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A very Ultra Conservative UPC Pastor told one of his saints that if he were to go to another UPC down the street that is not as strict as theirs....he might as well not go to church at all.

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Giving the man the benefit of the doubt, I would figure that the UC pastor has estimated that the other pastor's shepherding practices are not sufficient to keep the flock together in the long run.

Or I could jump in the air in anticipation of the bandwagon that's sure to come rolling here along any minute now, and say that his words are motivated by fear, jealosy, greed, a desire to control the lives of the "little people," and a lack of confidence in his own message . . . did I cover everything, guys?



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Wow! A pastor said that?!

That is so very immature! Sorry, but it is. I mean, I would rather not go to any church at all than go to a church whose man-made religious standards differ from mine own?! This is cultish and very Jim Jones syndrome.

But, then again, that is what religion brings one to.

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You left out, 'I would NEVER attend a church that had any hypocrites in it!' :toofunny

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In all due respect given to the Pastor - my question would be "what kind of saint was this", maybe he was a hopper as Pentecostals at times are welll noted for, hopping from church to church and also who would know if this is taken out of context.

If the Pastor made those statements bluntly as he was situations with himself and also UPC then he is in dangerous territory and would be afraid for myself should I sit under that type of leadership.

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I couldn't have said it any better OP Carl.

I was under such a pastor for many years. I'm sure you don't realize that any pastors like that exsist.

Goody for you.

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Some pastors (and people) used the all or nothing approach! I know a pastor who told his own daughter that he would just as soon her be a drug addict than to wear her dress a few inches above her knee, because either way she was going to hell!

This girl today is not in church! It's really sad!

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What I find funny, is we have no idea who this pastor is, if he really said such a thing, what the context was and what he truly meant.

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Exactly. Just something to generate some heat.

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To be honest ... many have walked away w/ this notion throughout the movement whether they attended a con or moderate church or were/weren't told this explicitly

... some think that if they can't measure up and if the church they went to HAD ALL TRUTH ... then it's useless to go to any type of church... ever. They chalk themselves up to being UNSAVEABLE.

It's what I call a spiritual HOLOCAUST.

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Very well said. This is very sad but true. I know many that will never return because they feel they will never measure up.

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Scores ... that will sit home on Sunday, smurfette. Thirsty and hungy.

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It pains me to know end that I participated in alienating others at one time.

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Well I can't bear any light on the original post, but i can swear that the very thing was said by my pastor.
Our "holiness" was impecable...no one else was rightous as we were.

It was declared from the pulpit that if you want to go to hell just leave this church and go to Br. ******* church.

Both churches were UPC BTW.

This type of behavior should not once be named among us.

Sadly that is not the case.

Competitive holiness is rampant among oneness pentecostals.

It's a stench in God's nostrils. :kickcan

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Same here. However, I think that we are the only ones that will be able to reach out to them and restore them. We know how they feel. They will see our repented spirit and our love for them as souls and not how they measure up. I thank God that he woke me up on this. I pray that I will be able to help to restore many.

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I'd add my :2cents, but I've already blown my budget for the week. Or two or three or.... :lol

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Sad,

sounds like something I hear the big money rolling Baptist churches doing.

Also heard of a couple AoG churches doing that in the next town.

Oh and there is a big charismatic oneness church downtown that preaches that way.

Of course I know, it's only sinful if UPC does it. (learned that hard truth hanging around here)

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Why is it okay to name all the naughty things that liberals do and bring attention to it and speak against it, but it's NOT okay to bring attention to wrong things that UC's do? :dunno

I just don't understand this thinking.

Why are they so extra sensitive? :huh

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It's cuz the UC's got that scripture God wrote for them (they think)

"Touch not mine annointed...do my prophets no harm."

My former pastor could not comprehend that HE was the one in violtion of this scripture in his mistreatment of God's people.

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Imagine that...

