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Esther 01-14-2008 06:22 PM

Would you live here?
 
If you had an opportunity to buy a home for a really good price would you live there if you knew that there had been a mulitiple murder and sucicide?

IF no, why not?

Cindy 01-14-2008 06:31 PM

That has happened down the road from us. A man killed his wife and her kids, took the child he had with her to his mother in Louisiana. It was very violent for the woman and her daughter, less violent for her son. I think that house was torn down. I am not sure if I would want to or not. Might seem kind of morbid and creepy.

Esther 01-14-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 357443)
That has happened down the road from us. A man killed his wife and her kids, took the child he had with her to his mother in Louisiana. It was very violent for the woman and her daughter, less violent for her son. I think that house was torn down. I am not sure if I would want to or not. Might seem kind of morbid and creepy.

Why do you think that?

Do you think there would be ghost in the house?

stmatthew 01-14-2008 06:37 PM

Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee.


unless it is something that you feel would be detrimental to your witness (having others into your home), I do not see a problem with it.

I would, however, go through the house and pray through it, asking God to sanctify it.

Esther 01-14-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357455)
Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee.


unless it is something that you feel would be detrimental to your witness (having others into your home), I do not see a problem with it.

I would, however, go through the house and pray through it, asking God to sanctify it.

I do that in any home I buy or rent.

And usually more than once. :)

Question. How could it be detrimental to someone's witness?

Margies3 01-14-2008 06:47 PM

There is a house here in our town where the husband killed and his wife and then chopped her up in small pieces. He then took her to Michigan and dumped her body into various dumpsters in several towns.

The house has had 2 owners since this happened (just a few years ago). When the first owner moved in he seemed to have things pretty much together. He was a divorced man, but highly respected as a psychologist/counselor. He was the father of 8 children and had custody of several of them. The others lived with his wife here in town. Within a year of them moving into the house, the world fell apart for him. After only a couple of years his children were all heavily into drugs and drinking. He was said to be supplying drugs and alcohol to them as well as to other teens. He eventually lost the house. When they moved out, the house smelled horribly. Rotten!

The next people who bought it are a young couple with 3 children. They had to basically gut the house out to clean it up and be able to move in. The things they found were disgusting!

And now that they've lived there just over a year, their marriage is crumbling. They are on the virge of also losing the house.

Is it the house? Or is it just bad luck in people who've lived there? I don't know. But I know I do not want the house at any cost!!

stmatthew 01-14-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357458)
I do that in any home I buy or rent.

And usually more than once. :)

Question. How could it be detrimental to someone's witness?

If there are others in the community that know of the situation, it may cause them to be less receptive to your hospitality within this home.

Esther 01-14-2008 06:52 PM

I believe in the power of the blood. If they, prayed over it an anointed it I believe there would not be any spirits in the house.

The house next to me, is now empty for the third time. Seems like at least two of them went bankrupt, the first one divorced.

So different things can make you have problems.

But who knows what went on in your home you bought without your knowledge.

I learned that the hard way years ago, when we bought our first home.

Esther 01-14-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357480)
If there are others in the community that know of the situation, it may cause them to be less receptive to your hospitality within this home.

From what I have been told the entire community knows.

RevDWW 01-14-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 357472)
There is a house here in our town where the husband killed and his wife and then chopped her up in small pieces. He then took her to Michigan and dumped her body into various dumpsters in several towns.

The house has had 2 owners since this happened (just a few years ago). When the first owner moved in he seemed to have things pretty much together. He was a divorced man, but highly respected as a psychologist/counselor. He was the father of 8 children and had custody of several of them. The others lived with his wife here in town. Within a year of them moving into the house, the world fell apart for him. After only a couple of years his children were all heavily into drugs and drinking. He was said to be supplying drugs and alcohol to them as well as to other teens. He eventually lost the house. When they moved out, the house smelled horribly. Rotten!

The next people who bought it are a young couple with 3 children. They had to basically gut the house out to clean it up and be able to move in. The things they found were disgusting!

And now that they've lived there just over a year, their marriage is crumbling. They are on the virge of also losing the house.

Is it the house? Or is it just bad luck in people who've lived there? I don't know. But I know I do not want the house at any cost!!

The house is just wood and other building materials. So no it is not the house. It could be an evil spirit. But what power does an evil spirit have over a Holy Ghost filled child of God?

Cindy 01-14-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357449)
Why do you think that?

Do you think there would be ghost in the house?

No, not ghosts. But I believe that kind of violence leaves something that lingers behind.

