Anyone Here Believe In Soul Sleep?
 

Defined like this:

At death we do not go straight to Heaven and stand before Yeshua. Rather we go to the grave where we "sleep" or wait until the resurrection. Then we are raised from death and receive eternal life.

Dont know if I am up to a full debate of it right now but interested to know if anyone else believes it. Thanks

The Biblical term for soul sleep is actually simply the resurrection of the dead. Anyone besides me embrace it?

This is what I have been taught. I have never thought of it any other way.

Ephesians 5:14
Therefore He says: “ Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.”
Ephesians 5:13-15 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-15 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 4 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-7 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 5:7
For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
1 Thessalonians 5:6-8 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 5:10
who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 5 (Whole Chapter)

Never heard of it.

As my grandmother was slipping from this life to eternal life, she said "I hear them singing" and we asked her who and she said the angels!

I can't believe she was going to sleep.

I am split I guess. I do believe the saved when they die go into the presence of God and SLEEP they do not cease to exist but rather rest until the resurrection where God rejoins the body and soul one asleep in Heaven the other asleep in the grave.

I would probably agree with this except to say "spirit" instead of soul sleeping in Heaven. Their active life does cease to exist but it will seem like just a moment, a twinkling of an eye until the resurrection.

Good. And does your Pastor teach it like this?

I agree with you.

Plus folks that have died and come back talk about seeing folks in heaven, if they were asleep, how could they see and talk to them?

That is interesting Elder.

What the story of the Rich Man & Lazarus?
Lazarus was comforted while the Rich Man was tormented.
They both didn't seem to be in soul sleep.

When a person dies, they are taken to the Resurrection. They have no conscious awareness of any passage of time.

Thus, TO US, they "sleep" but TO THEM, they immediately go to the Resurrection.

God does not inflict eternal punishment upon people BEFORE the Final Judgement.

I think you are wrong on that.

Remember the rich man wanted a touch of water from Lazarus.

I have heard this taught as being correct.... against soul sleep....

I do believe in soul sleep. My father was a big teacher of this belief back in the 1970's. I will try and find his sermon tape on it.

Nathan Eckstadt

If I can find my father's teaching's on this it may enlighten folks on the story of Lazarus and the Rich man...

He was a teacher who believed in Soul Sleep.

Nathan Eckstadt

So what is the point of the Final Judgement, then?

the Final Judgement formally handles the paperwork regarding a person's eternal reward.... in the most basic sense....

ROFL!!!

Funny.

Wrong, but funny nevertheless.

:heeheehee

Exactly my sentiments.

I have heard it said like this.
A man goes and commits Murder, the Police arrest him and put him in jail (Hell).
The man is held there until he is brought before the Judge.
The Judge pronounces Sentence then sends him to Prison(Lake of Fire) to serve
out his sentence.

So you think hell and the lake of fire are two different places?

Yes, most definitely.
Revelation says that Death & Hell were cast into the Lake of Fire.

Question-how can Death be cast into the Lake of Fire?:D

Maybe it means the power of death???

Or maybe Death is a Spirit?

God speaks of the Death Angel passing through Egypt.
Maybe there is something to this Grim Reaper thing.

Jesus took the "keys" to death, hell and the grave.

A spirit is interesting.

yes. it is another name for the heritics that find hell to hot to believe in.

I have no idea. He has been my pastor for a year and I have never heard him talk about the resurrection.

I have been taught by my father, and by my pastor that saints that die, do not go immediately to heaven- they are asleep, waiting for the trumpet to sound...


I, too believe that Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different things. Hell is a place of utter darkness, and the Lake of Fire is where you will burn forever and ever, and the fire cannot be quenched...

When we die wouldn't our concept of time and space will be altered. Eternity is a different dimension then we exist in now. So to die and sleeping, to the living might be hundreds or thousands of years, but to the dead it could be the blink of an eye.

in addition to the plague of the death of the firstborn...

Death angel slew 70,000 Israelites (1 Chronicles 21)
Death angel slew 185,000 Assyrians (Isaiah 37)

Like Purgatory?

Jerry Moon

Why did Paul say we are willing to be absent from the body to present with The Lord?

How do you get Purgetory from what I said?

Perhaps Paul was speaking about being absent from THIS body (the natural body)?

After all, he specifically stated we do not desire to be "unclothed", but rather clothed upon with immortality... which also indicates that we do not receive the fullness of immortality until we are clothed upon with it, which is the resurrection...

Re: Anyone Here Believe In Soul Sleep?
 

Soul sleep? Interesting! I will have to admit also, that Saul disturbed (disquieted) Samuel through the Witch of Endor. So, the idea of soul sleep does have merit.

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Yes that is the answer.

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i know one thing. the heatherns in my church are not only asleep they are dead. But they will get to heaven first "the dead in Christ shall rise first"

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Yes, Mike, I believe that is the biblical docrine. Thankfully, my pastor teaches it like this as well.

Re: Anyone Here Believe In Soul Sleep?
 

I do and I know my father John Eckstadt taught it. He was taught it by F.E. Curts.

My dads close friend Frank J Tamel also teaches it and has a book called.

Between death and eternity.

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Was it the witch of Endor an evil spirit. You simply can not prove one with the other.

Otherwise could we talk to the dead in christ?

Don't the catholics pray to them?