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BoredOutOfMyMind 02-20-2008 09:17 PM
Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
The full text is on this site- Most of my posting ability here has been crippled to where I cannot even post a photo.

http://boredoomm.blogspot.com/

We all had high expectations and bruises from the tossing of the ship we rode in on. Jim Renfro, Jr fronted the payment to put us back up in a week (later split with another owner). We announced Feb 14th to open, and I think the switch was flipped Feb 12th. The lost integrity of the former forum had AFF called "The Backsliders Forum" and "Where Preachers are Used and Abused." Two of the owners, including myself were silent, for if we could not have success, we did not want the shame of being a part of such a mess. It was asked that all be civil, and all bashing of ministry was frowned on. For Nine months or so, we were the envy of the entire web. I stopped hiding both my ownership and the fact of who I was six months ago or so. I remember the PM from other starting forum owners asking how we did it, and how we were always busy. Somewhere our goals were lost and now I again am ashamed to be even a member. Even the postings speak more than anything else- (photo of AFF usage for February 2008 on Blogger)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...raig/usage.png

I have received many PM and emails asking what happened. Somethings are best left unsaid and untold. Others will interpret what I say here I am sure. I never went back to IRC, and except to read and spell check this post, I will log off, clear my Firefox cookie and never be back. I am not going to create a new name (not even with my own photo!), and I will not login to my wife's login.

I will simply fade away and never return, unless expressly asked by Renda for tech solutions-( I remain the Apostolic Expert on vBulletin). Renda and myself balanced each other in the turbulent times of NFCF and her sweet spirit was an aide in the turbulence we saw here at many times too.

I have never said one word against Mike Flemming for what happened on FCF.- I did make a few references to "the DVD," but was more joking than serious. I for all I can remember never either said a word against Vicki Yohe for her support on NFCF. I appreciated what she did do for the rest of us on the board. I do remember rebuffing some such postings striking at her- we could move along and heal from that. We had the Google Ads and that has paid for most of the hosting for this next year (the rest paid by myself and the other owner leaving). It took me a few hours each night to edit out the joke ads like "Russian Women Looking For Brides" that used to appear on Thad's Posts. And the ads for the Presbyterian Church were surely not Apostolic. So, you are all in better shape than a year ago when there was nothing in the bank. I leave you with a memory from the past, and thanks for the memories here. (the photo is on blogger)

:waving


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1..._drugstore.jpg

MissBrattified 02-20-2008 09:23 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
:( Well, that just stinks.

rgcraig 02-20-2008 09:30 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Boom,

It was a pleasure working with you for the past couple years.

..........."sometimes we laugh together, sometimes we cry......we're part of the family"

Elizabeth 02-20-2008 09:37 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Thank for all your hard work! Appreciate all you did!

HeavenlyOne 02-20-2008 09:40 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
You stink.

:p

ForeverBlessed 02-20-2008 09:41 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Boomm, I am sorry you felt you had to leave here... you will be missed.

I know that you have put much time into the operation of the forum and it is much appreciated. I've told many people you were the best internet person around.

Blessings, Lisa

rgcraig 02-20-2008 09:43 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Boom rocks with all this VB stuff!!

He has put in hundreds of hours on this forum and the others in the past.

Cindy 02-20-2008 09:44 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
I will sure miss BOOMM, great sense of humor, and very intelligent. You rock BOOMM.

rgcraig 02-20-2008 09:45 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 396367)
I will sure miss BOOMM, great sense of humor, and very intelligent. You rock BOOMM.
See Boom your humor wasn't wasted!!!

MusicMaster 02-20-2008 09:46 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 396350)
The full text is on this site- Most of my posting ability here has been crippled to where I cannot even post a photo.

http://boredoomm.blogspot.com/

We all had high expectations and bruises from the tossing of the ship we rode in on. Jim Renfro, Jr fronted the payment to put us back up in a week (later split with another owner). We announced Feb 14th to open, and I think the switch was flipped Feb 12th. The lost integrity of the former forum had AFF called "The Backsliders Forum" and "Where Preachers are Used and Abused." Two of the owners, including myself were silent, for if we could not have success, we did not want the shame of being a part of such a mess. It was asked that all be civil, and all bashing of ministry was frowned on. For Nine months or so, we were the envy of the entire web. I stopped hiding both my ownership and the fact of who I was six months ago or so. I remember the PM from other starting forum owners asking how we did it, and how we were always busy. Somewhere our goals were lost and now I again am ashamed to be even a member. Even the postings speak more than anything else- (photo of AFF usage for February 2008 on Blogger)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...raig/usage.png

I have received many PM and emails asking what happened. Somethings are best left unsaid and untold. Others will interpret what I say here I am sure. I never went back to IRC, and except to read and spell check this post, I will log off, clear my Firefox cookie and never be back. I am not going to create a new name (not even with my own photo!), and I will not login to my wife's login.

