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Jack Shephard

03-10-2008 01:58 PM

A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy

Have you all seen this? Harvard twice a week is closing one of its gyms so that Muslim women can go work out and not having them wear the full covering. This is done so they can wear better clothing for working out, but no break thier belief of the standards. Read the article and post your responses.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23556551/

freeatlast

03-10-2008 02:21 PM

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We use to rent gyms for our women so they could go swim or work out and not be considered in public or in mixed company, which of course would Taboo in our religeon.

Hmmmm in what other ways are we like the Muslims?

freeatlast

03-10-2008 02:25 PM

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I can also remember going water skiing with a boat load guys (no gals allowed) and we wore blue jeans and long sleeve shirts.

Then one day I'm sure I heard God say, snap out of it stupid...you are embarassing me.

Jack Shephard

03-10-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 411243)

How Pharasical of you! :toofunny

freeatlast

03-10-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 411248)

How Pharasical of you! :toofunny

Thank You :friend

scotty

03-10-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 411243)

Wow , God really said that?!?!?!

Was that like in a conviction sort of way

or a revelation sort of way ???

I guess those who feel convictions of the Spirit need to quit listening to them and start listening to you....After all He is just God

Is it right to call us "stupid" and "an embarassment to God" just because me and everyone else on here who happens to have conservative beliefs...I guess that kind of attitude is real Christ like huh

TRFrance

03-10-2008 04:17 PM

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Brother, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Remember that.

scotty

03-10-2008 04:32 PM

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True , I apologize....

I should not have let it get me that way ...I will edit...

Mrs. LPW

03-10-2008 05:32 PM

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:tissue I'm so proud of you scotty. :tissue

:dogpat good piggy.

scotty

03-10-2008 06:00 PM

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LOL, I'm trying ,

Lord knows I am trying,

freeatlast

03-10-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411258)

Whoaaaaa Scotty..... please don't belittle what I "felt" from the Lord.

I made no reference to you my friend..so please, don't get your long johns all twisted up in a bunch. :tantrum

Praxeas

03-10-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 411217)

Another case of our culture being assimilated into Islam instead of them assimilating into ours...Muslim women wear their Islamic clothing to do all sort of things. There was a sprinter that wore her garb too and did not complain.

Praxeas

03-10-2008 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 411243)

you know...and I thought it was just the UCs that were intolerant of other Pentecostals. Thanks for opening my eyes

scotty

03-10-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 411387)

Whoaaaaa Scotty..... please don't belittle what I "felt" from the Lord.

I made no reference to you my friend..so please, don't get your long johns all twisted up in a bunch. :tantrum

Yes sir you did , how you can not see that is astounding to me.

I did not belittle what you felt from the Lord and I would challenge you show me where I did. However you did do exaclty that.

You basicly stated that God sees what some us believe as stupid and embarassing to Him. Your statement was uncalled for and without any real merit. I edited my post by request, but if you truly do not see the error in your statement then I was correct to begin with.

scotty

03-10-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 411395)

you know...and I thought it was just the UCs that were intolerant of other Pentecostals. Thanks for opening my eyes

Obviously the pendilum swings just as far in both directions

Praxeas

03-11-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 411482)

Obviously the pendilum swings just as far in both directions

Yes. We need to move away from the mean spiritedness and the mockery while still reserving the right to disagree with someone elses view point

MissBrattified

03-11-2008 02:00 PM

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So...the college is making allowances for students based on religious beliefs or preferences. This is a problem? It just sets a precedent that makes it easier for other religions to receive the same treatment.

scotty

03-11-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 412063)

Well now , you know that wont apply to anyone else.

Just like California schools, kick God out, teach homosexual tolerance.

Because they allow one don't mean they have to allow the other

(by their rules anyway)

Praxeas

03-11-2008 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 412063)

I don't think so. First of all it seems what they doing is closing the gym down to anyone that is not a muslim woman so they can have their day.

Now, can you imagine the response if a major university closed down their gym to all the male students that paid tuition so that Christian women can do what they wanted in there? There would be an uproar. Other colleges have accommodated Muslims by removing Christian religious trappings....even Christian schools have done that. You have to look at the larger picture of a growing trend.

Grade Schools have had class projects where all the non-muslim students had to take Muslim names and learn about Muslim practices and recite the quran etc etc....you think that is going to fly for all non Christian students to take non Muslim names, learn about Christianity and recite the bible? Nope.

