Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 383406)

yet another conservative contemplating a suicide vote . . .

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383831)

Yep. I reason it this way ...

I don't like McCain. Haven't voted for him since he turned me off in 2000 ... probably will never vote for him again. It's not so much the "Straight Talk Express" as it is the "Forked Tongue Express" that McCain is on.

I'd vote for Obama, but not Hillary - so my suicide vote has its limits. With Congress being somewhat even and with Republicans working better as the minority than the majority - Obama couldn't do much to mess things up. Certainly no more than what they are already.

If there is any kind of pause or second-thinking it's only because of the Supreme Court and the fact the next Prez will likely be choosing 3 replacements. As terrible as it is, I'd rather have McCain choose them than Obama.

We'll see what happens. Romney only suspended his campaign, which I've read is different than completely dropping out. He may be rope-a-doping the Huckster, hoping good ole Huck will call it quits too. Then Romney could come back, get the conservative votes/delegates Huckster's taken from him and give McCain a more competitive race.

JMO

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 383839)

You gotta be kidding me!!! Not voting Conservative. That is almost as bad as the magic hair thing. All joking aside, I would think that you would vote for him. He will do a great job. I could vote for Obama, though I think that he has a hidden agenda. I am not sure what it is, but kinda get the feeling. I would not want Clinton in the White House, but IF Bill was responsible for the good economy from his terms then she might not be bad to that point, but I can not vote for her.

Huckabee, I would vote him all the way. I was going to vote Romney, I like him, but if he does not get back in then I am not sure what I will do actually.

At least it won't be John Kerry!

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383851)

Now, just because I'd vote for BO doesn't mean I agree at all with his politics. I don't. He's for universal healthcare, pro-choice, pro-illegal immigration by pushing for the acceptance of drivers licenses for illegals and a bunch of other things that I don't agree with.

I may love his speaking ability, but his poetic speeches aren't enough. I'd only vote for him instead of McCain or the Huckster. Shoot, I'd vote for Hillary over the Huckster.

:stirpot

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 383876)

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383851)

Now, just because I'd vote for BO doesn't mean I agree at all with his politics. I don't. He's for universal healthcare, pro-choice, pro-illegal immigration by pushing for the acceptance of drivers licenses for illegals and a bunch of other things that I don't agree with.

I may love his speaking ability, but his poetic speeches aren't enough. I'd only vote for him instead of McCain or the Huckster. Shoot, I'd vote for Hillary over the Huckster.

:stirpot

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383903)

Whoa there, scotty ... I think you're obviously assuming too much.

1). McCain, who is my main target and reason for thinking about being a suicide voter - he's no preacher. LoL Unless you have more information than what I've seen online.

2). I don't "obviously have a personal problem with preachers." Think a bit before posting something like this next time. I have no personal vendetta against preachers. I have a father and brother and many close friends who are either pastors or some form of minister.

3). If, before hastily creating a foolish post, you actually took a tic to ask why I am so against Huckabee becoming Prez, you'd find out it's more than just him being a preacher, albeit I wouldn't want a preacher in the White House. Beyond that, is the fact that Huckster is a freewheeling, big-government, tax and spend fiscal moderate/liberal who would make Bush's spending habits look amateur.

So there it is. LoL There's no personal grudge against preachers ... just a matter of political disagreement.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383831)

Yep. I reason it this way ...

I don't like McCain. Haven't voted for him since he turned me off in 2000 ... probably will never vote for him again. It's not so much the "Straight Talk Express" as it is the "Forked Tongue Express" that McCain is on.

I'd vote for Obama, but not Hillary - so my suicide vote has its limits. With Congress being somewhat even and with Republicans working better as the minority than the majority - Obama couldn't do much to mess things up. Certainly no more than what they are already.

If there is any kind of pause or second-thinking it's only because of the Supreme Court and the fact the next Prez will likely be choosing 3 replacements. As terrible as it is, I'd rather have McCain choose them than Obama.

