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From WWPF by-law:


I will also avoid having television, or other Hollywood or Hollywood-type productions and movies in my home or elsewhere. I will further refrain from engaging in any other such unacceptable programs or materials via radio, internet or any other present or future technology. I will limit my use of all forms of communication technology to that which is, educational, business, or otherwise wholesome and edifying.

Question: As this statement prohibits television in any form or fashion, why does it allow internet (barring unacceptable programs) to squeeze in under educational, business or otherwise wholesome and edifying? HMMMMMMM??? Are they saying a televison is more likely to destroy a person spiritually than the internet????????????????? It appears silly to have an internet site for your church but feel the need to form another organization because the UPC now allows advertising on television. Just looking for some principle here.

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HELLOOOO

THANK YOU


PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:TulsaNO:

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Principal!!!!!!

Here princy, princy, princy



Nope, not here

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This question has been asked and answered for quite some time now. Don't expect to get a satisfactory answer.

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:chirp:chirp:chirp

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The bigger question to me (not to say this isn't a completely valid and great question) is, why is their stance on TV, on the record, more weak than the official UPC stance?


AVOID???


:stirpot

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The loophole is so big you could drive a semi through it. It's purposeful intent is to satisfy the clamoring voices of conservatism while allowing for future brethren to take their moderate stance.

I predict many of these churches will be on Television sooner than many UPCI. They also do not appear to have a provision to remove or revoke anyone who does minister on Television.

I may be wrong on the latter point, not having read through all the by-laws.

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In that case, are WwPFers in violation with being on AFF? I guess AFF can be educational at times, but wholesome, edifying???

:stirpot :tvhappy

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Are any on here? Other than that new guy who knows everybody and everything.

:toofunny

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There are several . . .

However, some may not be inhaling yet.

:happydance

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:toofunny :toofunny

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Not to defend the WPF, but I have explained the differences in principle and practice between broadcast television and internet access here on AFF until I'm blue in the face. I'm done. The Cliff's notes: It's push vs. pull media. People either get it or they don't. People either want more of the world's "offerings" or they want less.

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You too?

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Yeah this new insight into the hypocricy of the WPF is so refreshing maybe someone else will start a thread about bitterness over lost elections in the UPCI next.

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You can make you case till your blue in the face and it's still not logical!

If what you state is correct then that's all the more reason to PUSH the gospel into folks homes via television. Would you preach the Gospel at a bar if you had the chance? Would you preach on a corner frequented by prostitutes? So The Church, who the gates of hell can not prevail against, should let the use of television be conceded to evil? It's ok to let the sinner pull us into their computer monitor but not their television?

Seems to me the Internet vs. TV is a swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

All that aside I still love yah and wish God's best for you and yours!

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What???? You missed all that? Maybe you were busy making nice at the dentist's after busting your wife in the chops?

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Thanks!

errr, sorry folks, kindly disregard this hi-jack and resume your on-topic discussion.

Move along, nothing to see here . . .

Again, sorry.

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Best laugh I've had today. :toofunny

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I consider it a double standard

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Here is a little jingle that might help you to understand:


:musicnotes
I like red.
You like blue.
I am so much better than you.
You like blue.
I like red.
To me it is as though you're dead.:musicnotes

:rockband

We won't even consider purple, green, yellow, or any other color...J/K

Bottom line is that ALL concerned need prayer.

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The problem is they are so egocentric. Because they preached against TV for 6 decades they can not show weakness and say now it is ok.

The internet however is new technology in the past 15 years.

They are so foolish it's just crazy...

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Yes there are many but they all come on as guests and lurk around seeing what you all are saying about them.

:stirpot

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OPC, One quick question...

If one can "pull" the exact same program on the internet that is "pushed" on TV, would it stand to reason, then, that the content should be forbidden? Or do you make the case that C-span is acceptable on the internet but should be avoided on TV?

If both of the medias have overlapping content, is it then not a question of content rather then conduit?

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Stumper!

Or DVD's of TV shows can be watched, but not the actual show in real time.

P.S. Also, as someone stated that the internet is safer because of all the protection programs you can purchase. Well, they make that for TV also - Guardian Angel I believe it's called.

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Start a new thread.

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Lol....sounds like it's still a question that would fall under the title of this thread.... :toofunny

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Rhenda, While at JCM many years after you (lol) one of the FPC guys came to JCM and we became good friends... We would go to his house and his parents had a monitor and a vcr (which has a tuner)... We couldn't watch prime time from 7-10pm, but they would record the prime time programs and we could then start watching them at 10... That was acceptable...

I guess the rules vary... You can watch TV programs as long as it is not while they are being initially played... wacko

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Done - in the main Fellowship hall.

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I think the silly part is you can watch wholesome programs on TV, but watch out for those evil commercials. And of course you can't get those on the internet.........:D

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Herein lies the problem: The Manual of the UPCI states; "We wholeheartedly disaprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing or swimming, women cutting their hair, makeup, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disaprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes." Each UPCI minister agrees to this yearly. So the real problem lies with UPCI ministers that sign saying they agree when they don't. This makes them liars. WPF'ers don't agree with the new advertising stand and rather than become liars they are leaving.

It sounds like some of you need to pick apart the UPCI stand against TV instead of the WPF.

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Right, WPF membership - full of integrity and always live by the letter of the manual... UPC membership have become "Liars".



Now to prove it.... hmmm.

:toofunny:tvhappy:toofunny

PS the smiley is watching the show on the INTERNET... Is he WPF or UPC?

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The thread asks for an explantion. I am trying to do that. If you sign something that says you agree when you really don't what does that make you----a fibber?

I no nothing about the integrity of the WPF.

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im agin it!!!!!. I preach it teach it even tho no one in my church has one. I will own up that it is my weakness so it must be everyone elses as well.

I cant help it when i go to walmarts my flesh seems to take me right to the tv department.

i was in a motel 6 the other day and when i walked in i saw the devils eye over in the corner.
I threw a blanket over it.

After 2 hours it got so hot i had to come out from under that blanket.

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I only read from the UPCI manual. Are you one of those----FIBBERS?

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I guess the point is, while statements and AOF mean something, people will always understand them, and adhere to them on different levels... not to mention, the progression of technology demands a review in this case.

In my opinion, it is far worse to judge others for technology which we all use in other forms, than to be a bit lax on a rigid interpretation of "The Manual".

The WPF has simply delayed dealing with this for a few years. To be consistant they need to do away with any allowances of the internet.

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they dropped the ball along time ago

aint nothing in there about white shirts, long sleeves, hair curlers, golf, imaxes, and glass front washing machines

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we used to have to go to the laundry matt to see the glassfront machines showing all that dirty laundry and now we have let them right in our homes. black and chrome ones shiny and pretty looking. Sister ogatt does fine with the old wringer.

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Welcome!

It's such a pleasure to have you here!!!! :stirpot:tvhappy:happydance

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The problem still remains that men sign every year stating they are against TV. The UPCI is very plain in their statement and all know what it means when they sign. The UPCI has also adopted a position on computers and the internet with which the WPF'ers agree. Why should we castigate this small group that are following their convictions by thinking that TV is still the greater force of evil in our society. Social scientists even agree with their position.

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And the men that preach these things stayed with the UPCI. But WE are talking about the Explanation for WPF. These men see TV as the greatest purveyor of evil in our day. This is a position that still aligns itself with the AoF.