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Sherri 03-08-2008 05:36 PM
Interesting thought on O.T. Prophets
 
A guy speaking at the conference we were in this week in Dallas brought up an interesting point. One of those things that just makes you go, "Hmmmmmm....".

He said that even though we call the end of Malachi and the first of Matthew the division of the Old Testament and New Testament, that the New Testament or "New Covenant" did not actually begin until Jesus' death, burial & resurrection. So all the stuff in the gospels before that happened, was really still Old Covenant, not New. Therefore, John the Baptist was the LAST Old Testament prophet. He came at the end of 400 years of silence and proclaimed Jesus. That wasn't even his main point, but it just kind of threw me; I'd never thought of it that way. Am I the only one???

Sam 03-08-2008 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 410378)
A guy speaking at the conference we were in this week in Dallas brought up an interesting point. One of those things that just makes you go, "Hmmmmmm....".

He said that even though we call the end of Malachi and the first of Matthew the division of the Old Testament and New Testament, that the New Testament or "New Covenant" did not actually begin until Jesus' death, burial & resurrection. So all the stuff in the gospels before that happened, was really still Old Covenant, not New. Therefore, John the Baptist was the LAST Old Testament prophet. He came at the end of 400 years of silence and proclaimed Jesus. That wasn't even his main point, but it just kind of threw me; I'd never thought of it that way. Am I the only one???
No, you're not the only one to see it that way.

Bro. Norris taught that John the Baptist was the last of the prophets in the style of the Old Testament. He based this on Luke 7:28

"GL" 03-08-2008 05:48 PM
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Good thoughts.

I've always taught that John was the last and greatest OT prophet. "It is finished," was indeed the conclusion of much.

IMO, those 400 years were anything but years of silence - wars, etc. Perhaps a better way to say it is 400 years without documented God-breathed Word coming forth. :D

Bro-Larry 03-08-2008 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 410378)
A guy speaking at the conference we were in this week in Dallas brought up an interesting point. One of those things that just makes you go, "Hmmmmmm....".

He said that even though we call the end of Malachi and the first of Matthew the division of the Old Testament and New Testament, that the New Testament or "New Covenant" did not actually begin until Jesus' death, burial & resurrection. So all the stuff in the gospels before that happened, was really still Old Covenant, not New. Therefore, John the Baptist was the LAST Old Testament prophet. He came at the end of 400 years of silence and proclaimed Jesus. That wasn't even his main point, but it just kind of threw me; I'd never thought of it that way. Am I the only one???
Where have you been Sherri? (TIC) I posted that in post # 11 of Thread: Tithing, Is it a command , in Deep Waters.
Actually, Jesus was the last OT prophet. He called Himself a prophet in the synagoge at Nazereth, when He said, "A prophet is not without honor...".

Barb 03-08-2008 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by "GL" (Post 410394)
Good thoughts.

I've always taught that John was the last and greatest OT prophet. "It is finished," was indeed the conclusion of much.

IMO, those 400 years were anything but years of silence - wars, etc. Perhaps a better way to say it is 400 years without documented God-breathed Word coming forth. :D
Me too...

Sherri 03-08-2008 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 410403)
Where have you been Sherri? (TIC) I posted that in post # 11 of Thread: Tithing, Is it a command , in Deep Waters.
Actually, Jesus was the last OT prophet. He called Himself a prophet in the synagoge at Nazereth, when He said, "A prophet is not without honor...".
I must have been hiding under a rock somewhere. I'd just never heard it taught that way! You know when something is in your brain for 50 years, it's hard to dislodge it!!!

Ron 03-08-2008 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 410465)
I must have been hiding under a rock somewhere. I'd just never heard it taught that way! You know when something is in your brain for 50 years, it's hard to dislodge it!!!

My wife frequently tells me of this!:hypercoffee

mizpeh 03-08-2008 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 410403)
Where have you been Sherri? (TIC) I posted that in post # 11 of Thread: Tithing, Is it a command , in Deep Waters.
Actually, Jesus was the last OT prophet. He called Himself a prophet in the synagoge at Nazereth, when He said, "A prophet is not without honor...".
Jesus was the ultimate prophet who never uttered "thus saith the Lord"!

