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Sin is directly connected to sickness many times.I think people have sickness in their life for trials, like Job and some have sickness to keep them from sinning as Paul did with the thorn in his flesh at first but I think sickness for these reasons, people are healed from. Then people who are sick because of sin in their life, they will be healed if they repent and stay repented.
James 5:13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

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Seems pretty sound.

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I know too many wonderful saints of God who have spent good amounts of time on a sickbed, and it had nothing to do with sin in their lives. Secondly, what about sick children? Are they ill because of sin?

Everyone dies and everyone suffers from sickness at some point in their life. It's part of the bane of humanity. Thank Adam and Eve for messing things up for us! :)

The day your baby is sick will be the day you know it isn't because of sin. It's just because. Christianity doesn't protect us from hardship. It doesn't protect us from illness. It just allows us to lean on Someone when we are weak or troubled.

The scripture you provided doesn't say that a man's sins are forgiven and then he is healed. It says that the "Lord shall raise him up; AND if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven...."

Where I will concede a small point is on the context of verse 16--I believe that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man is worth a lot--and that of an unrighteous man may not carry as much weight--therefore when a righteous man asks for healing, perhaps God is more likely to give to him than the unrighteous man. But then, I know that it rains on the just and the unjust...right?

I do also believe that there are natural consequences of sinful or imprudent living that affect ones health--when we treat our bodies badly with substances or a poor lifestyle, then we may be sick later in life. My father was a heavy smoker and drinker (and occasional drug user) before he was saved at age 39, and he still suffered the effects of those things later in life, even though he served God.

If a woman chooses to prostitute herself, and catches a disease, and then is converted...will she necessarily be healed of her disease? Maybe, maybe not. Some consequences do not go away just because God saves our soul.

But I'm not sure that God punishes sinners with illness. If that is the case, why aren't all the Christians thriving, and all the sinners dying young? Why are so many Christians sick and so many sinners healthy?

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Please note what I said to start with.Sin is directly connected to sickness many times.I think people have sickness in their life for trials, like Job and some have sickness to keep them from sinning as Paul did with the thorn in his flesh at first but I think sickness for these reasons, people are healed from. Then people who are sick because of sin in their life, they will be healed if they repent and stay repented.

Next,I'm 61 yrs. old and My three children never had any sickness much more then colds unill they got out of the church.Sence I got saved I never got sick other then colds untill I fell in sin and a couple of trials.When I get sick God shows me why I'm sick.Let me tell ya,If i'm sick because of sin,I stayed sick till I repented.

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Death and sickness entered the world thru sin. Sin brought a curse upon the Earth. Sickness will present itself to all of us. It's up to us to use the Spirit and the Word of God to defend ourselves and our families from it. God has no sickness to send to anyone. If God were to deal in sickness, His kingdon would be divided and it would not stand.

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In my opinion, based upon what I read in the Word I couldn't disagree more with the majority of the posts here.

First of all would we preach that sin will come into all of our lives after salvation or do we preach the blood of Jesus? Well, the same blood that washed us clean and redeemed us from the curse is the same blood that was shed for our healing (remember the stripes). Just as we have the ability to live sin free in Christ we have the ability to live sickness free in Christ. We are redeemed from the curse of the law. Sickness entered through sin, therefore if we don't sin satan has no access into our life.

We do not have to be sick. In fact, under the old covenant when the Israelites came out of Egypt (a type and shadow of our coming out of the world and into the promise of God) there was not one feeble one among them. We live in the new and better covenant how much more should we have the ability to be free from sickness through the stripes of Christ?

While I agree with the original post that many times sickness is a result of sin, which is why Jesus went around healing all those who were oppressed of the devil, not all sickness is caused be sin. We consume into our body all sorts of bad things through breathing and eating. However, we have been given power over this as the big guy's post stated. The just shall walk by faith. Most people's faith is reactionary. They will believe for healing after they are sick. What if people developed a proactive faith? Believe that sickness cannot come on you before it ever manifests?

