acharris, out of curiosity what is the name of your church?
And are you UPC, or with any specific denom?

Thad 01-01-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 342859)
acharris, out of curiosity what is the name of your church?
And are you UPC, or with any specific denom?


He's an Assembly of God Pastor LW( are you related to Lanny Wolfe BTW??? :jolly:jolly:jolly)

retsambeW 01-01-2008 01:14 PM

Sigh. This tired old topic, again? :)

retsambeW 01-01-2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acharris (Post 342680)
You are so right. Mama's just waiting on her childen's to come home.

When the temp. is 32 degrees farenheit in downtown hades. :D

Tina 01-01-2008 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsambeW (Post 342905)
Sigh. This tired old topic, again? :)

Start a new topic then.... :D

Sister Alvear 01-01-2008 01:33 PM

No church and no person should think they are better than the other person. Our lesson Sunday was on humility...not long ago I told a person they were going to have to be humble to work for God...the reply I got then they had rather not be a worker.

No matter what we deem ourselves to be the book still reads the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

I do not know who is Assembly of God and who is Jesus name. I am a Jesus Name missionary but it was not the jesus name folks that were the first missionaries to Brazil it was the Assembly of God...

I have spoke at several of their ladies meetings and churches. In fact my daughter in law (one of them) her father is a well known Assembly of God preacher in his state.

I feel that I am blessed with a little more truth than him but his first wife left this world in a bus wreck coming home from a convention in the mountains..the bus turned over and she was pinned under the wheel of the bus and left this world taking in tongues...and she NEVER heard of baptism in Jesus name. I ask you, Whose sin was this?

And never think I do not value what I feel as truth but let us all be careful how we talk to each other.

I have given my whole life telling others about the Mighty God in Christ. I am very humbled to think that He that requires blood would think of us and robe Himself in flesh and become God among us.

Thad, thanks for telling me who I am talking too...sometimes I am in the dark...(most of the time) ha...

retsambeW 01-01-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tina (Post 342928)
Start a new topic then.... :D

Thank you, Tina, I would but....

I doubt many would like some of the topics, so I read a lot. :D

Mrs. LPW 01-01-2008 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thad (Post 342866)
He's an Assembly of God Pastor LW( are you related to Lanny Wolfe BTW??? :jolly:jolly:jolly)

Yes yes, he's my identical twin!

TRFrance 01-01-2008 02:18 PM

On a related note... think of how many churches are named "First Baptist Church".

(I know its not quite the same thing but still...)

Thad 01-01-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 343024)
On a related note... think of how many churches are named "First Baptist Church".

(I know its not quite the same thing but still...)

Great point! not to mention FRST AoG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sister Alvear 01-01-2008 02:25 PM

you guys are something else...love you folks

StillStanding 01-01-2008 02:29 PM

Isn't this like "The Ohio State University" or any other state university. Are they trying to claim that there are no other universities in their state?

acharris 01-01-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 343024)
On a related note... think of how many churches are named "First Baptist Church".

(I know its not quite the same thing but still...)

You're right...it's not the same thing.

"THE BAPTISTS OF DALLAS" would be the same thing.

acharris 01-01-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 342931)
No church and no person should think they are better than the other person. Our lesson Sunday was on humility...not long ago I told a person they were going to have to be humble to work for God...the reply I got then they had rather not be a worker.

No matter what we deem ourselves to be the book still reads the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

I do not know who is Assembly of God and who is Jesus name. I am a Jesus Name missionary but it was not the jesus name folks that were the first missionaries to Brazil it was the Assembly of God...

I have spoke at several of their ladies meetings and churches. In fact my daughter in law (one of them) her father is a well known Assembly of God preacher in his state.

I feel that I am blessed with a little more truth than him but his first wife left this world in a bus wreck coming home from a convention in the mountains..the bus turned over and she was pinned under the wheel of the bus and left this world taking in tongues...and she NEVER heard of baptism in Jesus name. I ask you, Whose sin was this?

And never think I do not value what I feel as truth but let us all be careful how we talk to each other.

I have given my whole life telling others about the Mighty God in Christ. I am very humbled to think that He that requires blood would think of us and robe Himself in flesh and become God among us.

Thad, thanks for telling me who I am talking too...sometimes I am in the dark...(most of the time) ha...

Thank you Sister for your kind words. I love the Jesus' name people, too. On the mission field we work together don't we? America truly is becoming the greatest mission field.

chaotic_resolve 01-01-2008 02:34 PM

Dumb . . .

Seriously. *grin* If this bothers people, they need something to do.

Naming a church "The Pentecostals of _______" is nowhere near the same as "The ONLY Pentecostals of _______," which is what's being implied in regards to feelings of arrogance.

It's not arrogant. They're not saying they're the ONLY Pentecostals of that city. They're simply identifying themselves as Pentecostals in that city.

JMO


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