We'll see what happens. Romney only suspended his campaign, which I've read is different than completely dropping out. He may be rope-a-doping the Huckster, hoping good ole Huck will call it quits too. Then Romney could come back, get the conservative votes/delegates Huckster's taken from him and give McCain a more competitive race.

JMO

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 383886)

Personal Opinion Coming Up.


If you think you may be offended then skip this post.


This is only my opinion.


STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T VOTE!!!!!!!!!




thank you for your patience and understanding in the need to air out this opinion. Any offense to the above statement was unintentional.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 383926)

CR I can not believe you at all? You would be better served by voting for the 'Huckster' as you call him. It will be a much better economy that it is now. He has great ideas. Before you commit a suicide vote think about the kids that look up to you. A suicide would make them think differently about you. LOL. I think that BO is a good democratic canidate, but you ain't a democrat! You are a card carring memember of the elephant group. I can not believe what you are thinking about doing....our friendship is OVER! *TIC*

Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 384040)

The thing to do now is to focus on the house and senate races this year. We need to accept that we are not going to get a conservative president because there isn't one in the running. We need to inject the congress with as many conservatives as possible to help keep the new prez in check, and we need to start keeping a sharper eye on our state representatives' voting records so we can identify the true conservatives to promote when they run for U.S. offices in the future. The movement can be rebuilt but it isn't going to happen overnight.

As much as I hate to say it, if a Dem is in the white house at least the Republican legislators will know they ought to resist the socialist efforts. They will be in a party loyalty conundrum if they are trying to resist McCain's socialist (or at least non-conservative) efforts.

The points about judicial appointments are well taken, as is the response to the quip that it takes a Carter to produce a Reagan: Carter gave us an ascendant nuclear Islamist Iran. It's not an easy choice and we conservatives have ourselves to blame. We were warned that if we sat out the 2006 house elections in protest, we would get a McCain type nominated for prez. Boy does that one smart.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383253)

McCain - Rino - not voting for him. Besides the oft-noted fact that he's a hot-headed jerk who turned conservatives off back in the 2000 race when he spoke against Falwell and religious right - the guy is too old. If I'm running against McCain, I'd be getting his health records and making an issue out of his age and temper.

Huckabee - Good grief, no. Bad would be having Hillary as Prez, worse would be having the Huckster. The last thing we need is a preacher as president. I'm sure that's not going to be popular here, but think about how some act when given a little power over their congregation and then multiply that by being the leader of an entire country.

Paul - I like RP. Too bad he doesn't have a chance to compete in a Republican primary. His support comes mostly from Indie voters who aren't allowed to vote during the primary -- at least not where I live. I went to cast my vote for him the other day and was greeted by a sign that reminded me that my being a registered Indie voter disallowed me from casting a vote. Sure, Paul has his faults, but for the most part - I agree with him far more than I agree with any other candidate.

Clinton - Bill would be back in the White House ... need I say more.

Obama - Tell you what, I love listening to this guy speak. He knows how to connect with the people and his speeches are, well, JFK and MLK Jr - esque. Too bad he's such a Liberal. Though if he wins the Donkey nomination, and McCain wins the Elephant nomination ... be hard to choose between the two. I imagine I'd either boycott the vote or vote Obama.

Yeah, I dislike McCain that much.

Good thread, thanks for the links.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 383903)

Whoa there, scotty ... I think you're obviously assuming too much.

Already shown the reason for assumption. See above

1). McCain, who is my main target and reason for thinking about being a suicide voter - he's no preacher. LoL Unless you have more information than what I've seen online.

2). I don't "obviously have a personal problem with preachers." Think a bit before posting something like this next time. I have no personal vendetta against preachers. I have a father and brother and many close friends who are either pastors or some form of minister.

Your the one who stated they would not be able to handle power as evidence of their practice over their congregations.