I fly a lot...I never wait for a problem to believe for deliverance. Before I ever step foot on a plane I have prayed for it's pilots, mechanical aspects, that there would be no passengers that would cause harm, and that the weather would be good for flying. Proactive faith. I don't want to test my faith at 30,000 feet just like I don't want to test my faith with a malignant cancer.

Live right, live strong, live long...it's the promise of God!

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I thought about posting something on this subject- but, well, recent events might color my opinions to a degree. But I will say this... while my wife was in the hospital where she was operated on for a brain tumor, I really needed an encouraging word. Something to bolster my faith and spirits. Then I found a Gospel Tract written by an Apostolic preacher on the subject of Divine Healing. Just what I needed. Or so I thought.

One paragraph was dedicated to the promises of God to heal the sick. The rest of the tract was assessing blame on the sick for their sickness. Yes, sin can and does cause sickness. But sickness, like death, is a part of living. However, sickness doesn't always have to have a reason. Sometimes, it just is. So, instead of playing "pin the tail on the donkey", so to speak, we should be doing what Jesus said to do, healing the sick. And THAT is one reason for sickness that is carefully avoided. James urged the sick to call on the elders of the church. (James 5:14). Jesus said that believers would lay hands on the sick and they would recover. (Mark 16). He also said Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. Mat 17:21 Instead of blaming the sick for their problems, maybe we should look at ourselves as part of the problem. Have WE paid the price for the Miracle-working Power of God?

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I think that's really based on what we perceive.

I don't think it's true that saints of God are less sick or sick less often than sinner folks. We might think it's that way, but I think it's because we pay more attention to those aspects when in reality, it's not really different.

It's just like the full moon phenomenon. There really isn't anything more crazy during that phase but we will pay more attention to things that do happen when there is a full moon out.

Case in point.....today, my former pastor is in the hospital after having gall bladder surgery yesterday. I'm a heathen and in perfect health.

If the reverse were true, it wouldn't have anything to do with the status each of us have in the church. It's life. Life happens.

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Uummm, :hmmm :nah

I'll stand by my post, I truly believe saints of God, believers and doers of the Word are more blessed than "sinner folks". I know that it rains on the just and the unjust, but the scripture is full of "blessed are they that________" and it does not say that blessings are bestowed upon the unjust.

But I agree with the last part, nothing to do with our status in the church, but much to do with our status in the Spirit.

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Sometimes, things are not as they seem. I know sinner folks who are successful and have everything going for them in life. Nothing ever goes wrong and the sun is always shining.

I know church folks who have done nothing but struggle with finances, health, and life in general. They are praying folks who are always on their knees, but nothing ever seems to go right.

But I think of it this way....would they be on their knees if everything was going right? Maybe that's God's way of keeping them there.

I recently got something in an email about things not being as they seem.

There were two angels, one young and one old, who were on earth and they stopped at a mansion to rest for the night. The rich family refused to allow them in the house, but permitted them to stay in the cold basement.

The older angel noticed a hole in the wall of the basement and closed it, fixing it. The young angel asked why he'd do something so kind. The old angel told him that things aren't always as they seem.

They continued on their journey and stopped at a poor shack for the night. The old couple offered them their room and the angels slept in comfort.

The next morning, the old woman was crying. The milk cow, their only source of income, was dead.

The young angel was furious. He asked the old angel why he allowed that to happen. Things aren't always as they seem was the reply.

The young angel demanded an explanation. Why did he do a nice act for the man who refused them nice shelter but allow such a bad thing to happen to the ones who were so kind to them?

The old angel explained that he fixed the hole in the wall because there was gold hidden in it, and he didn't want the rich man to find it because he would keep it to himself.

And the cow? The death angel came for the wife so the angel offered him the cow instead.

Some things aren't as they seem.

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I once knew a lady who ended a friendship with someone she had loved very dear as a friend.

