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alogi 01-30-2008 02:26 PM

Replacement Theology
 
I for one believe,that God in all his wisdom.Got sick and tired of the Hebrews of the old testament.He got tired of their useless traditions. God told us that he would create for himself a new people.His church.
Does this mean mean that God has forgotten his people the Jews or Hebrews?
No its doesnt.
God in all of his wisdom, has anew bride and has devorced the old one.The old bride was harlot.His new bride is the bride the bride of Christ.His church.
The ones who have taken on God's name and have his spirit within them.
Yes the church has replaced the old nation of Isreal.We as Apostolics are the true Isreal of God. For we have been cicumcized in the heart according to the spirit.
Romans 2:28-29.
The whole word of God is about replace ment theology.Its about something better.Out with the old and in with the new.
Arent you glad that God gave us a chance to be part of his new Isreal?
Shalom
Messienic Jew
Alogi

Rev 01-30-2008 02:36 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alogi (Post 374219)
I for one believe,that God in all his wisdom.Got sick and tired of the Hebrews of the old testament.He got tired of their useless traditions. God told us that he would create for himself a new people.His church.
Does this mean mean that God has forgotten his people the Jews or Hebrews?
No its doesnt.
God in all of his wisdom, has anew bride and has devorced the old one.The old bride was harlot.His new bride is the bride the bride of Christ.His church.
The ones who have taken on God's name and have his spirit within them.
Yes the church has replaced the old nation of Isreal.We as Apostolics are the true Isreal of God. For we have been cicumcized in the heart according to the spirit.
Romans 2:28-29.
The whole word of God is about replace ment theology.Its about something better.Out with the old and in with the new.
Arent you glad that God gave us a chance to be part of his new Isreal?
Shalom
Messienic Jew
Alogi

True!

Bowas 02-06-2008 08:24 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
I am not sure about the "repalcement" but definately "Fullfillment".
Oh, wait. How can this be? I just checked the "search for truth" charts, and I couldn't find it in there. Perhaps I should look somewhere else...like in the BIBLE!!!
Quote:

Originally Posted by alogi (Post 374219)
I for one believe,that God in all his wisdom.Got sick and tired of the Hebrews of the old testament.He got tired of their useless traditions. God told us that he would create for himself a new people.His church.
Does this mean mean that God has forgotten his people the Jews or Hebrews?
No its doesnt.
God in all of his wisdom, has anew bride and has devorced the old one.The old bride was harlot.His new bride is the bride the bride of Christ.His church.
The ones who have taken on God's name and have his spirit within them.
Yes the church has replaced the old nation of Isreal.We as Apostolics are the true Isreal of God. For we have been cicumcized in the heart according to the spirit.
Romans 2:28-29.
The whole word of God is about replace ment theology.Its about something better.Out with the old and in with the new.
Arent you glad that God gave us a chance to be part of his new Isreal?
Shalom
Messienic Jew
Alogi


Scott Hutchinson 02-06-2008 08:35 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Now the church is the one new man compromised of both Jew and Gentile.
I don't think God cut the Jews off,only the ones that rejected Him were cut off by their own belief,I think that's what ROM.11 teaches.
All those who are borned of water and Spirit are children of Abraham,by faith in Jesus Christ.

mfblume 02-07-2008 06:29 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
I agree with Bowas. The church was typified by Israel. So the church FULFILLS the type that Israel served. Just as the sacrifices foreshadowed Christ, Israel foreshadowed the Church.

All prophecies to ISRAEL in the Old Testament are fulfilled in the church. I can prove that by examples taken from Isaiah that are specifically said to refer to the church in the New Testament. So forget about natural Israel in a millennium. Not gonna happen.

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 382148)
Now the church is the one new man compromised of both Jew and Gentile.
I don't think God cut the Jews off,only the ones that rejected Him were cut off by their own belief,I think that's what ROM.11 teaches.
All those who are borned of water and Spirit are children of Abraham,by faith in Jesus Christ.

I meant to say that those Jews that were cut off from God ,were cut off by their own disbelief.

Rev 02-07-2008 06:42 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 382148)
Now the church is the one new man compromised of both Jew and Gentile.
I don't think God cut the Jews off,only the ones that rejected Him were cut off by their own belief,I think that's what ROM.11 teaches.
All those who are borned of water and Spirit are children of Abraham,by faith in Jesus Christ.

Here you go.......

(Gal 3:16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
(Gal 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
(Gal 3:29) And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 08:21 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Now this brings up another point ,that the church is not a concubine,that was only brought in,because of Israel's rejection of Christ.The church is not plan B.

Rev 02-07-2008 08:24 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 383177)
Here you go.......

(Gal 3:16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
(Gal 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
(Gal 3:29) And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:

Rev 02-07-2008 08:25 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383250)
Now this brings up another point ,that the church is not a concubine,that was only brought in,because of Israel's rejection of Christ.The church is not plan B.

Correct.

(Gal 3:16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made

:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 08:30 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Now this is brings us to another issue are the six points of DANIEL chapter 9 fulfilled ?
I doubt very seriously anybody now physically could trace their lineage back to Abraham.
Abraham was originally called a Hebrew because he was a descendant of Heber.

Rev 02-07-2008 08:38 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383260)
Now this is brings us to another issue are the six points of DANIEL chapter 9 fulfilled ?
I doubt very seriously anybody now physically could trace their lineage back to Abraham.
Abraham was originally called a Hebrew because he was a descendant of Heber.