I will simply fade away and never return, unless expressly asked by Renda for tech solutions-( I remain the Apostolic Expert on vBulletin). Renda and myself balanced each other in the turbulent times of NFCF and her sweet spirit was an aide in the turbulence we saw here at many times too.

I have never said one word against Mike Flemming for what happened on FCF.- I did make a few references to "the DVD," but was more joking than serious. I for all I can remember never either said a word against Vicki Yohe for her support on NFCF. I appreciated what she did do for the rest of us on the board. I do remember rebuffing some such postings striking at her- we could move along and heal from that. We had the Google Ads and that has paid for most of the hosting for this next year (the rest paid by myself and the other owner leaving). It took me a few hours each night to edit out the joke ads like "Russian Women Looking For Brides" that used to appear on Thad's Posts. And the ads for the Presbyterian Church were surely not Apostolic. So, you are all in better shape than a year ago when there was nothing in the bank. I leave you with a memory from the past, and thanks for the memories here. (the photo is on blogger)

:waving
February isn't over yet. December & January spikes were probably from all the Tulsa gossip threads. :TulsaTime:


I still don't get the point of all the dramatic exits. "I'm leaving never to return"

:tissue



I think I'm going to like it here. Long live AFF!

ManOfWord 02-20-2008 09:50 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 396350)
The full text is on this site- Most of my posting ability here has been crippled to where I cannot even post a photo.

http://boredoomm.blogspot.com/

We all had high expectations and bruises from the tossing of the ship we rode in on. Jim Renfro, Jr fronted the payment to put us back up in a week (later split with another owner). We announced Feb 14th to open, and I think the switch was flipped Feb 12th. The lost integrity of the former forum had AFF called "The Backsliders Forum" and "Where Preachers are Used and Abused." Two of the owners, including myself were silent, for if we could not have success, we did not want the shame of being a part of such a mess. It was asked that all be civil, and all bashing of ministry was frowned on. For Nine months or so, we were the envy of the entire web. I stopped hiding both my ownership and the fact of who I was six months ago or so. I remember the PM from other starting forum owners asking how we did it, and how we were always busy. Somewhere our goals were lost and now I again am ashamed to be even a member. Even the postings speak more than anything else- (photo of AFF usage for February 2008 on Blogger)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...raig/usage.png

I have received many PM and emails asking what happened. Somethings are best left unsaid and untold. Others will interpret what I say here I am sure. I never went back to IRC, and except to read and spell check this post, I will log off, clear my Firefox cookie and never be back. I am not going to create a new name (not even with my own photo!), and I will not login to my wife's login.

I will simply fade away and never return, unless expressly asked by Renda for tech solutions-( I remain the Apostolic Expert on vBulletin). Renda and myself balanced each other in the turbulent times of NFCF and her sweet spirit was an aide in the turbulence we saw here at many times too.

I have never said one word against Mike Flemming for what happened on FCF.- I did make a few references to "the DVD," but was more joking than serious. I for all I can remember never either said a word against Vicki Yohe for her support on NFCF. I appreciated what she did do for the rest of us on the board. I do remember rebuffing some such postings striking at her- we could move along and heal from that. We had the Google Ads and that has paid for most of the hosting for this next year (the rest paid by myself and the other owner leaving). It took me a few hours each night to edit out the joke ads like "Russian Women Looking For Brides" that used to appear on Thad's Posts. And the ads for the Presbyterian Church were surely not Apostolic. So, you are all in better shape than a year ago when there was nothing in the bank. I leave you with a memory from the past, and thanks for the memories here. (the photo is on blogger)

:waving


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1..._drugstore.jpg
You did a lot to help this forum, BOOM. I will point out one thing, however, regarding the graph......and that is that Feb is only a partial month since this is the 20th. So the the stats will be different by the end of the month and they certainly will be higher. :D

commonsense 02-20-2008 10:04 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Sorry you're leaving. You had good input and of course your valued tech knowledge.

Pressing-On 02-20-2008 10:17 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Brutha BOOM! I can still aggravate you on GNC!!!! You can run, but you can't hide. Brewhahahahahahaha!

Seriously, you will be missed here!

God bless you and Mrs. Boom! Love you both!

:friend

Ron 02-20-2008 10:39 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
I have always said that it is the "people" not the "forum" itself that is important!

