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Nahum 02-06-2008 02:06 PM

The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
Have you ever had someone tell you "I'm sorry" that wasn't? Have you ever had someone say those two words, only to keep doing the very same horrible thing they said they were sorry for?

Sometimes "I'm sorry" just means "forgive me?"

It doesn't really mean that they feel bad for what they did as much as they feel bad they got caught doing wrong.

To me "I'm sorry" should be accompanied by some sort of action greater than just an apology.

The verbal apology should be matched by future acts of contrition.

I don't think any of us believe that repentance only involves words.

Another thing that bugs me is when people hurt other people really, really bad and then make up some line about how they were "just joking."

"Just joking" is cover for "I don't care that I hurt you, and didn't even for a minute consider the implications of my actions and words."

Is it too much to ask that when an apology is made, people should really mean it?

Otherwise just shut up and move on. Your words are meaningless.

dizzyde 02-06-2008 02:19 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
Even worse are the apologies that aren't really even apologies;

"I'm sorry that you feel that way".

If anything ever makes me want to smack a person, it is those words.

stmatthew 02-06-2008 02:20 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 381794)
Even worse are the apologies that aren't really even apologies;

"I'm sorry that you feel that way".

If anything ever makes me want to smack a person, it is those words.

Well.........................I'm sorry that you feel that way. :toofunny

Nahum 02-06-2008 02:20 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 381794)
Even worse are the apologies that aren't really even apologies;

"I'm sorry that you feel that way".

If anything ever makes me want to smack a person, it is those words.

Yes, it puts the onus back on the one who has been hurt.

Nahum 02-06-2008 02:25 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
It's like when you're a kid and you get in a fight with your brother and your dad makes you shake hands and say I'm sorry.

You don't mean it.

Your brother doesn't mean it.

But Dad thinks it's the right thing to say, so you both say it.

To me, that sort of apology is meaningless.

George 02-06-2008 02:29 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 381797)
Well.........................I'm sorry that you feel that way. :toofunny

ROFL :toofunny

dizzyde 02-06-2008 02:39 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 381797)
Well.........................I'm sorry that you feel that way. :toofunny

I knew that one was coming, just waiting to see who would be the smart alec!! :toofunny :toofunny

dizzyde 02-06-2008 02:40 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 381798)
Yes, it puts the onus back on the one who has been hurt.

Exactly! :girlytantrum

MissBrattified 02-06-2008 02:49 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
I hate fake apologies!!!!! The worst ever: "I'm sorry that you think I ____________."

Don't even bother.

revrandy 02-06-2008 02:51 PM

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I don't care whether they are sorry or not....

I just forgive and get on with life...

It's too short to carry a grudge....

Just be kind to everybody...

Nahum 02-06-2008 02:52 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 381851)
I don't care whether they are sorry or not....

I just forgive and get on with life...

It's too short to carry a grudge....

Just be kind to everybody...

Apparently, you are a goody-two-shoes!

I'm sorry I am not PERFECT like you, Mr. Graham!:toofunny

MissBrattified 02-06-2008 02:56 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 381851)
I don't care whether they are sorry or not....

I just forgive and get on with life...

I think this is easier said than done, but of course it can be done. It's just a lot easier when folks say they're sorry, and really mean it. It's disarming, even for the most heinous offenses.

Quote:

It's too short to carry a grudge....

Just be kind to everybody...
Do good to those who despitefully use you and persecute you? I'm for that. But don't be so quick to let those who owe apologies off the hook.

revrandy 02-06-2008 03:04 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 381860)
I think this is easier said than done, but of course it can be done. It's just a lot easier when folks say they're sorry, and really mean it. It's disarming, even for the most heinous offenses.



Do good to those who despitefully use you and persecute you? I'm for that. But don't be so quick to let those who owe apologies off the hook.

Why not??

Jesus simply said...Turn the the other cheek....

I refuse to carry someone else's problems..it's unfair to me..#1...unfair to my wife...and my kids....and to my other friends...

I am not cheapening any body's experience...because there are terrible things that happen...and sometimes only forgiveness comes by the Grace of God....but for the petty things....money.....whatever....it ain't going to matter what's done is done... am I sad for those things...yep....

Attitude is all about choice... I just prefer not to dwell on what will pull me down....It's not worth it... So I wake up...smile at my wife....and my kids...and get on with life...

MissBrattified 02-06-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 381872)
Why not??

Jesus simply said...Turn the the other cheek....