3). If, before hastily creating a foolish post, you actually took a tic to ask why I am so against Huckabee becoming Prez, you'd find out it's more than just him being a preacher, albeit I wouldn't want a preacher in the White House. Beyond that, is the fact that Huckster is a freewheeling, big-government, tax and spend fiscal moderate/liberal who would make Bush's spending habits look amateur.

Now, down to the good stuff, where is the facts or sources for this opinion.?

So there it is. LoL There's no personal grudge against preachers ... just a matter of political disagreement.

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 384678)

Ok , to explain my response to your post, lets look above.

First off, the only reason you gave for not supporting Huck is that he is a preacher, so what are we suppose to assume.

Now that I have went back and read the above, I find myself too soft on you. You see, there is not a single political issue listed above in your entire post. As you notice in bold there is just opinionated ramblings with no political, social, or any other issues to agree, disagree or debate. Your reasons given above for your vote this year is based on ones religion, ones temper and age, or that you agree with one but don't say what.

I stand by my statement. Do us all a favor and don't vote. If you are going to vote then at least educate yourself.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 384856)

*grin* Don't assume, scotty, it doesn't become you. No, I didn't get into a long, drawn out discussion on the issues - primarily because (if you noticed) links to their stances on the issues was already provided for in the first post. Guess that wasn't obvious enough for you ...

Let's delve into the issues, shall we ...

First up, McCain:

Iraq -
Quote from McCain on Iraq, from Tim Russert's Meet the Press: "Staying for 100 years OK, if US casualties are low." Sounds like commitment there. How many casualties are considered "low?"

For the most part, McCain's been steadfast on the Iraq War. This, besides out of control government spending, is his strongest card for conservatives.

Economy -
Quote from McCain: "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," he said. "I've got Greenspan's book." (New Hampshire)

One more, "The issue of economics is something that I've really never understood as well as I should. I understand the basics, the fundamentals, the vision, all that kind of stuff, but I would like to have someone I'm close to that really is a good strong economist. As long as Alan Greenspan is around I would certainly use him for advice and counsel."

Another great quote from McCain: "I'm going to be honest; I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." (Stephen Moore, 2005 WSJ Interview)

At least he's honest. :lol: "I've got Greenspan's book." Haha. Seriously!?! You know the Dem campaign against him will make this an issue. This is Kerry in the silly looking astronaut suit; Dean's yell, etc.

He voted against the Bush tax cuts, but now says he wants to make them permanent. Which is it? Back when the cuts were passed he lamented that they only benefit the wealthy and left out the middle class - yet now he thinks they're good enough to be made permanent!?!

Another flip-flop was with the minimum wage increase. Voted against it ... and then voted for it.

Immigration -
In Arizona, McCain's about as popular as fur coat at a PETA convention. His flip-flops on the issue of immigration are well documented, including his current 180 from last years' push w/Kennedy to legalize illegals in the US. Now he says he wants to secure the border first. Again, which is it? Making them legal first or securing the border?

Spending -
This is about the only area I can agree with McCain on. Government spending, including the multi-million dollar "bridge to nowhere," is out of control. If there's anything he's been consistent with, it on the issue of controlling spending and keeping the lobbyists' influence minimal. (Though one of his own senior staffers happens to be the head of a very successful and lucrative lobbying firm. shhhhh)

There's more that could be discussed, but you can find it for yourself.

Scotty, your sniveling complaints about my remarks on McCain's age and temperament do play a factor regardless. McCain's 71 years old (72 if voted the next Prez), which will make him the oldest Prez starting out. And you're flat out of your mind if you don't think it will be a campaign issue for the general election. Also, Dems could use the Bush campaign's Kerry flip-flop moniker against McCain. On many issues, he's been the 'Maverick,' ie played both sides.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 384885)

You'll notice under the spending portion, you posted, it solidly goes with what McCain said about voting against the tax cuts. He said they were not cutting spending costs and he wanted to have both, so he voted against them.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 384902)

Okay, so using that reasoning ... has Congress cut any spending costs to justify McCain's sudden desire to make the tax cuts permanent? We just had a, what?, 3.1 TRILLION dollar budget sent from Bush to Congress.