AmazingGrace 01-14-2008 07:11 PM

There is a house on our street that had a murder suicide happen in it and it will NOT sale... its been on the market for 3 yrs and no one will touch it... I havent been in it but I guess word is out enough that no one will have a thing to do w it!

Esther 01-14-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 357485)
The house is just wood and other building materials. So no it is not the house. It could be an evil spirit. But what power does an evil spirit have over a Holy Ghost filled child of God?

Those are my thoughts.

stmatthew 01-14-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357480)
If there are others in the community that know of the situation, it may cause them to be less receptive to your hospitality within this home.

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357482)
From what I have been told the entire community knows.

So if you intend to us this house as a place to reach out and show hospitality to the community, you may loose some of them because of the stigma associated with the house. Not a reason not to get it, but just something to consider.

Sarah 01-14-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357428)
If you had an opportunity to buy a home for a really good price would you live there if you knew that there had been a mulitiple murder and sucicide?

IF no, why not?

I wouldn't want to live in a house like that, unless I just absolutely had to!

Just wouldn't.

Cindy 01-14-2008 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 357485)
The house is just wood and other building materials. So no it is not the house. It could be an evil spirit. But what power does an evil spirit have over a Holy Ghost filled child of God?

I agree with that. That it's just a house I mean. And I guess blood doesn't cry out from the ground anymore. But I still would just prefer not living in a house where so much violence took place.

Esther 01-14-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357514)
So if you intend to us this house as a place to reach out and show hospitality to the community, you may loose some of them because of the stigma associated with the house. Not a reason not to get it, but just something to consider.

But if they saw and felt peace there do you think it would not have a greater impact that God is more powerful that the violence that was committed there?

From what I understand they were in the process of getting a divorce. So that is another spirit to possibly have to deal with. But God is more than able to cleanse the home. IMO

But you are right, who ever buys it may not have a lot of overnight company. :)

Esther 01-14-2008 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 357523)
I agree with that. That it's just a house I mean. And I guess blood doesn't cry out from the ground anymore. But I still would just prefer not living in a house where so much violence took place.

I don't know. I drive down roads where a lot of blood has been shed in violent accidents. I don't ever feel anything as I go down the roads.

stmatthew 01-14-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357527)
But if they saw and felt peace there do you think it would not have a greater impact that God is more powerful that the violence that was committed there?

From what I understand they were in the process of getting a divorce. So that is another spirit to possibly have to deal with. But God is more than able to cleanse the home. IMO

But you are right, who ever buys it may not have a lot of overnight company. :)

The stigma may keep some from getting close enough to finding the peace there.

Again, I am not trying to talk you out of it. Just giving a POV that you may not have.

Cindy 01-14-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357529)
I don't know. I drive down roads where a lot of blood has been shed in violent accidents. I don't ever feel anything as I go down the roads.

Well that is different entirely to me. The evil that would cause someone to violently take another life is totally different.

But you know you may also be right about the peace that could be shown by the Holy Ghost. God's spirit would drive out any evil spirit if it was there.

Harmony 01-14-2008 08:56 PM

We found out after we purchased our first "house", that the man who lived there shot himself in the bedroom. We found the patched up hole. It was ok with us.

(the reason that "house" is in "" is because it was a single wide :D) Didn't want my friends to get a good laugh that I would call that a house!!

Mrs. LPW 01-14-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357455)
Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee.


unless it is something that you feel would be detrimental to your witness (having others into your home), I do not see a problem with it.

I would, however, go through the house and pray through it, asking God to sanctify it.

I love this scripture. It's been precious to me for many years!

pelathais 01-14-2008 09:18 PM

Resale value would probably be low. But on the plus side you might be able to pick up a real estate investment at a bargain price. Then through careful marketing, you can play up the "historical" nature of the property. Invite the History Channel and the National Enquirer to feature your property in their "investigations" of the paranormal.

In 30 years you could sell it at a premium touting the "haunted" nature of the residence.

Or maybe I'm too cynical.

Hoovie 01-14-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 357639)
Resale value would probably be low. But on the plus side you might be able to pick up a real estate investment at a bargain price. Then through careful marketing, you can play up the "historical" nature of the property. Invite the History Channel and the National Enquirer to feature your property in their "investigations" of the paranormal.

In 30 years you could sell it at a premium touting the "haunted" nature of the residence.

Or maybe I'm too cynical.


Some people take investments for granted...


Perhaps one could apply for a "Pel" grant... :toofunny

HeavenlyOne 01-14-2008 10:41 PM

A lot worse things happen in secret in houses we might own or rent.