The lady didnt go to the friend and asked for her to explain what had been said that was totally taken out of context. She hadnt been able to hear for herself in the tone and expression it was said but she only took the worst of what she had heard and ran with it thinking her friend had said terrible things about her.

When all was said and done she decided to end a dear friendship that could have been prevented. Things said are not always as told or preceived so we must be careful not to act hastilly in a situation.

Dont ask me where this came from but I felt to say it.

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Thanks, Raven. :) My parents sure tried to make sure I turned out right! I think I've frustrated them a lot...LOL!!!

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I appreciate this post. When I read this thread, I immediately thought of Sister Priscilla McGruder who is now going through cancer again! Other than my mother, I have not known a more godly woman in my lifetime. Talk about a prayer warrior. Talk about spiritual! When they do concerts, you can walk into the dressing room, and there will be other women arranging hair, putting on make-up, etc., but Sister McGruder will be curled up in the corner praying. (Not that there's anything wrong with fixing your hair--but its just that she prepares a little differently than others.)

I know too many wonderful saints of God who have suffered and died to say that it is because of sin, or even a lack of faith. My own father died after a long illness, and even while he was sick he prayed for others and they were healed (me included), but yet God never healed him of his disease. I do believe God gave him strength on many occasions.

Again, I do agree that sin and sickness may be connected--sometimes--but more often, sickness is just part of life, and God does not always choose to heal us or deliver us from our pain.

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Missed Brat, I undertand this point here. It's easier for me to believe for others because, I don't know all their faults.

Bless you, BL

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Yall tell me what you think about the underlined parts of this scripture ?

1 Cor.11:18: For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20: When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
21: For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
22: What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23: For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25: After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26: For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28: But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30: For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31: For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32: But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33: Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
34: And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come

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John 5:14: Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

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That's a good point Jo!

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Death comes because of sin, as does disease. Without disease there would not be death. I am speaking of the physical. Our corruptible bodies are not made to live for eternity. Therefore there will be disease and death. Not our own sins neccessarily, but the sin of mankind. Saints and sinners will get sick and die.

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Where did the theology come from that you have to die because of sickness....remember Moses? Why not complete our course and leave this body behind. I for one have not intentions of going because of sickness or disease because I have a Savior who took care of that for me. My father is almost 71 is on no medication, doesn't walk with a limp or a cane, or have any other problems. You can be strong and healthy until your time here is complete.

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I see a differance in sickness and disease all though they can be the same.A person can be sick with having a disease or get sick from old age.Our bodies do get old and wear out and we may die sick if God will.We would have many more people healed if we knew how to deal with sickness.We have power to cast out devils and disease are devils.We need to cast disease spirits our as we cast out other devils.Other sickness may not be diseases and the person needs a miracle,if a person needs a miracle then it would help to have someone pray who has the gift of working of miracles.We are the body of Christ,God gives gifts to man. Amen

Matt.4
[23] And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matt.10
[1] And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

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Many times people don't get healed because of other reasons.

Math.17:14: And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15: Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16: And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17: Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18: And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
19: Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
20: And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
21: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting

Math.9:23: And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
24: He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
25: But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
26: And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.
27: And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.
28: And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29: Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

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Some part of your Dad's body is going to wear out. And since he is human his body will break down eventually. He may not be sick or need medication but he is aging. The same with all of us, we can not put off death. Some sickness yes but not all.

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Joelel, what did Jesus tell his disciples when they asked if a man was blind because of his parent's sin?

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In this man's case it was not because of sin but it was for the glory to God.In other cases it is because of sin though.

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Nobody dies from old age. Something happens to cause death. If it didn't, we'd live forever.

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That is actually very untrue. Read about Smith Wigglesworth. There have been many who called their families together told them of their pending departure, set their affairs in order and then left. We receive what we believe. Most people believe as you have stated and they receive it. Read Heb 11:5-6 - Enoch had the testimony that he pleased God and was taken, and it is impossible to please God without faith. Therefore, Enoch must have had his faith set according to his testimony. We receive what we are willing to believe God for. Don't limit what God can do and has done for us.

