Why does it seem that men are obsessed here.......
 

......with women's clothing and what they wear and how they wear it and when they wear it and.........

I think some of you menfolk are quite strange.

I can't imagine being on a thread about men's dress and commenting about things I know nothing about as if I do.

Honestly, some of you have something wrong upstairs. I'm serious here. I think there are quite a few of you who need to pray and ask God to get your eyes off other women and what they are wearing and how they are wearing it. Some of you men notice more about women's clothing than the women do!

Anyone who has been around here knows that when it comes to women's clothing issues, there are more men commenting on those threads than women. Just look at the latest women's holiness thread!!

Some of you have a problem and need to seek God. Bad.

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And God Bless you too Joy !!!

















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Not feeling a wee bit guilty, are ya Mark?

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No not at all. why?? did my thread about standards strike a nerve with you????? ummmmm
you know good and well all the way back from FCF on we've hashed out standards and now it becomes some kind of strange obsession of men/??

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PREACH!

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I think that the interest may be because women have the majority of the Holiness Standards, men don't have that much to worry about for themselves...We are known by our outward dress...I have a niece in Tampa and I told her that the GC was coming and the first thing that she said was, those Ladies will stick out like a sore thumb...

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I've always said it was strange. I just can't figure out why men care what women they don't even know wear on a daily basis and measure their validity to the pearly gates by it!!

Seriously, there are men on this forum who need to pray about their obsession with women's clothing and keep their eyes off women in the church that aren't their wives.

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Can't. Women preachers are forbidden.....LOL!

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But why are more men than women commenting on the standards? That's what I don't understand. Why do the men even care??? LOL!

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O whatever.to imply that men who discuss the dress rules are obsessed with them in a sexual manner is an insult

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Mark, put your bifocals on. I said nothing about sexual manner in my posts.

But I stand by the notion that there are men obsessed with women's clothing on this forum. I think that's wrong.

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Because if the women fail us in this area it will change the course of the doctrine, the anointing and culture of the entire movement.

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Do YOU really believe that?

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How women dress will change Acts 2:38?

I have to wonder what they do in other countries where men don't wear pants and the women don't wear dresses!! Hell in a handbasket, I'm sure!!

And there is no anointing, of course. It all falls depending on how the women dress!!

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I have to wonder if she'd have felt that if she were physically blind..........

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I have to wonder what visible aspect of the UPC the Acts church had....or the Galatian church.....the Corinthian church.....the Thessalonian church.....

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Yes, i believe that it would be the same if she was blind or not.

It was more in the attitude of why it was being done. The attitude of the church changed along with the standards. When they started letting things go out the door, it allowed a spirit and an attitude to come in.

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I think men and women should wear long robes that don't show their shape.

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Yelp,I got something wrong upstairs,I don't have one.

:anonymous

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Whether you can see it or not, there is something about a women who upholds the standard holiness look that is very appealling to men. The wholesome, natural beauty coupled with the Holy Ghost is something that many men would miss tremendously if one day our churches were void of such women. In addition, women with more liberal ideas of dress should take heart that there were just as many men who would be attracted them as well.

It boils down to our particular "type" which whether we admit to it or not we all have... We just need to be careful that our admiration and attraction doesn't cause us to stumble/sin or offend others.

Also, many men were probably more at ease about discussing undergarments and such because they have wives, daughters and a house full of female family members and it was just a part of their home lives. There isn't anything wrong with men commenting on those things as long as it is done with the right spirit.

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I would have to admit that there was a lot of truth to the statements that KarenJo posted above. I have witnessed it in more than one church and I didn't have any prejudices going into those services because of the changes that were made to their outward standards.

Perhaps, someone could start a thread so that others could tell of their own experiences with this subject matter.

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I'm wondering if perhaps the reason for this is because people have been taught that the way they dress = holiness. I'm also wondering what would happen if they were taught that holiness comes from (or is signified by) wearing a green hat. If they decided that they no longer want to (or believed in) wearing a green hat, would the "annointing" be different? IOW, is it a heart issue, or a dress/"standards" issue? Also, would it be a sign or a symptom?

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One church in particular went from the strictest dress standard to no standard at all literally overnight. I visited that church from the early 80's when the power of God was so strong it was life changing. I have visited that church off and on during the last 20 years and the last time was about a year and a half and I couldn't even identify it as adhering to any Apostolic doctrine. Once they did away with all standards, it appeared that worldliness crept into the church to where there was no real move of the Spirit of God.