I refuse to carry someone else's problems..it's unfair to me..#1...unfair to my wife...and my kids....and to my other friends...

I am not cheapening any body's experience...because there are terrible things that happen...and sometimes only forgiveness comes by the Grace of God....but for the petty things....money.....whatever....it ain't going to matter what's done is done... am I sad for those things...yep....

Attitude is all about choice... I just prefer not to dwell on what will pull me down....It's not worth it... So I wake up...smile at my wife....and my kids...and get on with life...

I don't mean those who have offended you personally! LOL!!! But in a setting of a discussion...you should spend just as much time encouraging folks to apologize for wrongdoing as you do others to practice forgiveness. Both are necessary for Christians to live a victorious life! Folks can't go around offending everyone, never making it right, and expect to have a good relationship with God. (Assuming those offenses aren't unintentional.)

Of course attitude is a choice! But the choice can be easy or difficult based on your circumstances. God helps us rise above our circumstances, and make the right choices.

COOPER 02-06-2008 03:18 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 381851)
I don't care whether they are sorry or not....

I just forgive and get on with life...

It's too short to carry a grudge....

Just be kind to everybody...

Atta Boy!~

Rev 02-06-2008 03:52 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 381872)
Why not??

Jesus simply said...Turn the the other cheek....

I refuse to carry someone else's problems..it's unfair to me..#1...unfair to my wife...and my kids....and to my other friends...

I am not cheapening any body's experience...because there are terrible things that happen...and sometimes only forgiveness comes by the Grace of God....but for the petty things....money.....whatever....it ain't going to matter what's done is done... am I sad for those things...yep....

Attitude is all about choice... I just prefer not to dwell on what will pull me down....It's not worth it... So I wake up...smile at my wife....and my kids...and get on with life...

Very well said. And you won't get ulcers in the mean time. At least not for that.

Rev 02-06-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 381897)
Atta Boy!~

(Luk 23:34) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:

freeatlast 02-06-2008 04:01 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
I'm told to forgive when my brother sins against me.....not, forgive when he apologizes.

Many times I have had to just let it go and forget it.

Michael Phelps 02-06-2008 04:04 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 381976)
I'm told to forgive when my brother sins against me.....not, forgive when he apologizes.

Many times I have had to just let it go and forget it.

Bro. Tenney tells of a lady who's husband left her with several kids and quite a few bills. She came to church, and the pastor could tell she was having a hard time letting go of her bitterness, she was struggling to worship, etc.

One night at the altar, he saw her hunched over, fists clenched, crying.........no joy, no release. He knelt down beside her, and said, "Sister, you're going to have to forgive your husband".

She whirled around, and thru clenched teeth said, "He doesn't DESERVE to be forgiven!"

The wise pastor said, "No, but YOU do.......and until you forgive him, God can't forgive you."

She broke down and began to sob and let it all go at the altar.........and finally found peace in her own mind.

Timmy 02-06-2008 04:11 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 381976)
I'm told to forgive when my brother sins against me.....not, forgive when he apologizes.

Many times I have had to just let it go and forget it.

God doesn't forgive us, unless we repent (apologize), right? Why would he expect us to? Also, consider:

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

(Just throwing it out for discussion!)

retsambeW 02-06-2008 04:53 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
I remember when I was a teen, that my pastor used to tell us if someone was hurt at us, and we were not sure the reason, we should go to them and say something like, "If I have said or done anything to hurt you, please forgive me."

Hogwash.

Do you have any idea how many times I have heard the "if" deal?

What do you mean, "if"?

I have replied to many an insincere apology by saying, You know whether or not you hurt me. What do you mean if?

I realize that some are truly repentant, and some actuallly did not know. But there is a certain...tone...that comes with insincerity.

If.

Hogwash.

stmatthew 02-07-2008 02:20 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 381828)
I knew that one was coming, just waiting to see who would be the smart alec!! :toofunny :toofunny

Is it I??????????????????


:bliss

dizzyde 02-07-2008 02:25 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 382884)
Is it I??????????????????


:bliss



:congrats :stars



:smack :toofunny :toofunny

rgcraig 02-07-2008 02:27 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by retsambeW (Post 382022)
I remember when I was a teen, that my pastor used to tell us if someone was hurt at us, and we were not sure the reason, we should go to them and say something like, "If I have said or done anything to hurt you, please forgive me."

Hogwash.

Do you have any idea how many times I have heard the "if" deal?

What do you mean, "if"?

I have replied to many an insincere apology by saying, You know whether or not you hurt me. What do you mean if?