A_PoMo 03-08-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 410530)
Jesus was the ultimate prophet who never uttered "thus saith the Lord"!
Yeah, I'd agree w/that. Jesus was the last OT prophet.

I've found that many of the things taught in the Gospels do not apply directly to the church. In principle yes, but the original audience was Jews in the Old Cov not Christians. It helps resolve some controversies when I remember that.

staysharp 03-08-2008 07:59 PM
Re: Interesting thought on O.T. Prophets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 410378)
A guy speaking at the conference we were in this week in Dallas brought up an interesting point. One of those things that just makes you go, "Hmmmmmm....".

He said that even though we call the end of Malachi and the first of Matthew the division of the Old Testament and New Testament, that the New Testament or "New Covenant" did not actually begin until Jesus' death, burial & resurrection. So all the stuff in the gospels before that happened, was really still Old Covenant, not New. Therefore, John the Baptist was the LAST Old Testament prophet. He came at the end of 400 years of silence and proclaimed Jesus. That wasn't even his main point, but it just kind of threw me; I'd never thought of it that way. Am I the only one???
Point of info: Jesus called John the Baptist; Elijah. He said Elijah had come and had not been received, referring to John the Baptist. The Gospels are a continuation of Judaic culture and custom. Jesus himself was sent to the household of faith. He was not called to the Gentile people.

mizpeh 03-08-2008 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by A_PoMo (Post 410537)
Yeah, I'd agree w/that. Jesus was the last OT prophet.

I've found that many of the things taught in the Gospels do not apply directly to the church. In principle yes, but the original audience was Jews in the Old Cov not Christians. It helps resolve some controversies when I remember that.
Is Jesus the last OT prophet and the first NT prophet?

A_PoMo 03-08-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 410540)
Is Jesus the last OT prophet and the first NT prophet?
Yeah, I agree w/that.

Cindy 03-08-2008 09:18 PM
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Jesus is ALL that.

Cindy 03-08-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 410530)
Jesus was the ultimate prophet who never uttered "thus saith the Lord"!
He said it is written instead.

Joelel 03-09-2008 11:59 AM
Re: Interesting thought on O.T. Prophets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 410378)
A guy speaking at the conference we were in this week in Dallas brought up an interesting point. One of those things that just makes you go, "Hmmmmmm....".

He said that even though we call the end of Malachi and the first of Matthew the division of the Old Testament and New Testament, that the New Testament or "New Covenant" did not actually begin until Jesus' death, burial & resurrection. So all the stuff in the gospels before that happened, was really still Old Covenant, not New. Therefore, John the Baptist was the LAST Old Testament prophet. He came at the end of 400 years of silence and proclaimed Jesus. That wasn't even his main point, but it just kind of threw me; I'd never thought of it that way. Am I the only one???
The three yr. time of Jesus ministry was the transition from the old covenant to the new.The gosples of Math.Mark,Luke and John is the teachings of the transition.

Sister Alvear 03-09-2008 12:43 PM
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WOW...this is so awesome ... In my post from South Brazil I mentioned one of the subjects I was teaching on was the Law...and that is exactly what I said...I was a little slow to say it as I too had not heard anyone say it...
Thank you Jesus for confirming this to me.

Bro-Larry 03-09-2008 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 410728)
The three yr. time of Jesus ministry was the transition from the old covenant to the new.The gosples of Math.Mark,Luke and John is the teachings of the transition.
Where do you find that Jesus' ministry was three years? Same scripture as three wise men? LOLOLo (:friend :laffatu:ursofunnyTIC.) Love ye Bro.

Joelel 03-09-2008 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 410809)
Where do you find that Jesus' ministry was three years? Same scripture as three wise men? LOLOLo (:friend :laffatu:ursofunnyTIC.) Love ye Bro.
I don't,that's what I read one time in history.I understood Jesus started his ministry at age 30 and ministered 3 yrs. and was then put to death at age 33. What do you say.I might be wrong ?


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