Flirt To Convert???
 

What's up with this? Would anyone here want their children partaking in such an 'outreach'? I have never heard of such a thing, and hope my kids never do either!

FLIRT TO CONVERT

:crazyluv

Okay, what do you think?

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Better to flirt and convert than flirt and do other things.

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So it is okay to 'tease' a person to Christ? Is that an honest way to convert people? Would you have liked a man to have acted like he was interested in you personally only to later let you know it was all an act to get you to an altar for repentace? Also, what about the opportunity that will accompany such tactics? Some people, as you know, will let their emotions carry them further once they are involved. This, IMHO, is a real danger. Any time you 'lie' it always leads to sin.

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I would have to agree.

"a currupt tree cannot bare good fruit"

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What happened to to the Spirit drawing them. I mean I use ice breakers (no not the gum) to kind of ease people but flirt and convert? That's ridiculous.

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I didn't say it was okay - just made a statement.

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By the looks of the video I doubt that they are converting to Christ. Looks like they are converting to a GAY club....YUCK!!

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Easy now!!!

you'll get that "bi" thing going and then someone will get banned for 30 secs. and the laughing will last for pages!!!! :stirpot

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Um. Maybe their heart's in the right place, but I don't like it.

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Sorry, I guess we have different definitions of "better". :hmmm

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I was kidding.......

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Bad idea. A former pastor of mine, not in my current location, suggested that I do this. Crazy. Everyone else in the church had, but then had backslidden...and he apparently hadn't noticed the connection. I said, no thanks.

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I got an uneasy feeling watching that clip. Wasn't sure they were recruiting for Christ.

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I think that is just WRONG.

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Back in the 70's The Children Of God group had "flirty fishing". This included flirting and sex to win "converts". The larger issue is of course that we are not supposed to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.

A Christian should not be interested in dating an unbeliever to start with. If they are in a position to witness to someone thats fine. But not so they can start a relationship with them. The motive should be that they may escape the wrath to come and enter the Kingdom.

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I thought it was TIC. :wacko

Looked like they were just joking around. Like they were exagerating how they were flirting with young women to 'specifically' get them to come to church...*wink, wink*.

And I'd like to add that there is nothing wrong with young people flirting. It's how you 'test the waters' of acceptability. If they smile and are met with a cold, hard stare, they probably would move on to another! (At least if they're smart they would!) :lol

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Yeah, I didn't really take it to be a serious primer on an outreach tool either. lol

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Recently I met a girl at a restaurant, she told me she was raising money for a missions trip. She was disturbing to me and I wondered what kind of mission work she was doing. I checked out her religion on line and found that they have a perverted history. They practiced flirtly fishing. This is the only other time I have heard of flirting to convert.

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Ok now I went and looked at the video. I couldnt understand a word they said. It certainly could be taken for a gay thing. At any rate it seemed weird to me.

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Silly!

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So was I.... :happydance

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When I came to the Lord 25 years ago this March not only was God drawing & dealing with me but I came to service & looked around & saw all these "nice chicks" around & thought I must be dreaming!
Came to find out later most of them were married-but I stayed & found my own "Church's Chick!"

Flirt to convert-=no.

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Wow! This is new to me. I cannot believe this is actually occuring with 'approval' from 'the pastor.' Talk about being out of the loop; I guess I am.

When I was first saved, we did door knocking and home Bible studies. These worked and made some lasting results for souls. I really do not see how flirting with someone to win them will work. Your post really confirmed this. Thanks!

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There was another cult (who's name escapes me) that used to call it "Flirty Fishing". If someone can't see how ludicrous the idea is, there are some other big problems with them.

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Maybe we could call it Evangelistic Dating. :bemine

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Nutty.