I think I remember reading that most, if not all genealogy records were destroyed in 70AD.

What are the six points?

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 08:44 PM

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1.To finish the transgression.
2.To make an end to sins.
3.Make reconciliation for inquity.
4.To bring in everlasting righteousness.
5.To seal up the vision and prophecy.
6.To.anoint the most Holy.ALL from Daniel 9:24

Rev 02-07-2008 08:48 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383260)
Now this is brings us to another issue are the six points of DANIEL chapter 9 fulfilled ?
I doubt very seriously anybody now physically could trace their lineage back to Abraham.
Abraham was originally called a Hebrew because he was a descendant of Heber.

"Abraham was originally called a Hebrew because he was a descendant of Heber."

Are you sure about this?

Rev 02-07-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383278)
1.To finish the transgression.
2.To make an end to sins.
3.Make reconciliation for inquity.
4.To bring in everlasting righteousness.
5.To seal up the vision and prophecy.
6.To.anoint the most Holy.ALL from Daniel 9:24

But of course they are.

:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 08:55 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 383284)
"Abraham was originally called a Hebrew because he was a descendant of Heber."

Are you sure about this?

Since Abraham was from UR of the Chaldees,he wasn't called a Hebrew due to his pigment.
Abraham was called a Hebrew in GEN.14:13
See LUKE.3:34,35 Abraham was a descendant of Heber.

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev (Post 383285)
But of course they are.

:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:

If 490 yrs.are contained in Daniels seventy weeks of yrs. How can there be a several thousands of years gap as popularly taught ?

Rev 02-07-2008 09:07 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383289)
Since Abraham was from UR of the Chaldees,he wasn't called a Hebrew due to his pigment.
Abraham was called a Hebrew in GEN.14:13
See LUKE.3:34,35 Abraham was a descendant of Heber.

Albert Barnes commentary.......

Genesis 14:13-16. Abram rescues Lot. fylip;“the fugitive” party, as “the Kenaanite” for the whole nation. The escaped party inform Abram when one of their number does so. “The Hebrew.” This designation is given to Abram plainly for the purpose of connecting him with Lot. The Septuagint translates the word by perathv , one who passes. This has been explained by transfluvialis, one who has come across the river; namely, the Frat. This no doubt applies to Lot as well as Abram; but it also applies to every other tribe in the country, inasmuch as all had originally migrated across the Euphrates. Besides, the word is nowhere else used in this sense, but always as a patronymic. And, moreover, Abram is here distinguished as the Hebrew, just as his confederate Mamre is distinguished as the Amorite. The object of these designations is to mark, not only their relation to each other, but also their connection with those who were carried off as prisoners of war. The term “Hebrew” does not come into the narrative by hap-hazard. “The sons of Heber” are distinctly mentioned in the table of nations among the descendants of Shem. Its introduction here intimates that there were other descendants of Heber besides Abram already in the land. They could not but be a widespread race. One branch of them, the Joctanites, were the first stock of Arabia’s inhabitants, and the Palgites may have been the earliest settlers in the adjacent Palestine. How many of the non-Kenaanites belong to them we cannot tell; but we learn from the statement now before us that the Hebrew was at this time a known patronymic. The way between Mesopotamia and Palestine has been often trodden.

Rev 02-07-2008 09:18 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev (Post 383294)
Albert Barnes commentary.......

Genesis 14:13-16. Abram rescues Lot. fylip;“the fugitive” party, as “the Kenaanite” for the whole nation. The escaped party inform Abram when one of their number does so. “The Hebrew.” This designation is given to Abram plainly for the purpose of connecting him with Lot. The Septuagint translates the word by perathv , one who passes. This has been explained by transfluvialis, one who has come across the river; namely, the Frat. This no doubt applies to Lot as well as Abram; but it also applies to every other tribe in the country, inasmuch as all had originally migrated across the Euphrates. Besides, the word is nowhere else used in this sense, but always as a patronymic. And, moreover, Abram is here distinguished as the Hebrew, just as his confederate Mamre is distinguished as the Amorite. The object of these designations is to mark, not only their relation to each other, but also their connection with those who were carried off as prisoners of war. The term “Hebrew” does not come into the narrative by hap-hazard. “The sons of Heber” are distinctly mentioned in the table of nations among the descendants of Shem. Its introduction here intimates that there were other descendants of Heber besides Abram already in the land. They could not but be a widespread race. One branch of them, the Joctanites, were the first stock of Arabia’s inhabitants, and the Palgites may have been the earliest settlers in the adjacent Palestine. How many of the non-Kenaanites belong to them we cannot tell; but we learn from the statement now before us that the Hebrew was at this time a known patronymic. The way between Mesopotamia and Palestine has been often trodden.

See I have learned something tonight. I didn't know why Abraham was called a Hebrew. Actually I had never thought about it before.

Scott Hutchinson 02-07-2008 09:22 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
You know I don't have a Albert Barnes or Clarke's commentaries,I rarely use a commentary,but I would like to have a copy of barnes notes.

Rev 02-07-2008 09:42 PM

Re: Replacement Theology
 
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 383298)
You know I don't have a Albert Barnes or Clarke's commentaries,I rarely use a commentary,but I would like to have a copy of barnes notes.

I think you can download both here.

www.onlinebible.net


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