BOOM, appreciate all you have done here & the open welcome I received here!

You will be missed!

God Bless!

Ron

CC1 02-20-2008 10:41 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 396350)
The full text is on this site- Most of my posting ability here has been crippled to where I cannot even post a photo.

http://boredoomm.blogspot.com/

We all had high expectations and bruises from the tossing of the ship we rode in on. Jim Renfro, Jr fronted the payment to put us back up in a week (later split with another owner). We announced Feb 14th to open, and I think the switch was flipped Feb 12th. The lost integrity of the former forum had AFF called "The Backsliders Forum" and "Where Preachers are Used and Abused." Two of the owners, including myself were silent, for if we could not have success, we did not want the shame of being a part of such a mess. It was asked that all be civil, and all bashing of ministry was frowned on. For Nine months or so, we were the envy of the entire web. I stopped hiding both my ownership and the fact of who I was six months ago or so. I remember the PM from other starting forum owners asking how we did it, and how we were always busy. Somewhere our goals were lost and now I again am ashamed to be even a member. Even the postings speak more than anything else- (photo of AFF usage for February 2008 on Blogger)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...raig/usage.png

I have received many PM and emails asking what happened. Somethings are best left unsaid and untold. Others will interpret what I say here I am sure. I never went back to IRC, and except to read and spell check this post, I will log off, clear my Firefox cookie and never be back. I am not going to create a new name (not even with my own photo!), and I will not login to my wife's login.

I will simply fade away and never return, unless expressly asked by Renda for tech solutions-( I remain the Apostolic Expert on vBulletin). Renda and myself balanced each other in the turbulent times of NFCF and her sweet spirit was an aide in the turbulence we saw here at many times too.

I have never said one word against Mike Flemming for what happened on FCF.- I did make a few references to "the DVD," but was more joking than serious. I for all I can remember never either said a word against Vicki Yohe for her support on NFCF. I appreciated what she did do for the rest of us on the board. I do remember rebuffing some such postings striking at her- we could move along and heal from that. We had the Google Ads and that has paid for most of the hosting for this next year (the rest paid by myself and the other owner leaving). It took me a few hours each night to edit out the joke ads like "Russian Women Looking For Brides" that used to appear on Thad's Posts. And the ads for the Presbyterian Church were surely not Apostolic. So, you are all in better shape than a year ago when there was nothing in the bank. I leave you with a memory from the past, and thanks for the memories here. (the photo is on blogger)

:waving


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1..._drugstore.jpg

BORED,

After reading your post here I am still not sure why you are leaving. I really appreciate all you have done and will miss your posts. I absolutely don't understand the uproar and shame you feel over being a part of AFF.

Of course there are idiots that post here but that is true of any open forum. If the mature adults wouldn't get their shorts in a knot and steer the ship AFF can make it through the times when it gets out of balance one way or another.

After seeing FCF and then NFCF bite the dust I am just sick of seeing the premise of these forums die so I am hanging in here and hoping the storm will subside and if the conservatives that once were a part of the AFF family won't come back that new ones will come to fill the void.

The hard part is missing the posts of the conservatives I have great respect for and enjoy reading.

chosenbyone 02-20-2008 10:57 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Brother BOOMM -

I have enjoyed getting to know Mrs. BOOMM and you through your threads and posts. I wanted to express to you my sincere gratitude for your wiliness to help others without ever expecting anything in return.

I pray that your journey will be full of joy and security in our Lord Jesus Christ. You will be greatly missed.

Sincerely,

CB1

Hoovie 02-21-2008 12:19 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 396399)
BORED,

After reading your post here I am still not sure why you are leaving. I really appreciate all you have done and will miss your posts. I absolutely don't understand the uproar and shame you feel over being a part of AFF.
Of course there are idiots that post here but that is true of any open forum. If the mature adults wouldn't get their shorts in a knot and steer the ship AFF can make it through the times when it gets out of balance one way or another.

After seeing FCF and then NFCF bite the dust I am just sick of seeing the premise of these forums die so I am hanging in here and hoping the storm will subside and if the conservatives that once were a part of the AFF family won't come back that new ones will come to fill the void.

The hard part is missing the posts of the conservatives I have great respect for and enjoy reading.
I guess that's my question also. I guess I missed alot of the preacher bashing stuff this last time around... But there have always been a few of those threads around...

Sorry you are leaving Boom. Blessings to you and yours.

Life goes on.

