Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 410440)

This must be a cut and paste reply that the GB approved for the districts, as this is a carbon copy of what DB sent out to his district as well. I do know however, that while they give permission in this communique to fellowship WPF events, some districts have called pastors forbidding them to do so, which I feel is not only inappropriate but on the sly when considering this "official" statement. JMO

Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 410454)

Why Kansas? It is my understanding that while quite a few may have left the UPCI, most if not all of them are just going GIB for now.

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 410389)

What I get out of the letter is if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, eats like a duck, it probably is a duck. The upci makes a great case why upci affiliated ministeres should not license with the wpf...

http://www.wvupci.org/news/2008-03-0...Communiqué.asp

Originally Posted by Dan'D (Post 410991)

Look like there trying to get there house in order

The part that struck me was the last 3 paragraphs under
General Board Ruling
February 26, 2008



It is imperative that we not only proclaim separation, but that it be taught so as to give this generation reason for the basic fundamentals as stated in the Articles of Faith.
The General Youth Department presented plans for Youth Congress 2009, outlining ideas that will incorporate this goal. In an attempt to realize the curbing of some problems and concerns, the General Youth Division will develop platform guidelines for both Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing.
Please know that there was a great spirit of unity and commitment to maintain our Apostolic identity while at the same time going forward with a strong passion for Global Impact.


Dan'D

Originally Posted by Kings Kid (Post 411354)

Why hasn't other districts put the WPF on notice.

Originally Posted by Kings Kid (Post 411373)

I'm wondering how much of an effect that it will have on California .

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 410579)

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 411402)

The last word from Hazelwood (that's today) only about 200 have dropped out of UPCI, that's not an earth shattering number out of approx.9248 ministers listed in the directory. There has been a big rush of ministers getting their renewals in so they won't be dropped. That means there are still about 9,000 faithful left and growing all the time. UPCI may have it's problems but it's still the best there is.

Originally Posted by Kings Kid (Post 411410)

To be honest with you I don't think it will have much of an affect in Ca. So, far I think theres only one church in our section that has went WPF.

Originally Posted by oletime (Post 411497)

the reason for kansas could be in this quote from the speaker at the upci ministers retreat in this state . quote we lost half of our district but our giving has increased seems once we get rid of the disgruntleds things improve unquote ,whistling through the graveyard?

Originally Posted by Dan'D (Post 410991)

Look like there trying to get there house in order

The part that struck me was the last 3 paragraphs under
General Board Ruling
February 26, 2008



It is imperative that we not only proclaim separation, but that it be taught so as to give this generation reason for the basic fundamentals as stated in the Articles of Faith.
The General Youth Department presented plans for Youth Congress 2009, outlining ideas that will incorporate this goal. In an attempt to realize the curbing of some problems and concerns, the General Youth Division will develop platform guidelines for both Youth Congress and Bible Quizzing.
Please know that there was a great spirit of unity and commitment to maintain our Apostolic identity while at the same time going forward with a strong passion for Global Impact.


Dan'D

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 411567)

The apostolic identity as I understand scripture has nothing to do with a clothesline. The apostolic identity is Holy Ghost power. We have made apostolic identity something we wear as opposed to something we should be. It's a joke, and unscriptural to cling onto a legalistic unscriptural mandate for an identity.

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411572)

whose "we"....you got a mouse in your pocket brother??

Some of us UPC don't identify with what we wear, but we wear it anyway.

"Don't get me wrong, I believe Holiness standards are good,
But Hell don't care about your standards.
The devil don't tremble because of the way you dress"
--Pastor Mike Mitchell, Brooklyn NY. UPC

Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 411411)

If I can ask.......was this "word" officially released or is this your inside source? Just curious!

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411572)

whose "we"....you got a mouse in your pocket brother??

Some of us UPC don't identify with what we wear, but we wear it anyway.

"Don't get me wrong, I believe Holiness standards are good,
But Hell don't care about your standards.
The devil don't tremble because of the way you dress"
--Pastor Mike Mitchell, Brooklyn NY. UPC

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 411402)

The last word from Hazelwood (that's today) only about 200 have dropped out of UPCI, that's not an earth shattering number out of approx.9248 ministers listed in the directory. There has been a big rush of ministers getting their renewals in so they won't be dropped. That means there are still about 9,000 faithful left and growing all the time. UPCI may have it's problems but it's still the best there is.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 411649)

I love brother Mitchell ... Great preacher and friend.

He ain't hung up on clotheslines.

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411670)

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411572)

whose "we"....you got a mouse in your pocket brother??

Some of us UPC don't identify with what we wear, but we wear it anyway.

"Don't get me wrong, I believe Holiness standards are good,
But Hell don't care about your standards.
The devil don't tremble because of the way you dress"
--Pastor Mike Mitchell, Brooklyn NY. UPC

Originally Posted by Kings Kid (Post 412189)

I agree. Sometimes I wonder if they care more about standards or saving a person.

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411572)

whose "we"....you got a mouse in your pocket brother??

Some of us UPC don't identify with what we wear, but we wear it anyway.

"Don't get me wrong, I believe Holiness standards are good,
But Hell don't care about your standards.
The devil don't tremble because of the way you dress"
--Pastor Mike Mitchell, Brooklyn NY. UPC

Originally Posted by Theophil (Post 412242)

One of the problems is that some people think standards=salvation. Their plan of salvation is Acts 2:38 + dozens of other things.

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 412260)

What else could be meant by apostolic identity in that statement? Sure can't be signs and wonders. Well maybe the wonders bit, but for the wrong reasons. Unless the organization is willing to make an universal dress code, it is a waste of time to put money into a subjective viewpoint. Thousands of dollars wll be spent to teach "apostolic identity". A misplaced priority.

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 412431)

Last time I checked it didn't cost any money for UPC and the like to teach "Apostolic Identity".

Most preachers preach and teach the clothesline legalism with great gusto each and every time they take the pulpit (well almost).

Even those that don't preach / teach the clothesline adnaseum allude to it in just about every sermon to reinforce the times they do preach / teach on it.

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 412431)

Last time I checked it didn't cost any money for UPC and the like to teach "Apostolic Identity".

Most preachers preach and teach the clothesline legalism with great gusto each and every time they take the pulpit (well almost).

Even those that don't preach / teach the clothesline adnaseum allude to it in just about every sermon to reinforce the times they do preach / teach on it.

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate (Post 412436)

I have never heard of it taking $$ to teach "Apostolic Identity"

...and where I come from, I always thought the apostolic identity was more in line with the oneness of God and Jesus Name baptism..... not standards.....