The Number One Problem in the Oneness Pentecostal Movement is...
 

We follow and idolize our leaders more than we listen to and follow the Holy Ghost.


Result?

Immobilization.

I was going to type an answer but I can't move.........:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

That's cause of too many cheeseburgers, not Anthony Mangun!

Result?

No revival in many churches
Few new converts
Failure to impact our family and community
Near Isolationism
Stale Bread
Lack of Enthusiasm and Zeal that following the Holy Ghost instead of man would give us

He That Knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is a SIN

We need more threads on whose our favorite preacher.

Favorite message

Favorite church's

The number on problem is sectarianism.

The fellowship of like minded men and women brushing folks away by the trite of their idolistic sef-proclaimed highroad.

The biggest set back on the movement (If you want to call Oneness a movement).

Is that the Oneness movement is not one with each other.

Their is fragmentation in this Oneness movement.

The only Movement I see is men moving farther and farther from coming together.

You have one camp following the fire all the time and the other following the cloud all the time.

Follow the Fire together at night and the cloud together by day, it will lead to the promise land...

God will move past these self proclaimed armor bearers of the Gospel and step into the next willing and hungry souls.

How about we pray for the 30 plus Oneness groups to......

Get it "Together"!

You need to quit that. What if I had been drinking Pepsi...... woulda spewed on my monitor. Oh wait, no I wouldn't have since I am immobile.......:toofunny

Think about the earth being attacked by aliens from outer space. Would we be fighting each other to prove who was the most human? Would we separate ourselves into factions and cliques to prove that we have the only answer to fight the aliens or would we look at our humanity and similarities and then unite to fight our common enemy? The enemy is old slewfoot not each other. Not elegant words, but I think you know what I mean. I am Oneness and old school but I can't see fighting my brother even if he is fighting me.

The biggest problem apparently is they are not reading threads on AFF.

#1 problem???

A lack of respect among Ministers & a lack of respect among Saints.

Exactly.

We're in love with the whole "Paul or Apollos" thing.

And miss all the swipes at leadership in general like this "gem?"

:ty freeatlast for posting this thread was wrong.

WHAT!?

How was this a swipe at leadership?

I believe in submission and godly leadership, not idolatry.

I agree totally....I am up for the unity...

Tell me something,why can some get away with bad mouthing the apostolic church and ministry and some can't ?

Who did I bad mouth?

:toofunny:toofunny PP, Me thinks it might not be your night. Hang on, bro, it might change!!! :toofunny lol

Then DO SOMETHING about it!!! :blah

STOP COMPLAINING and PRAY!!!! for leaders, saints, the lost.

God is big enough and great enough and powerful enough to do whatever we can believe Him to do!!



PP, Propose a solution. Provide an answer. :stirpot

Not working with other churches and the communities they live in.
You have to show your community you care and do things out of the goodness of the Lord and not because their might be a ROI.

Admitting there is a problem is half of the solution.

But people get so touchy... and cannot admit there are problems.

IMHO - the biggest problem is the judgment and condemnation.

The biggest problem in the "Oneness Movement" is that the Godhead is the only thing we are "one" in... Dis-unity reigns in just about everything else...

We have a Pattern problem.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:5 (KJV)

Jesus established a pattern for us to follow...

But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)

This is an old problem, even dealt with in the Old Testament...

But the former governors that had been before me were chargeable unto the people, and had taken of them bread and wine, beside forty shekels of silver; yea, even their servants bare rule over the people: but so did not I, because of the fear of God.
Neh 5:15 (KJV)

Whenever someone is trying to be in charge over others, their motive and the pattern of their efforts reflects this error, and the result is a ceasing of the ministery flow.

Whenever someone is trying to help others, they are often willing to suffer more that others might be eased, to give more that others might have less of as burden, and if they become very successful, they will become like their Lord, who laid down His very life for others. The result is an overflowing and outflowing of loving ministry.

This was the greatness of John the Baptist, as he exceeded all the prophets in understanding and accepting that the will of God was for him to decrease.

He must increase, but I must decrease.
John 3:30 (KJV)

Much of the structure, the offices, and the bylaws were designed on a false idea, that truth needed protecting, as though truth is weak, but the opposite is true. The structure, the offices, and the bylaws are not the pattern Jesus established.

It's a pattern problem.

Pornography, both in the pew and behind the pulpit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*I know that the study was across denominal lines, but oneness is a percentage of that huge number*

Pastor Poster wrote:Is this possibly the outcropping from men making disciples unto themselves?

The word of God bares witness that ..."For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

What we are following is what we are led by.

I think the number one problem is that so many really believe that they have ALL the truth! There is nothing left to be learned. They have the PERFECT TRUTH. Anything different is considered backslidden!

If you have a different opinion, you are no longer in the truth. You have slipped down the slope into the sea of liberalism! :lol

This is why the Oneness movement will always be fragmented! It's sad, really!

No PM, that's not the problem with Penteostals in general..just with Ultra Cons. :stirpot

I can agree with that! The UCs tend to be wall builders by nature!

Don't you see by saying this you have made yourself the judge and arbiter of what is true? :drama

I'm not a UC but are they building walls to keep folks out or building bridges to bring folks into greater light? It all depends on your perspective.

The important thing is to share the truth in love whatever you consider truth to be.

I've learned that if you're the one trying to build the bridge, sometimes you can be hit by both sides coming down the road. Then a poor old guy like me can feel like jumping into the lake but the old FRINGE_NUTTER has to keep on going.

Fighting the Devil :boxing NOT my brother.

Ah so... Confucius say, You very wise!

BUMP FOR PP

Really, he said that??? Where, I want proof!!!!!!!!:boxing

Maybe he's immobilized and can't respond to the bump. JUST KIDDING

The thing is though, there are some folks who seem to take pleasure in pointing out the problems of Oneness churches, while not acknowledging all the positive aspects, or proposing possible remedies or improvements.

Perhaps we've lost our focus!

Turn your eyes upon Jesus, Look full in His wonderful Face,
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
In the light of His glory and grace!

Falla39

Every problem in politics and religion can be summed up in one word: DIVISION. The lack of unity hinders the moving of the Holy Spirit. Get rid of the divisions among us, we'll see more of the operation of the Holy Spirit. Its that simple.

Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.

1Cr 1:10 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Not that I take pleasure in it... but I have been hurt in a Oneness church.

But you are right... I have also been saved in one! I have also felt the strongest moves of God in one! I have also heard some of the best preaching in one! And without a doubt, our singers are second to none.

Gee, know something! That did feel good!!!!