Dora 02-21-2008 02:35 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Dear BOOMM,

Just read this thread. So sad that you are leaving. I've really enjoyed your friendship and pray God's blessings for you and Mrs. BOOMM. Thanks so much for all you have done here on AFF. You will truly be missed.

Christian Hugs!

Dora

Sweet Pea 02-21-2008 05:50 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
BOOM - I don't think we ever had any interaction on the forum - but I do appreciate all you did on the technical side of things - and I appreciate your spirit. You will be missed! (As will MrsBoom, if she leaves as well!) May God be with you!

tamor 02-21-2008 06:46 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
BOOMM,

I always enjoyed interacting with you. You've been fun to post with, and you will be missed.

Tammy Moraga

Sherri 02-21-2008 07:19 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
BOOMM--We will miss you. Thanks for all the times you helped me with techincal things, even simple things like putting up pictures for me. You never acted like I was an idiot, when you most surely could have. We have appreciated your input and your spirit.

StillStanding 02-21-2008 07:53 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Boom, I'm sorry to hear of your leaving, but I can understand your mind set. I've always enjoyed your input, and would be the first to welcome you back if you ever decide to return! Be blessed! :)

SDG 02-21-2008 08:28 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Overall, BOOM's cool people.

Margies3 02-21-2008 08:43 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 396399)
BORED,

After reading your post here I am still not sure why you are leaving. I really appreciate all you have done and will miss your posts. I absolutely don't understand the uproar and shame you feel over being a part of AFF.

Of course there are idiots that post here but that is true of any open forum. If the mature adults wouldn't get their shorts in a knot and steer the ship AFF can make it through the times when it gets out of balance one way or another.

After seeing FCF and then NFCF bite the dust I am just sick of seeing the premise of these forums die so I am hanging in here and hoping the storm will subside and if the conservatives that once were a part of the AFF family won't come back that new ones will come to fill the void.

The hard part is missing the posts of the conservatives I have great respect for and enjoy reading.
My sentiments exactly. Boom, I'm gonna miss you. In any situation I always checked to see what Boom had to say about it. You had more influence than you'll ever know. But I honestly don't understand what all the hoopla is about this time. i haven't seen any huge fights going on even. Did I miss something?????

MrsMcD 02-21-2008 10:44 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Boom,

I hope that you just take a break and come back soon. You are an asset to this forum.

Sister Alvear 02-21-2008 10:56 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 396699)
Boom,

I hope that you just take a break and come back soon. You are an asset to this forum.

me toooooooooooooooooooooooo

The Mrs 02-21-2008 11:00 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Thank you Boom for all you've done here...you've been a great asset to this forum! :boomm

You've been a wonderful friend, I very much appreciate all you've done for me...I hope this parting won't make us strangers. :nutso

Scott Hutchinson 02-21-2008 11:17 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Bro.BOOMM,I for one will miss you as you always have been a dear internet friend,and you were one of the reasons I joined AFF.To be honest I didn't like the split from Faithchild to NFCF because I felt that some of Faithchild tried undermine webmaster's leadership there,but somehow my friends pulled me to NFCF,though for some reason people always me to come back.Nothing personal I'm just being honest.
But BOOMM you have been a real friend to me,and I'll miss you royally here so please keep up with me.
To me AFF without you won't be quite the same.
But I have friends here and I can't seem to quit this thing.

BrotherEastman 02-21-2008 01:32 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Hey Boomm! Will you pm me? I have some questions for you. (nothing to do with aff, I promise.)

rgcraig 02-21-2008 01:36 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 396953)
Hey Boomm! Will you pm me? I have some questions for you. (nothing to do with aff, I promise.)
Did you read his post?

He said he wouldn't sign back in and Boom is one that will stick to his word.

rosebud 02-21-2008 01:37 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Sorry to see you go :tissue

DividedThigh 02-21-2008 01:51 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
boom you are a good man, i will miss you here, god bless, dt

Esther 02-21-2008 03:40 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Thanks for the many, many hours you put into the forum. You will be missed.

ChTatum 02-21-2008 04:06 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Hate to see anyone leave, wish you all the best, and appreciate all you have done.

CC1 02-21-2008 04:26 PM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 396709)
Thank you Boom for all you've done here...you've been a great asset to this forum! :boomm

You've been a wonderful friend, I very much appreciate all you've done for me...I hope this parting won't make us strangers. :nutso
I agree that BOOM is an .....oh...ah..."asset". Nevermind.

LOL!!! J/K. No doubt Bored is greatly loved here and needs to take a deep breath, count to 100, make a few laps around the apartment, then get back on here.