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That is so ingrained into the congregations heads that they don't dare question the standards. To do so would be touching the annointed and doing harm. So, the best thing to do (in their minds) is to defend it to the bitter end.

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Even if the person in question was a church-hopper, why would anyone prefer that they no go to church at all?

This confuses me. And not just from one UPC pastor to another, but those who are apostolic, who would prefer that someone not go to church at all, then to go to a non-apostolic church.

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It is craziness!

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Good point!

I have heard stories like this before, it's really sad.

I have heard people tell me (and not just one) say that they were told, while attending a certain local assembly, if they went to any other church they would be lost, because other churches don't teach "it" like they do...so they would be better off going no where.

Doesn't sound like bible to me!

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I believe you, no need to swear it. :)

Nevertheless, at present (until Book 'em returns) we have no idea if this happened yesterday or 10 years ago. We have no idea what the context of the conversation was and what the heart of the pastor who said it is truly like.

All else is surmise.

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I doubt the Admins would appreciate name dropping so you won't be told who the Pastor was. However the facts are from the person who was wanting to visit another UPC. He is also not a church hopper. This is his home church. His pastor was told he was going to visit another UPC. His pastor asked for a meeting and during this meeting was told he might as well not go to any church at all.

The other church? It's progressive. Has more modern music. The Pastor did not vote against res 4 and allows wedding bands. Even under a former, more stricter pastor this other pastor thought the same way because that pastor voted for the video resolution and also allowed wedding bands.

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A person who does not have the same convictions as UC and the UC pastor is constantly beating hime or her (most likely her). This person must go to another church. If he or she stays a root of bitterness is bound to spring up. I cannot believe that some OPs actually think trinitarians are close to devil worship. COME ON, the Lord has not revealed to them yet the understanding of the Might God in Christ. We are no better the Lord has just given us greater grace in that area.

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Ok...let's say it was 10 years ago....does that make the statement any less wrong?

What context would the statement be OK to say?

The heart of the pastor? Any pastor who would make such claims....I think I know the heart of that pastor.

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Does it really matter? We don't have to know WHO said it. We don't have to prove this. In fact, if it IS proven, then we have a HUGE mess on our hands trying to protect names.

This is a forum...we discuss all kinds of things. There are enough here who can corroborate and say yeah, they've heard something similar too.

This is what's on the table for discussion, I say let it ride as is. :gaga

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Yesterday in fact. But the attitude has been going on for years. What is sad is this person had not been going to church for a while now anyways. So essentially it's better to backslide away from Jesus than to go to any church that is less conservative than his....

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I don't know how many times I've heard over the pulpit:
"Get In, Get Out, Or get Run Over" This was said all while preaching standards

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Wish I had a million bucks for everytime I heard that in my old church.

I'd be a billionaire.

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I can top that... I'd be a gazillionaire! Har-Har!

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Did you go to church in Illinois? maybe that's just a universal statement amongst UC pastors

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California - Must be a universal UPC thing.

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Nope , just a UPC thing period, all Upc are that way.

They are right and they know it. If you disagree then you are not only wrong but damned.

I don't know why anyone would step foot in or give a dime to UPC.

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Cheese w/ your whine.

Wassup SCOTTTTTTTTTTTTTY!!!

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Not true...not even nearly true.

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Oh yes it is, I am one and that just describes me to a "T"... and you know where you're going now for disagreeing.

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This does not surprise me one bit. In the church my husband was raised in, we were taught that there were no better UPC churches than ours...none were holy enough as well as many other things.

The inconsistencies I see in UPC are staggering. We had an evangelist and his wife in church this past Sunday...the wife had very obviously cut hair...in another church we attended they allowed a trinitarian preach in their pulpit. When my husband recently preached in a neighboring state, they made him take his wedding band off before he could even step inside their home and made sure we did not own a tv. These types of things have always been preached against hard where we come from. I honestly do not understand all the inconsistencies...I'm not saying I think any of this is wrong...it is just confusing.