In it includes yet another increase for military spending, albeit we're dumbing down our kids by cuts to education; and we're crippling the economy and other areas with cuts to agriculture, transportation, the interior, etc.

So where are the cuts in spending to justify McCain's desire to make the tax cuts permanent? The record doesn't match the rhetoric.

:cowbell

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 384906)

I was under the impression he was going to deal with that under his presidency. That's what I heard him say, if I'm remembering correctly.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 384914)

That wouldn't make sense, given his reason for voting against it. Of course, it's McCain, so he doesn't have to make sense. He'll just mark it off as being a "Maverick" and leave it at that. *grin*

This just in ... Huck projected to win Kansas. (According to FoxNews) Looks like conservatives don't want McCain. But who are they kidding, really. Huck has virtually no chance to beat McCain. Only thing this does is embarrass McCain and put on record the difficulty he's going to have with conservatives.

Have a good rest-of-the-weekend. Yes, you too scotty. Be back on Monday.

:cowbell

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 384856)

*grin* Don't assume, scotty, it doesn't become you. No, I didn't get into a long, drawn out discussion on the issues - primarily because (if you noticed) links to their stances on the issues was already provided for in the first post. Guess that wasn't obvious enough for you ...

Let's delve into the issues, shall we ...

First up, McCain:

Iraq -
Quote from McCain on Iraq, from Tim Russert's Meet the Press: "Staying for 100 years OK, if US casualties are low." Sounds like commitment there. How many casualties are considered "low?"

Put it in context, he wasn't talking about the war lasting that long, he was talking about having troops present. You know like, Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Japan. Places we have had troops since WWI.

For the most part, McCain's been steadfast on the Iraq War. This, besides out of control government spending, is his strongest card for conservatives.

Economy -
Quote from McCain: "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," he said. "I've got Greenspan's book." (New Hampshire)

One more, "The issue of economics is something that I've really never understood as well as I should. I understand the basics, the fundamentals, the vision, all that kind of stuff, but I would like to have someone I'm close to that really is a good strong economist. As long as Alan Greenspan is around I would certainly use him for advice and counsel."

Another great quote from McCain: "I'm going to be honest; I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." (Stephen Moore, 2005 WSJ Interview)

At least he's honest. :lol: "I've got Greenspan's book." Haha. Seriously!?! You know the Dem campaign against him will make this an issue.

Not really, who do you think Bill Clinton got his on-the-job economics ed from?

This is Kerry in the silly looking astronaut suit; Dean's yell, etc.

He voted against the Bush tax cuts, but now says he wants to make them permanent. Which is it? Back when the cuts were passed he lamented that they only benefit the wealthy and left out the middle class - yet now he thinks they're good enough to be made permanent!?!

Yeah I know, funny isn't it. Kinda like he was saying for years that we needed more troops in Iraq and everyone laughed and threw tomatoes at him, yet now that it's working everyone is on board. lol . yeah I get it.

Another flip-flop was with the minimum wage increase. Voted against it ... and then voted for it.

Immigration -
In Arizona, McCain's about as popular as fur coat at a PETA convention. His flip-flops on the issue of immigration are well documented, including his current 180 from last years' push w/Kennedy to legalize illegals in the US. Now he says he wants to secure the border first. Again, which is it? Making them legal first or securing the border?

Spending -
This is about the only area I can agree with McCain on. Government spending, including the multi-million dollar "bridge to nowhere," is out of control. If there's anything he's been consistent with, it on the issue of controlling spending and keeping the lobbyists' influence minimal. (Though one of his own senior staffers happens to be the head of a very successful and lucrative lobbying firm. shhhhh)

There's more that could be discussed, but you can find it for yourself.