In my opinion, the Lord does bless the sacrifices and the separation from the world which leads us to be less influenced by the deceiving spirits of this earth. Many churches have slowly eroded spiritually because the members have become lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. On the other side of the coin you have churches who have a man telling them who would go to heaven and what would keep them from heaven with little to no scriptural reference just a big ol pile of control and fear.

Church leaders should help those they serve develop a personal relationship with Christ so that he would influence them on matters of dress and modesty.

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Naw, to comment on what my wife wears for frillys is creepy and would get you a punch in the nose on the street. So don't do it in church either

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I'm upc, probably always will be, the most powerful service I have ever been in was NOT in a UPC church

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Some of the men obsessed with women's appearance might have some problems answering this simple question: "When was the last time you won a soul to the Lord?"

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I know when I speak of the standards and the pain they cause woman.

I speak from the hours of conversation with my wife.

So my thoughts are simply from her point of view.

I have seen so many avenues of growth.

Yes spiritual growth since her walk with God and relationship to the church is not solely defined by her allegiance to a sectarian greed.

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Men care about the salvation of women as well. Does it matter to you? How do you know that men care more about what someone else is wearing? Maybe men do have a problem with women who wear distracting clothes. Maybe some men realize their weakness and get frustrated at themselves because they can't ignore another woman. Why should a woman be allowed to be a stumbling block to men? I'm sure it goes both ways, but you are smart enough to know that men are visual by nature. So why get offended? Why get aggravated?

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The changes had nothing to do with what they were wearing and everything to do with their heart. I know, I shouldn't be so absolute about a church I haven't even visited. But I've seen it happen over and over and over again. It's not the clothes, it's not the outward, it's the inward that matters. For these people, the shift in outward was most likely something that followed a shift within. God doesn't care what people wear. You're not going to get one iota closer to God cuz you wear the right clothes than if you're naked. And you can stand afar off wearing everything right. It's not the clothes.

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You have got to be kidding me!!! Do some of you really believe that the anointing is directly proportional to how matronly the women look?

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Eastman, you brought up an excellent point regarding caring for women's salvation; however, placing the responsibility on the women to prevent men from lusting after them wouldn't be fair. You're far more likely to see immodestly dressed women going to and from work then you would ever see in a church whether that church be conservative or liberal.

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Come on, STM...back off...slow down...take a deep breath here... :girlytantrum

our OP ladies are often...

...more dedicated than our men to the work of God... :happydance

...more impacted by the teaching and preaching of "standards" than men... :happydance

...more intense prayer warriors than our men... :happydance

...more dedicated and faithful to church services than men... :happydance

...more stable emotionally and spiritually than our men... :happydance

Look at the average OP church choir and tell me where are the spiritual, dedicated men????

You ladies are a shining example of personal dedication and humility...as you faithful follow the teaching of His Word... thanks so much for that... :bemine

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So why don't men discuss issues pertaining to them and their "leadership" of their families? As the family goes, so the church goes....

To a point, I agree with HeavenlyOnes observations. Some men do have an obsession and a spiritual problem. Some, not all.

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I know you have been sent from God!!! Everyone loves you! Well, the men changed their minds, but we haven't!! :girlyluv :crazyluv

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HO, i dont care about this subject you dont hear me talkin about it do you, it is personal between ladies and god, but we are all admonished to be modest and appropriate, god judges us all , we need to all dress decent, men can be immodest too, however i do agree that i think in many cases it is a control issue, to bad, that is not godly at all, lol,dt:tvhappy

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good points, lady rev, very true, dt

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HO! What got in your craw?!!!! :toofunny:toofunny

Okay, true - I asked my husband if he noticed the women's hair in our churches. He said, "Yes, because we preach about it all the time." I slapped him and told him to stop looking! :happydance

I'm not sure men are obsessed by the topic. I haven't noticed it - okay - St. Mark, but who's counting? :toofunny

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The level of consecration may have changed when the dress code changed, but the anointing did not change because of the dress code.

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From my thread observations, if it weren't for "women" issues, this forum would basically be dead most of the time.

I think this is what HO has observed.

It gets old.