I have warned about this over and over....you all need to read the book
"Because They Hate"
http://books.google.com/books?id=NTJ...mbnail#PPA1,M1
You can read some of it there. This woman grew up in Lebanon. She saw first hand how a christian nation was taken over by the Muslims by a similar route we are taking and Europe has already taken.

pelathais

03-11-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 411395)

you know...and I thought it was just the UCs that were intolerant of other Pentecostals. Thanks for opening my eyes

I dunno, Prax. I can't really gauge Freeatlast's attitude here. Do you think it would be wrong for him and his boat load of buddies to wear shorts while water-skiing?

I've never water skied myself, but I wouldn't mind giving it a go if the occasion came up; and I don't think I would feel comfortable- or even safe in blue jeans and a long sleeve shirt.

scotty

03-11-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 412176)

I have water skied many times , absolutly love it...you must try it if you ever get the chance.

I have done it in shorts, (pre-salvation) and in jeans, but short sleeve shirt (post-salvation) ...yes it is a little less comfortable....but no less fun..

Either way, the statement in question was in bad taste. It doesn't matter if him and his buddies were wrong or not, what was wrong was say that my covictions are "stupid" and "embarassing to God".

MissBrattified

03-11-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 412168)

I don't think so. First of all it seems what they doing is closing the gym down to anyone that is not a muslim woman so they can have their day.

Actually it was just a couple of hours each day on 3 separate days.

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Now, can you imagine the response if a major university closed down their gym to all the male students that paid tuition so that Christian women can do what they wanted in there? There would be an uproar. Other colleges have accommodated Muslims by removing Christian religious trappings....even Christian schools have done that. You have to look at the larger picture of a growing trend.

That's the thing, though. Their press for religion freedom benefits us on the flip side, at least legally speaking.

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Grade Schools have had class projects where all the non-muslim students had to take Muslim names and learn about Muslim practices and recite the quran etc etc....you think that is going to fly for all non Christian students to take non Muslim names, learn about Christianity and recite the bible? Nope.

I'm not going to get into an uproar because Muslims are being granted special rights, because it doesn't matter to me whether they are Muslim or Baptist--it's still religious freedom being allowed a bit of leeway on a college campus, which seems to be rare.

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I have warned about this over and over....you all need to read the book
"Because They Hate"
http://books.google.com/books?id=NTJ...mbnail#PPA1,M1
You can read some of it there. This woman grew up in Lebanon. She saw first hand how a christian nation was taken over by the Muslims by a similar route we are taking and Europe has already taken.

The reason Christians haven't been able to use this to their benefit is simply because--they haven't used it to their benefit. If they wanted to take it to court and press the matter, they could probably realize the same freedom, based on the precedents set by Muslims and other minority groups.

TRFrance

03-11-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 412063)

Special treatment for Muslims, and the ACLU is silent.

If this was a Christian group, something tells me groups like the ACLU would be all over this.

Praxeas

03-11-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 412176)

I dunno, Prax. I can't really gauge Freeatlast's attitude here. Do you think it would be wrong for him and his boat load of buddies to wear shorts while water-skiing?

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I've never water skied myself, but I wouldn't mind giving it a go if the occasion came up; and I don't think I would feel comfortable- or even safe in blue jeans and a long sleeve shirt.

This and the other quote above have me confused. I am not sure of the point you are trying to make or how it relates to my original statement

BTW You DO know that I am not an Ultra Con right? Im not really even considered conservative according to StMatt and the others.....

Praxeas

03-11-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 412221)

Actually it was just a couple of hours each day on 3 separate days.

Yes......and? The are still shutting it down to others for religious reasons.

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That's the thing, though. Their press for religion freedom benefits us on the flip side, at least legally speaking.

It won't and has not in the long run and in a country where Political Correctness has run amuck

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It does not matter to me if they ar Muslim or Baptist either....that is beside the point. They are NOT baptist. The Baptist religion is not being taught to our kids in public schools. It's not religious freedom. They are free to practice their religion anyways. Just like everyone else is. It's making special concessions and privileges available to one religion over another. And in this case it's Islam. The problem is, as stated before, is Americans are not seeing the larger picture...perhaps it is due to historical ignorance. Islam has taken over countries through bloodless Jihad. They start by immigrating there. They have many children there. They start demanding special rights to accomodate THEIR religion in the public and in government. They then use the laws and government to gain more power until they are the majority.