Esther 01-15-2008 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 357694)
A lot worse things happen in secret in houses we might own or rent.

No doubt.

Esther 01-15-2008 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmony (Post 357618)
We found out after we purchased our first "house", that the man who lived there shot himself in the bedroom. We found the patched up hole. It was ok with us.

(the reason that "house" is in "" is because it was a single wide :D) Didn't want my friends to get a good laugh that I would call that a house!!

They did not disclose this to you before you bought?

I understand in our state it is required to be disclosed.

OneAccord 01-15-2008 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357428)
If you had an opportunity to buy a home for a really good price would you live there if you knew that there had been a mulitiple murder and sucicide?

IF no, why not?

I wouldn't have a problem living there unless the crimes garnered alot of media attention and there was a problem with sight seers and gawkers. I understand the John and Patsy Ramsey house in Colorado still has alot of people drivin' by, taking photos and trampling around the yard. I wouldn't want that. As far as "evil spirits" and ghosts. Nah, I don't think "evil spirits" inhabit houses and I don't believe in ghosts. People, in their imaginations, give "evil spirits" more power than they really have. I was watching "Paranormal State" the other night and I have come to a conclusion: All this "paranormal" stuff is a bunch of baloney.

Mrs. LPW 01-15-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 357514)
So if you intend to us this house as a place to reach out and show hospitality to the community, you may loose some of them because of the stigma associated with the house. Not a reason not to get it, but just something to consider.

As well as the fact that many in the world today are superstitious and spiritual. They don't want to embrace the God of the Bible, because He has requirements and is too absolute for their liking... but they are open to there being spirits and an afterlife.

Because people won't accept the God of Creation as he is... but rather want to believe in a being... or beings... they are open to believing that the spirits of people who die are floating around and may stick with the house they died in...


This won't change because we know our God and we know His word.

Esther 01-15-2008 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 357830)
As well as the fact that many in the world today are superstitious and spiritual. They don't want to embrace the God of the Bible, because He has requirements and is too absolute for their liking... but they are open to there being spirits and an afterlife.

Because people won't accept the God of Creation as he is... but rather want to believe in a being... or beings... they are open to believing that the spirits of people who die are floating around and may stick with the house they died in...

This won't change because we know our God and we know His word.

I think movies has given people that concept.

Mrs. LPW 01-15-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357834)
I think movies has given people that concept.

Yes, I think so. The fact is, people have the place in them for God... but they don't want to accept him so they try to fill it with every other kind of spiritualism they can.

I don't think I'd buy the house personally, but I know my husband would in a heartbeat. If it's a deal, it's a deal!

Esther 01-15-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 357837)
Yes, I think so. The fact is, people have the place in them for God... but they don't want to accept him so they try to fill it with every other kind of spiritualism they can.

I don't think I'd buy the house personally, but I know my husband would in a heartbeat. If it's a deal, it's a deal!

:happydance

Why would you not want to buy?

Esther 01-15-2008 02:46 PM

Girl at work said it was too creepy for her. :)

Mrs. LPW 01-15-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357840)
:happydance

Why would you not want to buy?

Because I have a very big soft spot in me.. I'd be thinking about the poor people who were killed and their poor families and I know I wouldn't enjoy the house.

My husband... he's a real estate junkie and wouldn't care if the previous owner was Lucifer as long as it was a good deal... :toofunny

Elizabeth 01-15-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357428)
If you had an opportunity to buy a home for a really good price would you live there if you knew that there had been a mulitiple murder and sucicide?

IF no, why not?

I could not live in such a house, especially if the crime was recent. It would be almost impossible for me not to think about the people who used to live there. It would be scary at night knowing someone died there, I wouldn't get much sleep!!!

RandyWayne 01-15-2008 03:52 PM

It wouldn't bother me much..... Great fodder for ghost stories! Also, unless it happened in the master suit, we would just make the in-laws stay in the "murder" room when they visit on their 2-4 week yearly trips.

Elizabeth 01-15-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 358138)
It wouldn't bother me much..... Great fodder for ghost stories! Also, unless it happened in the master suit, we would just make the in-laws stay in the "murder" room when they visit on their 2-4 week yearly trips.

:naughty

Cindy 01-15-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 357694)
A lot worse things happen in secret in houses we might own or rent.

That is very true H1.

Evang.Benincasa 01-15-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 357428)
If you had an opportunity to buy a home for a really good price would you live there if you knew that there had been a mulitiple murder and sucicide?

IF no, why not?

I grew up in the Bronx New York.

Esther 01-16-2008 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 358197)
I grew up in the Bronx New York.

Which translates to???


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