* Critical News UPDATE on Tulsa*
 

A household name in the UPC was invited to come and speak at a Tulsa committee meeting about missions. They tried to recruit him the whole time he was there. Trying to get him in pics with them (which he refused).

Additional updates on the new organization:
- They are starting a full-fledged ORGANIZATION!

-They have leased a Church of Christ building that has a sanctuary seating 2500 and many offices.

-This will serve their as headquarters.

-They are presently hiring staff.

-Floyd Odom has moved there to serve as full-time administrator.

-they have $50,000 in the bank after all bills paid so far. This just from people sending money in to help with start up costs.

Assuming this is true...I find it odd that many of these men can disfellowship with an Org and other churches and Pastors over the TV issue yet enter into a business contract like this with a COC to lease their building

here we go I heard the same thing from very reputable sources

All of this buying and or leasing is pretty assuming you think? They all might find out what assume really means..

I'm not sure, but this could cause a stir in Alex, La the next couple days.

And what does "Alex.La" have to do with this update ?

Because of The Times is this week in Alexandria. I have heard the same thing as Secret Warrior about Tulsa. Location wise and building wise.

A household name in the UPC was invited to come and speak at a Tulsa committee meetinabout missions. They tried to recruit him the whole time he was there. Trying to get him in pics with them (which he refused).


- What was he doing there to start with as I can see it wasn't to promote Jesus thru missions it was more to see and tell- especially going and then repeating this. I am sure their hearts were broken he wouldn't get in pic's with them- I would be surprised if he didn't cash their honorarium or should I say I am sure he cashed the honorarium without hesitation!

Why go?

If someone is missions minded, they will go anywhere to anyone and promote the cause... Perhaps the ones who invited him had an extra agenda that he didn't go along with... This group has been using names without permission, I am sure they would use pictures without permission as well... For this guy to make sure he stayed out of them was a smart move..

Just because a lot of people on here didn't know this information before it was posted here doesn't mean it was a secret... So for someone to repeat it, whomever it was, is not a problem... I know of a lot of people who knew this info lonf before it was posted...

Do you know he got an honorarium?
Do you know this was secret information?

Do I know any of the last "2" questions is absolutely not any of my business however I do say if you are not of them why go? I do know more than u think or imagine that I know.

Missions- that would be a priority in my knowledge so you wouldn't be telling me anything new? I am sorry to say that it is not the fact you go wherever , whenever for missions-you as well as anyone else involved should and do know better than than!

Not being defensive or trying to be cruel just don't appreciate anyone being a part of something and talking out of the corners of one's mouth

This is sad......."Many" Apostolics would rather split than keep peace with Gods people.

The missons minded will go anywhere that believes the same salvational doctrine to promote it.. If someone is hell-bent on leaving I see no problem is going to help them with something that you a passionate about.. AFter all he was obviously invited and had not committed to join..

And I know who this is and happen to know they don't talk out of the corners of their mouth...

:ouch never realized these folks were so hell-bent on leaving...

They already have some very strong missions minded men among them thus this seems a little??????????????????????????

I really doubt this thread?????

:nod

What part do you doubt?

ALL of it.:drama:drama

Headquarters building and the whole enchilada.

Firstly I am in communications with guys who are part of this group(of which I am not nor going to be) and they have said nothing of this.

Maybe they don't know or maybe they don't feel it's for them to tell if they do.

Doesn't mean it might not be happening.

The Secrecy of Leadership within this group runs deep...they rarely let folks in until they are ready....

This is nothing new....ask folks around them.... you'll get the same info...

Not to fond of the adjective used to describe their leaving (my mother taught me that was cussin' :toofunny) - however, if they weren't determined to leave, why did they start making plans before Res 4 passed? And I'm pretty well convinced that this was a done deal in their minds long before Res 4 passed - that just gave them an out. (And for the record, I'm not convinced that Res 4 is such a great thing. Time will tell.)

There are many on that list that I deeply respect and admire - some of them, I question why they are leaving and wonder how it will affect their fellowship with some of us who don't leave. To me - that is the saddest thing about all of this. It is tearing up families and friendships that had been able to fellowship in the past - despite some difference of opinion regarding some standards.

I'm sensing venom here.

I have heard many of the same things from a visiting minister a couple of weeks ago.

and you stayed??

Elder, will you let us know when you confirm it? :shhh

That's it! I have to have lunch.. You said enchilada and that is all I can think about now? Mi Casita here I come!!!!!!

off topic? I know, but Bro Epley brought it up!:toofunny

Well, thanks to your username I crave chocolate all the time!!!!!

Oh wait, I do that anyway.

Me too

At least I took off the avatars of the chocolate truffles! maybe i'll put them back!!! :)

I sense your sensing is off- I have absolutely no axe to grind or feelings towards anyone or anything.

Child of the king who absolutely detests statements made about brothers/sisters who happen to be doing exactly what they feel they must to please their Maker

What if their assumption is wrong and they are a little too "Proactive" in their haste to get things going. This just seems so presumptious, doing this before the Tulsa Meeting even happens!

:drama

Again call me Doubting Steve.

What if they didn't get a big enough building??

I would say that they probably have a general knowledge of how many will be signing up.

What if Closet liberals join and then vote to take the group into a new direction? LOL!

Maybe they at least have an idea of how many are coming as opposed to signing up

Okay... you're "Doubting Steve."

I second that. You're Doubting Steve.. :drama

Also did they mention to you that each executive will have their own brand new Black Lincoln Town car paid for by the membership fees? Of course they don't get to keep the cars once they are off the Executive Committee they then hand the keys over to the next up-coming Exec. And did you also hear that due to the location of headquarters being established in the mid-west that it was cheaper to purchase a learjet for transportation instead of having to pay for all the airline tickets. No joke!

Another item is the Starbucks that will be installed in the vestibule of the new headquartes, complete with a rotating shift of 8 full-time baristas (all the free coffee and espresso's you want to drink)! In the back of headquarters is a fitness center complete with free weights and cardio equipiment and 2 raquetball courts! Now their talkin'!

Something else you probably didn't hear about are the 7 Townhomes that are being purchased for each Exec on the board to stay in while they are in town. They will rotate these as they do the Licoln Town Cars.

There are a few more items but I don't want to overload the senses around here just yet.

It's something to consider I encourage you to sign up!

If I were of the relationship with some of these men as Brother Steve Epley is, I would go right now to the telephone and ask if these things are true. Seems simply to confirm or deny.

That does it I am joining.:drama:happydance

All in favor say "I" . Opposed the same.


Disclaimer: "Doubting Steve" should not be confused with "Stephen the faithful one Hoover".