Agenda Driven or Accepting of Diversity?
 

I have a wide tolerance for less conservative friends. If by some conversation or prayer they may see what I see and an avenue for conversation and bible study is wide open.

Obviously libs are more agenda driven lol. Conservatives tend to live like they believe and you can take it or leave it. Smoooth talking tends to come from less forthright people who have an agenda, con or lib.

I have friends who are Baptist. We just try not to discuss doctrine cuz we start yelling and talking over each other lol
So, i can be friends and believe a different doctrine.

I think the Cons are more aggressive by nature. libs usually have more laid back personalities. cons are black and white

If they are in the body of Christ, who am I to not call them brother or sister?

I would have said cons at one time (especially regarding 'holiness standards') until Daniel Alicea. :stirpot

I have friends who believe in doctrines that I feel are false and will cause their hides to be thrown in a devil's hell, but we talk and hang out with each other. We also have dinner together and argue with each other and still have respect for one another. We all have to draw a line when it comes to the pulpit and I have no hard feelings for those who would not preach me because what I believe concerning Eschatology. I cannot allow anyone to get behind the pulpit if they don't hold to water baptism in Jesus name only, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues as a MUST HAVE.

I don't play when it comes to receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of tongues and Jesus name baptism. I don't go for the compromise of baptizing in the titles father, son, and spirit, and saying the name of Jesus Christ after you spoke each of the titles. That is weak as the water in which the person is dunked in.

I believe in holiness or hell, and that's the way it is, so sue me.

Everyone can still have pizza together and have good discussions, we might no be able to preach each other, but hey, that doesn't make us not able to sit down and shoot the breeze.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Poor Dan... even if it's the truth that's got to sting!

:ouch

just take their different preaching styles for instance -listen to a con preach then listen to a lib.the lib walks around with one hand in the pocket and sort of preaches like he's at a fireside chat. the cons hit it hard and aggressive, spitting, shouting, walking the pews lol
I think we make fun of each other equally

Amen, If they don't have it right in the Water Way, then there is a big issue that must be dealt with.

Well, I wouldn't say lib's are trying to put brother's and sister's in hell who don't believe as they do like some cons do to libs who don't dress the part, but some libs make you wonder if they are truly apostolic or what apostolic stands for.

No Hispanics?:happydance

:search

What about Italians?

Every man, or side, is right in his own eyes.

I am probably never mistaken for a 'con', but I don't know any 'lib' that walks around preaching with hand in pocket and without passion or fire (my words as interpreted)

:search

talkin' 'bout the Xupc crowd "D"

just as CC :happydance

Just keeping my eye on you . . .

:highfive

Our knowing what each other thinks has never been the problem, IMO. It is repecting what each other thinks that gets us in trouble.

Or repeating what each other thinks that the other one thinks that gets us in trouble

I think that your question is almost to much to try to answer here. But I was asking the Lord the other day and said "Lord who is my brother"?

Read these....

(Jude)12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(Jude13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
(Jude14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(Jude 15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(Jude16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

(I Co 5:9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(I Co 5:10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
(I Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So my question is - where do you (or I) draw the line?

S'fast,

CC has made it clear that he does not like Pentecostal style preaching.
Keith doesn't either. they wouldn't like your preacher Bruh

My bump so you will see this.

I think that your question is almost to much to try to answer here. But I was asking the Lord the other day and said "Lord who is my brother"?

Read these....

(Jude)12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(Jude13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
(Jude14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(Jude 15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(Jude16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

(I Co 5:9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(I Co 5:10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
(I Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So my question is - where do you (or I) draw the line?

I don't really think that most of either are agenda driven, I just think both sides take exception to being told they are wrong for having their beliefs...

That is like saying you are wrong for the way you feel... You can be wrong in what you do but not really in the way you feel..

I know some make fun of what the uc's believe, and some uc's attack what the so called libs believe..