Scotty, your sniveling complaints about my remarks on McCain's age and temperament do play a factor regardless. McCain's 71 years old (72 if voted the next Prez), which will make him the oldest Prez starting out. And you're flat out of your mind if you don't think it will be a campaign issue for the general election. Also, Dems could use the Bush campaign's Kerry flip-flop moniker against McCain. On many issues, he's been the 'Maverick,' ie played both sides.

Now for Huck ...

I didn't mention anything about Huckleberry because he was mentioned in passing ... as a footnote to a post about McCain.

This will be brief, as I'm getting bored with playing this game of "what do you know about (insert candidate's name here)." Most of this is from the Cato Institute, a highly regarded source of information. (lol , by who?)

• Sanctioned by the Arkansas Ethics Commission 5 times - narrowly escaped sanctioning 9 other times. His ethical record is less than to be desired. Should he, by some miracle, become the nominee - look for the Dems to connect Huckabee's ethics with the current corruption in Congress. Yes , you should have been here for that, we here in Arkansas loved it. Mainly because it was brought out by Democrats.
• Increased the tax burden 47 percent. The average state tax increase during his term was 62%, he did better than most
  
• Biggest tax cut was about $15,000 (His tax increases were a little more than $500 million) The tax rate was the same when he left office as it was when he entered. Two of the largest tax increases were the road tax(which we arkansans voted for) and a tax forced on us by an Arkansas Supreme Court ruling in order to pay for Hillary's left over education system. Both were repealed when the job was done. As I said, all taxes were repealed once their purpose was done.
  
• Big Government? Spending during his term increased 65 percent (three times the rate of inflation). Gov't workers increased 20% and debt increased to nearly $1 Billion. (yes, that's BILLION with a "B"). Have no idea where this one come from, Huckster left office with our state in a $8.4 million surplus.
  
• Huck wants the government to fund, direct and control - art and music programs in schools. Federal funding = higher taxes. Beats the heck out of funding universal health care.
  
• About the only thing the Huckster is conservative about is being anti-abortion and anti-gay.

Now I imagine you'll respond with some retort of how that's not comprehensive enough for you, :blah: One needn't have to research more into Hucks record to find reasons to vote for the guy.

The reason most of my pastor/minister friends were infatuated with Huck to begin with was because he was a preacher. He uses the Bible in interviews and isn't afraid to invoke the name of Jesus during them either.

That's wonderful, it really is ... if he were running for the office of some religious organization. Unfortunately, when you pull back the curtains and go beyond his scripture quoting and use of cross-like images in campaign ads - there's very little for me, or any other fiscal conservative, to like about this candidate. Why not?!?! the other side shuns it like it's taboo but then want to tought it once they are in office. At least he is honest up front about it and I don't have to worry about what he is doing with a cigar in the oval office nor whether or not he knows the definition of "is"

Again, just my (apparently) uneducated opinion.

Apparently, We had the Huckster for 2 terms, re-elected twice, . I would hardly be supporting him if what you posted was actually true. Impressive study, just bad resources.


Beam me up, scotty.

Not ready for you, only intelligent life up here.

jk

:cowbell

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 384902)

Okay, so using that reasoning ... has Congress cut any spending costs to justify McCain's sudden desire to make the tax cuts permanent? We just had a, what?, 3.1 TRILLION dollar budget sent from Bush to Congress.

In it includes yet another increase for military spending, albeit we're dumbing down our kids by cuts to education; and we're crippling the economy and other areas with cuts to agriculture, transportation, the interior, etc.

So where are the cuts in spending to justify McCain's desire to make the tax cuts permanent? The record doesn't match the rhetoric.

:cowbell

Originally Posted by TalkLady (Post 383206)

This makes it very simple to KNOW some things about the candidates (until they flip flop):

REPUBLICANS

JOHN McCAIN:

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

MIKE HUCKABEE:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm

RON PAUL:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
I can't help it...I still have to include him. I do agree with him on some positions.

DEMOCRATS

HILLARY CLINTON

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

BARAK OBAMA

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm