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rgcraig 01-13-2008 05:52 PM

2008 BOTT - Anthony Mangun Message
 
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Nahum 01-13-2008 06:44 PM

I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Esther 01-13-2008 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 356476)
I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

I agree with a lot you have said here.

CC1 01-13-2008 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 356476)
I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Excellent post. Especially the sentence "We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness and talent for anointing".

Raven 01-14-2008 06:55 AM

You're exactly right here, Pastor Poster.
Raven

rgcraig 01-14-2008 07:59 AM

PP - good post!

DividedThigh 01-14-2008 08:10 AM

well like it or not what pp stated is happening, good job pp, dt:drama

StMark 01-14-2008 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 356476)
I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.
We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!


All traditions are not bad. Tradition has been the glue that has held the Jewish community together while being scattered across the world with no homeland.

Apostle Paul said he kept some traditions.He even visited the temples.

There are good traditions that need to pass down to the next generation.

The word "religion" is derived from the word "discipline" which is not necessarily a bad thing.

On the other hand, tradition and religion, as good as they are and can be can also become wicked and evil things on earth when coupled with spiritual pride and blindedness.

Traditions are not salvation.I think this is part of where we oft go wrong.
They are good, but they are for the betterment of a community.They are not equal to Acts 238

jrLA 01-14-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 356837)
All traditions are not bad. Tradition has been the glue that has held the Jewish community together while being scattered across the world with no homeland.

Apostle Paul said he kept some traditions.He even visited the temples.

There are good traditions that need to pass down to the next generation.

The word "religion" is derived from the word "discipline" which is not necessarily a bad thing.

On the other hand, tradition and religion, as good as they are and can be can also become wicked and evil things on earth when coupled with spiritual pride and blindedness.

Traditions are not salvation.I think this is part of where we oft go wrong.
They are good, but they are for the betterment of a community.They are not equal to Acts 238


Very impressed with your post Mark. Very well written! :happydance

drummerboy_dave 01-14-2008 12:39 PM

I'd rather reserve comment until I view the entire message. Any Links to unedited message?

Rose 01-14-2008 01:08 PM

Thanks for sharing this BOTT message by Bro Mangun! Are these 5 videos the entire message?
Did anyone hear Bro Arnold's message at BOTT?

Mrs. LPW 01-14-2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose (Post 357084)
Thanks for sharing this BOTT message by Bro Mangun! Are these 5 videos the entire message?
Did anyone hear Bro Arnold's message at BOTT?

I did... it was uplifting.
He preached on the cup that runneth over.

Esther 01-14-2008 01:21 PM

I didn't get to the very end. Is there another portion somewhere?

TRFrance 01-14-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 356476)
I love Anthony.

I can't say I agree with everything he says here, or even the basic principle he is espousing.

Tradition is just tradition, and for far too long it has ruled our movement. While I do not feel it is time to abandon all of our traditions, I do believe it is time to reevaluate some core beliefs we hold that are not founded in the Word.

This WILL happen. It IS happening. And this process is, and will be, painful.

We have confused tradition for truth, appearance for holiness, and talent for anointing. I cannot believe God is pleased.

We need a fresh rain.

We need revival.

We need a revival of Spirit and Truth.

God give us solid Bible teachers!

Well said.

Unfortunately, some changes take more time than others. And getting rid of traditions that may be hindering the gospel might take an entire generation (or longer). In the end, I'm sure there will still be some man-made traditions in the church when Jesus comes. That seems unavoidable.

However, as the Tulsa episode is proving, sometimes when change is taking place, it's bound to cause splits and schisms. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are more splits and breakaways ahead in our movement, as the next generation seeks to throw off some of the older, more cumbersome traditions, while still maintaining the core message.


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