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I saw an article on a Vineyard website that had to do with Apostolic Pentecostalism, and they were writing about us being a cult and whatnot. Anyways, I saw that they had mentioned something about flirty fishing and that UPC kids, supposedly went to trinity Pentecost churches to win their youth via flirty fishing (which was rediculous, although UPC youth did a lot of flirting it was mainly just among themselves, anyways....). I wrote an e-mail to the man who wrote this article after I had become Oneness and told him that the flirty fishing thing he mentioned was really offensive. The doctrinal differences are fine to go and argue, but they attacked our youth, so I wrote back. Here was part of his e-mail back to me:

Alex,

What you have shared is what you testify to from your own experiences in the couple of years you've been around UPC. Others have gotten to see things over the years. So, because you haven't seen what we do, you imply we must therefore be liars. What we have posted is not a smear on UPC but a warning about them which you would have done well to take heed to.

The flirty fishing mentioned to in our article is something that has been
witnessed to. You don't honestly expect UPC youth to readily admit their
flirtiness, do you?

The way we've seen UPC girls flirt with Pentecostal boys to have them come to their church was paramount to slumming. So who is your girlfriend at the UPC church you look forward to seeing? (This was really offensive to me, personally, because there were no girls at the UPC church I went to, except for my sister, and I have never [and hopefully will never] date a UPC girl)

We didn't even mention the widespread spiritual, physical and sexual abuse of a wide number of UPC ministers of women. It was deemed to intense for the
respectable article we have posted.

There are communities of Christians on the web and elsewhere who have gathered together to console each other from the abuse they have gotten in UPC. They are ex-UPC members.

I was most disappointed at the minister who was in the video and was joking around about flirty fishing. The youth were bad enough, but then to think that their pastor or youth pastor was joking about it, there and allowing this foolishness was really shameful. Honestly, if I were a parent and had my kids in that youth group we'd find another church- OVER THAT INCIDENT ALONE! My question is when is GOD going to start smitting people down for this sort of foolishness! O the fool and his folly!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

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I think it's carnal....sends the wrong message to other youth and to sinners

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I think this "guy" is biased and possibly exaggerating or making it up....I say that not because it never happens but he seems to be embellishing and making generalized statements and unsubstantiated statements like the

the widespread spiritual, physical and sexual abuse of a wide number of UPC ministers of women.

Does it happen? I have no doubt it happens everywhere. But to say it like this, widespread sexual abuse of UPC Ministers? I don't see any widespread stuff like that happening. That is not saying it does not happen, but this seems to be an embellishment

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This "flirt to convert" is a young person's fantasized excuse of continuing to flirt using Christ. Come on, we were all young, and know how these things are concocted. lol

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Players For Christ (PFC) ?

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:crazyluv :toofunny:toofunny

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I agree with both of you.

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Flirt to Convert is nothing next to flirty fishing. Flirty Fishing is perverted. I believe it was the Children of God and then became The Family or The Family International.

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Flirty Fishing came about in the 60's. I have a feeling this guy didn't have a clue what he was saying. If he knew what it was he wouldn't of been joking around about it.

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That's what I thought too. Young people come up with all sorts of funny skits and spoofs!

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OK, gang, before your knickers get all bunched up......This is TIC, I just watched it. The pastor is Mark Hattabaugh.You would have to know him and his sense of humour, great guy, great preacher, FUNNY FUNNY dude,and quite brave too with some of his "undercover" mission trips to certain countries. SoCali--Reformed Dave,Help me out, back me up on this one. DEAD THREAD MOVE ON, NOTHING TO SEE HERE This vid was TIC!!!

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Thanks for the clarification - -

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Lol...I figured as much!

It looked like a couple of young guys were caught in the act of flirting by their pastor and had to quickly come up with the 'REAL' reason WHY *wink, wink* they were trying to get a girl's attention in the first place.

'Of COURSE, it's to bring them to CHURCH Pastor! Why ELSE would you possibly even THINK we'd be talking to a girl!!!' :crazyluv

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I tried for years to get my "Reach The Beach" ministry off of the ground...my pastor kept nixing it...sheesh!