CC1 02-21-2008 05:40 PM
Re: Hit the Road Jack
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tamor (Post 397186)
:toofunny :toofunny

Too bad he won't see this. It looks like something he would have posted!
If I were a betting man....oh wait I forgot I am.... so I will bet he is lurking!

He is the last person I thought would get their underwear tangled up and leave. He has been a blessing to me for a long time.

pelathais 02-29-2008 03:44 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 396434)
I guess that's my question also. I guess I missed alot of the preacher bashing stuff this last time around... But there have always been a few of those threads around...

Sorry you are leaving Boom. Blessings to you and yours.

Life goes on.
I too don't understand what has happened. I had to bail out for a couple of weeks as I was going to school and work for some uptraining and then came back to find that "all the 'conservatives' are gone!"

I hope it has nothing to do with the encounter that I had with one of the Forum's "conservative" voices a little while back. He had made a rather serious accusation against another preacher and couched the whole thing with a bunch of ambiguity. I had never really dialoged with the guy before and I didn't know that he was supposed to be allowed to post anything he wanted without it being challenged; so I called him on it.

After embarassing himself with several posts attacking me personally and trying to bait me with what I thought was childish name calling - the guy banned himself! And it turns out that his accusation against that other preacher was false. They were just two guys who differed on their methods of church discipline and restoration. There was no drunken licentousness at his neighboring UPC church as he had tried to make it appear.

I noticed that all of the people who defended this poster have also left. Are people embarassed because they can't spin their good 'ol boy yarns with impunity? Shouldn't they instead be embarrassed by their own behavior?

Has my friend BOOMM now become embarrassed because these guys have left? BOOMMerino, you're bigger than all those other guys put together!

Really, if there's some sort of rule that "owners" can say whatever they want and you are only allowed to say "yowsa!" in response, then that rule needs to be published somewhere. We should not have to guess.

And if you want to be the "owner" of an open forum, you really need to be careful with your "facts" or grow a thicker skin.

Challenging an indecent and disrespectful accusation is not an act of disrespect; it is an act of decency and respect.

TRFrance 02-29-2008 06:34 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 396576)
But I honestly don't understand what all the hoopla is about this time. i haven't seen any huge fights going on even. Did I miss something?????
It leaves a bit of a question mark over the whole situation. One can only surmise that perhaps there were some behind-the-scenes machinations that caused him to end up leaving.

Obviously the people who really know aren't telling... and its not like they need to anyway.

At the end of the day, it does'nt matter that much. It is what it is. The forum will go on.

pelathais 02-29-2008 06:39 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 404433)
It leaves a bit of a question mark over the whole situation. One can only surmise that perhaps there were some behind-the-scenes machinations that caused him to end up leaving.

Obviously the people who really know aren't telling... and its not like they need to anyway.

At the end of the day, it does'nt matter that much. It is what it is. The forum will go on.
LOL. Sorry, but I had to laugh. I've known BOOMM since we were both "ultra-con" teenagers. He doesn't come and go because of "machinations." Those that "aren't telling" don't have anything to tell that BOOMM didn't say himself.

SDG 02-29-2008 07:26 AM
Re: Why Boomm is leaving AFF-
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 404408)
I too don't understand what has happened. I had to bail out for a couple of weeks as I was going to school and work for some uptraining and then came back to find that "all the 'conservatives' are gone!"

I hope it has nothing to do with the encounter that I had with one of the Forum's "conservative" voices a little while back. He had made a rather serious accusation against another preacher and couched the whole thing with a bunch of ambiguity. I had never really dialoged with the guy before and I didn't know that he was supposed to be allowed to post anything he wanted without it being challenged; so I called him on it.

After embarassing himself with several posts attacking me personally and trying to bait me with what I thought was childish name calling - the guy banned himself! And it turns out that his accusation against that other preacher was false. They were just two guys who differed on their methods of church discipline and restoration. There was no drunken licentousness at his neighboring UPC church as he had tried to make it appear.

I noticed that all of the people who defended this poster have also left. Are people embarassed because they can't spin their good 'ol boy yarns with impunity? Shouldn't they instead be embarrassed by their own behavior?

Has my friend BOOMM now become embarrassed because these guys have left? BOOMMerino, you're bigger than all those other guys put together!

Really, if there's some sort of rule that "owners" can say whatever they want and you are only allowed to say "yowsa!" in response, then that rule needs to be published somewhere. We should not have to guess.

And if you want to be the "owner" of an open forum, you really need to be careful with your "facts" or grow a thicker skin.

Challenging an indecent and disrespectful accusation is not an act of disrespect; it is an act of decency and respect.
Um ... yeah.


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