I realize that some are truly repentant, and some actuallly did not know. But there is a certain...tone...that comes with insincerity.

If.

Hogwash.

I agree. And, sometimes they are only sorry they got caught - not for what they did - lol!

Timmy 02-07-2008 02:29 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 381987)
God doesn't forgive us, unless we repent (apologize), right? Why would he expect us to? Also, consider:

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

(Just throwing it out for discussion!)

Thoughts, anyone?

StillStanding 02-07-2008 02:31 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
A true apology starts with "I was wrong for............".

You must show responsibility for the wrong!

rgcraig 02-07-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 382894)
Thoughts, anyone?

I agree "if he repents" - - but, sometimes just saying "I'm sorry" if not said with sincerity is hollow.

dizzyde 02-07-2008 02:34 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 382896)
I agree "if he repents" - - but, sometimes just saying "I'm sorry" if not said with sincerity is hollow.

True!

Real repentance involves change, whether of the heart, or of actions.

It is very easy to say "sorry" to get someone off your back, but unless it is done with sincerity, IMO it is worthless.

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 02:37 PM

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So many times they are just sorry they got caught and their sins caught up with them. You can usually tell if the I am sorry is real or fake...it is usually fake if they have something to gain by saying their sorry words...

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 02:42 PM

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I remember a message I preached on insincere repentance.

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 02:44 PM

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Sometimes people get the idea they can hide thiings from God...however both God and the Devil has a way of letting your sins find you out.

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 02:46 PM

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Another thing you learn in life dealing with people those that hide sin one time, unless fully repented of they have a tendency to do it again and again...

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 02:48 PM

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We must pray for godly sorrow...and real repentance.

dizzyde 02-07-2008 02:49 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 382924)
Another thing you learn in life dealing with people those that hide sin one time, unless fully repented of they have a tendency to do it again and again...

That is so true, and generally if someone is hiding sin, if they are only repentant when they are found out, they really aren't repenting, they are just sorry they got caught. I lived with someone like that for years.

Sister Alvear 02-07-2008 04:46 PM

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Over the years I have seen it happen and happen...It is true that we all make mistakes and I sure have made my share however when the sorry's or just to save face...the grief for the person is much greater on down the road.
What many people do not understand true repentance takes correction and many times eats humble pie over and over until proven that repentance is true. I spoke about this today to one of my sons he was talking about how people mess up and then get mad if the church doesn't believe in them right off the bat...

Some people will never really be sorry for their sins they will compare their sins to the sins of others making excuses for themselves..which is so human...but not the way to recover.

I have seen people make terrible mistakes and seen God restore them to high heights however the proud and unrepentant will be brought down and great is the fall.

Tina 02-07-2008 05:30 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 382895)
A true apology starts with "I was wrong for............".

You must show responsibility for the wrong!

Wasn't it you that had a thread once about the right way to apologize? I think it was you... I just don't remember which forum it was posted on.

Neck 02-07-2008 05:50 PM

Re: The Meaninglessness of "I'm Sorry."
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 381771)
Have you ever had someone tell you "I'm sorry" that wasn't? Have you ever had someone say those two words, only to keep doing the very same horrible thing they said they were sorry for?

Sometimes "I'm sorry" just means "forgive me?"

It doesn't really mean that they feel bad for what they did as much as they feel bad they got caught doing wrong.

To me "I'm sorry" should be accompanied by some sort of action greater than just an apology.

The verbal apology should be matched by future acts of contrition.

I don't think any of us believe that repentance only involves words.

Another thing that bugs me is when people hurt other people really, really bad and then make up some line about how they were "just joking."

"Just joking" is cover for "I don't care that I hurt you, and didn't even for a minute consider the implications of my actions and words."

Is it too much to ask that when an apology is made, people should really mean it?

Otherwise just shut up and move on. Your words are meaningless.

Most often in Business "I'm sorry means that they do not see things your way"..

"I'm Sorry means it's your problem".

"I'm sorry, but!"

Praxeas 02-07-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 382895)
A true apology starts with "I was wrong for............".

You must show responsibility for the wrong!

What if someone does not believe they were wrong but they are sorry for the fact the other person feels offended and they want to try to make things better? They can't actually just say "Hey I know I was wrong" and not be a liar.

Arphaxad 02-07-2008 07:49 PM

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Bah, people are sorry only when their caught.



ARPH :doggyrun

Praxeas 02-07-2008 07:53 PM

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Some people are sorry the other person was hurt but genuinely don't feel they did anything wrong.


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