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There are lots of people who seem to know when they are dying, but that doesn't mean they just die. Something happens to cause their death. There is no such thing as 'just dying'. Something happens. Autopsies would prove that.

Those such as you speak about above weren't in perfect health when they gathered their families together and said goodbye.

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I'm failing to see where Smith Wigglesworth fits into what I said. He was a faith preacher. My post had nothing to do with that.

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I haven't read through this whole thread - just the first few posts....but I want to add that my father has been an honest man since the day he got saved (when I was just 3 years old - 24 years ago!) and since then he has been a role model for christianity. If he ever did stumble he was quick to repent and get right with God. I never knew of a time where he has sinned. When he was in his early 40's he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. He went through a trial much like what Job went through - lost just about everything except his home and his family - he did loose his one and only son to the world during this time. He is still enduring the trial in my opinion. Some think he has came through it and is doing great and God has really blessed him and he has but I feel that the trial is not oever - there are too many issues left hanging over his head that were not in his life before this storm hit him - it has been almost 8 years now.......he is a different man now. In some ways better, in same ways not. I feel that this trial is NOT because he had sin or a punishment but it is a trial to see how he will endure and how he will be once he comes through on the other side!!! God spoke to my mother and told her that when the dust settles that they will be amazed and I am holding on to that promise!!!!

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I've always looked at it that way. We grow closer to God by going through the trials that we face--because we spend more time in prayer while we are going through the trials.

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You're right scotty, they don't have it as long. Now the question becomes, why? The answer to that question is because when the bug starts going around people start praying for each other as they get sick. Just think what would happen if they started praying that they wouldn't get sick. At our church right before flu season we all take a flu shot. Of course it's not the kind the doctors give it's the prayer kind. We start praying that we won't catch the bug. Very few ever get sick. Those who do would be those who are not as tightly connected and probably aren't using their faith as much

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Smith Wigglesworth kept preaching the gospel until his time to go. Got dress up and prepared and departed this earth. There are benefits to being close to God. 99.99% of all Christians (including me) are living far below what God has provided for us. It is usually because we get our thinking stuck on stupid. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge."

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And it also helps when people who are sick stay home and not infect those who are healthy in the church!!

That's one of my biggest pet peeves. People coming to church all sick and infecting others. The Bible says when we are sick to call on the elders to pray, not go to church and infect everyone to get prayed for! LOL!

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Did you know he had kidney stones? According to a document I read, he asked for his healing but refused to see doctors about it. If that's true, than with his age at death, I'm sure his kidneys weren't functioning too well. There was a cause for his death, regardless of how he lived his life, and that's my point.

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Yes, I am totally aware of his kidney stones. He suffered from them for about 5 years, but was totally healed many years before his death. The treatment at the time was surgery and his position was that he would not allow a knife to touch his body. He felt that if he didn't have the faith to be healed he would rather die. He continued in faith until he was totally healed. It's an awesome testimony about the power of God. It also shows us that just because someone has the gift of faith and healing that they still need to use their faith for themselves. His death was not caused by sickness...study it out.

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You don't understand. There is something that always causes death. It may not be a sickness per se, but there is a cause. That's my point.

You know, it does make one wonder with all the faith he had why God took his wife at such a young age. That struck me as strange when reading his story.

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I will agree with you that something causes death. What I don't agree with you on is what the cause has to be. His faith had nothing to do with his wife's faith. In fact, when his wife was in ministry he was a plumber. His ministry and gifting really did not come into manifestation until after her death.

Dealing with the cause...why can't we just go when our time is done? Why can't the cause be that our spirit left our physical body? Why do we have to believe that some form of event such as sickness, which was paid by the blood, or an accident which we have been told that we can have divine protection (psalms 91) or some other thing that operates because of sin must thrust us into heaven. Why don't we believe that Jesus made a way for us to live long, healthy, and prosperous as we go about establishing His covenant in the earth?