Both sides should just understand they are not going to change each other and leave it alone... And thats what friends do that are at opposite ends of the spectrum..

No G! I will pray you thru if it's the last thing I do. :scripture

quit attacking me you ultra con... see thats just what I am talking about... no wonder you and I can't be friends... Is your other screen name WH????

You caught me!

I would sound weird if we weren't talking about apostolics... Sorry to say..

St. Mark,

Although there may be a correlation there is no validity to your statement. Liberals, like Conservatives & Moderates, come in all different personality types.

I agree with Steadfast about some things. I do not respect the liberals who use the analogy that they have been delivered from legalism and promote the harrassing of those more conservative for their stand in holiness dress or their dogmaticism on the New Birth experience.

Pianoman knows of two churches in one city in which one has been consistently conservative and the other has had a dramatic change to the liberal side. My only issue with this conservative gone liberal church is that those who uphold a more conservative dress are often left out or teased about their continued adherence to the letter of the law.

One cannot be too holy, but one can be too arrogant and proud. Take the scribes & Pharisees for instance. I'd take the side of the publican and sinner any day and confess that I am a woman who is a sinner and I thank God for his mercy and grace. The one who prays and thanks God he isn't like myself [sinner] is the person I least want to be like.

Blessings,
Rhoni

Thought provoking.

My criteria for friendship has more to do with character than with doctrine. I have no problem with people who are quite different in belief as long as they are true "christians" in their ethics and conduct.

The other issue that is important for me is mutual respect. I will not enter into any relationship that demands that I hide or compromise my understanding of God and truth.

After giving it some thought, I would answer, "neither" to the second question. I have found that some people are agenda driven without respect to whether they are liberal or conservative, and an agenda driven conservative who sees the light will become an agenda driven liberal.

This is an excellent thread. Thank you Steadfast.

I have friends across the spectrum that I enjoy visiting with. Aggression is in the aggressor con or lib. Now who I preach is a different story I am very particular who I allow in the pulpit of the church I pastor. I do NOT target a lib when they come in the door however if I felt to preach on a subject that they would not agree with I do not censure myself. I have no desire to win the smart aleck of the year award thus being ugly has no virtue in it. However I am unwavering in my stands but I hope in charity.

Steadfast, I'm glad you brought this up, even though it could have easily turned into an ugly shout-fest. I think, having been on both sides of the fence at some point in my life, that both sides are misunderstood. When I was very young, and had just gotten the Holy Ghost, I tended to pick up EVERYTHING that anyone preached, no matter how far out and take it upon myself as a new "standard". I thought all men of God were really men of God and trusted them explicitly. I nearly drove my family and myself crazy! I would not even walk in a room where a TV was playing, and we had five in our house!

After having worked through all that and learning to understand the Word for myself, I now have deep convictions that are from God alone and I will not change them for anyone. Now to you, I may seem like a liberal, but to most of our friends, I am a die-hard conservative. So the titles are confusing once you get outside of the OP realm.

It saddens me that I can call you brother, but you probably would not call me sister. It saddens me that my real brother, who is one of the best speakers in the world, probably could never preach in our church. (I don't blame him for that; it's just the law of the land). It saddens me that all of us cannot fellowship over the 90% that we do agree on and forget the 10% that we disagree on. It saddens me that some people on here obviously do not think that I'm saved when I know the relationship I have with Jesus.

It is discouraging to post threads on here about people getting the Holy Ghost or getting healed and only a certain few people will respond, because the more conservative ones wouldn't want to acknowledge that it could actually happen or be the real thing. Just being honest here.....

That's why I love Sis. Alvear. She can absolutely see Jesus in everyone. She has come to visit me and we are as far apart in beliefs as anyone on here, but we love each other dearly. To me, she reaches out to every end of the spectrum and knows that God is working in all of us.

Hope this doesn't sound like "woe is me". I do love and appreciate everyone on here and highly respect your beliefs. I hope that I can prove myself to you as well.