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Which is worse, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib or dispensationalism?

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None!

If you ain't ready to go, it don't make a difference.
If you are, what's the worry!

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PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:happydance :preach :scripture

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Dispensationalism. All of the other stuff(pre, mid, post) come directly out of the heresy of Dispensationalism.

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I do not fight over either for we shall soon know...

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I don't fight people over prophecy,but I do have my opinions.
However God chooses to resurrect us,being prepared is most important.

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Obviously all the ones that are wrong are dangerous. To save time anything other than post trib.

Here Paul lets us know the truth.

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-6

Anyone teaching different than what he says here is deceiving the people.

a. Falling Away
b.Man of sin revealed.
c. Coming of Christ to gather elect.

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post is by far worse

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I. Don't. Care.

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If disp is wrong, then it makes a HUGE difference. There is no millennium in our future, since it is NOW. And if it is NOW, we better get off our behinds and start ruling by having revival, instead of waiting for evil to take over as though it must take over. ;)


By the way, one can be pre mid or post trib and STILL BE DISPENSATONALIST. :p

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Bro. I don't wait for evil to take over--but it is.
Although not bfor the reasons you think.

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The fact is dispensationalism encourages people to not rule and reign now since we are not yet kings, (although Rev 1:5-6 says we are, and Eph 2:5-6 says we are seated with Christ NOW on the throne), and WAIT to rule after the rapture. Disp teaches that EVIL MUST rise and take over the world because the rapture cannot take place until certain evil things begin to occur. Preterism teaches God left us in this world to overcome it, and not let it take over with its evil. :)

Disp makes prophecy into something people are not interested in because they think it is after the church is raptured anyway, so who cares?

Shouldn't a viewpoint that makes us say "Who cares?" about an entire book of the Bible (Revelation), be subject to a high level of scrutiny?

Preterism on the other hand, for example, says the New Jerusalem is NOW and we must rule in this CHURCH city, and makes prophecy VERY relevant today because if Most of Rev is fulfilled already, the New Jerusalem needs to pump out the rivers of living water and see her kings and priests rule now! :)

Anyone must admit that if they believed most of Rev was fulfilled, and that we are NOW in the New Jerusalem, (Heb 12:22), then they would treat their Christian lives much more differently than Dispensationalism influences them to live. It changed me! I became more serious and on fire for working for God NOW.

I do not think this is an issue of fellowship, and love futurists as much as preterists. lol. My thoughts, anyway. :)

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The problem is that both preterists and futureist are man made. Dispensationalism, preterism, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, all man made. The scipture says JESUS IS RETURNING and NOONE KNOWS WHEN.

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Verses Apostle Paul

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-5

Its a knockout in Pauls favor.

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PREACH!!!!!!!!!

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The future coming of Jesus, agreed. But Jesus said he would come in the lifetimes of the people living in His day.

That was a past fulfillment. But He is still coming in our future. No one knows when.

So your issue of no one knowing when Jesus comes is really moot. Preterists never said we know when Jesus is coming. If we say we do not know when he is coming, why claim we are wrong because no one knows when he is coming?

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A big Amen.

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Amen! :)

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Putting in my - AMEN!!!!

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And, a big Amen!

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Why the amen? Everyone knows that Christ's coming is unknown. All groups included. :D

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We don't know the day or hour of Jesus return but we do know the season.

Luke.21
[1] And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
[2] And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
[3] And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
[4] For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
[5] And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[6] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[7] And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
[8] And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
[9] But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
[10] Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
[11] And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
[12] But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
[13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
[14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
[15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
[16] And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
[17] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
[18] But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
[19] In your patience possess ye your souls.
[20] And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
[21] Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
[23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
[24] And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
[25] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
[26] Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
[27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
[28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
[29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
[33] Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
[34] And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Yeah, that coming was in the generation who heard Jesus tell them about it.


He told the people YOU YOU YOU.

But the coming of the Lord in the rapture of the church is in our future and no man knows when that will occur.

...my honest opinion.

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dont matter, just got to be ready, love that bear, mfblume, lol,dt:tvhappy

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Pretty weak Bro. All the EPISTLES also say YOU. Were THEY only for THEM? Are they NOT relevant to US?

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First to them, and then to us.... we have to understand them as they understood them to understand what was being said...

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I have to wonder when you make that statement, do you not think that the early church understood this when it was given to them?

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MF,That is another one of the preterist lies,He was talking to the church and all these you's and generation is the church.

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Here is a article on dispensationalism.
Read it for yourself and compare it with the Bible.
http://theologicalstudies.org/dispen.html

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If Luke 21: happened back then,When did this take place ? [27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
[28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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I'm not looking for a debate but doesn't the bible use symbolic imagery in places ?

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Scott,No offence but I don't read all them man theological studies. The Holy Ghost teaches me all truth and is no lie.1John.2
[21] I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Math.24 is the same account as Luke 21 and some things is a little clearer.When did the underlined take place ? It didn't.

Math.24:1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you(THE CHURCH), There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you(THE CHURCH).
5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6: And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8: All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9: Then shall they deliver you (THE CHURCH)up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10: And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11: And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.(THIS IS HAPPENING TO DAY WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE TELLING LIES)
12: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. THIS DIDN"T TAKE PLACE BACK AROUND 70 AD.)
15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25: Behold, I have told you before.
26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28: For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32: Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34: Verily I say unto you, This generation (THE CHURCH GENERATION)shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37: But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39: And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40: Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41: Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42: Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43: But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44: Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45: Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46: Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47: Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48: But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49: And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50: The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51: And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Lucky you. Funny how others also ask the HG to teach them, yet they arrive at a different "truth".

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POST OF THE DAY RIGHT HERE!

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Again?! LOL!

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One more and you will have reached the number of the blessed trinity :toofunny

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:lol

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1John.4
[5] They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
[6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

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The church did not even exist then yet. lol

You take the cake, bro.