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I think you are still not getting it. My point isn't "Sniff, sniff.....we Christians don't get that stuff"....My point is THIS is how Islam works to take over a nation.

Praxeas

03-11-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 412226)

Special treatment for Muslims, and the ACLU is silent.

If this was a Christian group, something tells me groups like the ACLU would be all over this.

That is right....Religion is not supposed to be taught in schools and my point isn't that we should be able to do it too. My point is that Islam is being taught to our kids. Islam is getting special treatment and Americans don't realize what is happening

MissBrattified

03-11-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 412265)

Yes......and? The are still shutting it down to others for religious reasons.

It won't and has not in the long run and in a country where Political Correctness has run amuck

It does not matter to me if they ar Muslim or Baptist either....that is beside the point. They are NOT baptist. The Baptist religion is not being taught to our kids in public schools. It's not religious freedom. They are free to practice their religion anyways. Just like everyone else is. It's making special concessions and privileges available to one religion over another. And in this case it's Islam. The problem is, as stated before, is Americans are not seeing the larger picture...perhaps it is due to historical ignorance. Islam has taken over countries through bloodless Jihad. They start by immigrating there. They have many children there. They start demanding special rights to accomodate THEIR religion in the public and in government. They then use the laws and government to gain more power until they are the majority.

I think you are still not getting it. My point isn't "Sniff, sniff.....we Christians don't get that stuff"....My point is THIS is how Islam works to take over a nation.

No, I get it, Prax, my point is that the reason Christianity hasn't taken "over" the nation (at least in the public domain) is because Christians are too commonly apologetic about their freedoms instead of aggressively taking them. And I'm not sure that we should be as aggressive as Islam, BUT I'm just saying that we can't really complain when they step up and get their way--just because they stepped up and utilized the legal system. :coffee2 Legal action is not taken often enough to make a difference for us, unfortunately. And I'm just as lackadaisical as the rest--I have no interest in pursuing legal action against anyone.

Praxeas

03-12-2008 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 412289)

Ok...we seem to be talking about two different things. I want to talk about the danger of Islam and how they take over nations and you want to talk about why Christianity aggressively going after the same things? Is that right?

I mean, if every religion went after what they wanted that aggressively and got it the gym would be closed to some group every day of the week....this is generally why our society does not give preferential treatments in school or government to one religion only. It's the reason why no religion is to be taught in our schools....any time Christians have tried the ACLU jumps in....when Islam is taught the ACLU does nothing....my point is not that Christians are being short changed but that Americans are asleep and allowing a sleeping giant to awaken in our midst....that is the growing threat of Islam. It is already a problem in Europe....are we next? Is this just an example of a growing trend here?

scotty

03-12-2008 05:06 AM

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I agree, we are asleep. And it will take something bigger than 9/11 to wake us up, unfortunatly. How many illegal border crossings are there every day? How many of them are actually Mexican? Could one from the Middle East play himself off as Mexican? If so then how many of them are probably here? This whole topic needs its own thread.

Mrs B. You also are correct , but the problem is you are about 20 years too late. If I am anti-christian there is a system I follow to get my agenda passed. I start by taking you to task in California or Mass. where the liberals are already in power and sympathetic and ethics are a thing of the past. Once I have a foot hold there the rest of the country will follow suit. I work to vote liberal politicians into office so I can have liberal judges when my agenda gets to their courts. And of course I donate big time to the ACLU so I will have a supply of lawyers.
The above has already been done and put into place. Yes , even the rest of the country is following suit, remember the judge in southern baptist bible belt Alabama that was thrown out for having the 10 commandments?

Now we are about to have an all Democratic Congress and White House. Both candidates have already said that communication is the answer to the Islamic threat...............the beginning of the end..

COOPER

03-12-2008 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 411327)

Brother, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Remember that.

AND TWO WHITES DON'T MAKE A WONG!!:gaga

COOPER

03-12-2008 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 412220)

Bemm Me Up Scotty! :kickcan......................Peter fished and swam Necked!

Jack Shephard

03-12-2008 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 412405)

AND TWO WHITES DON'T MAKE A WONG!!:gaga

Ching Chang Walla Walla Bing Bang!

COOPER

03-12-2008 08:16 AM

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Mean while back to the thread..........

Americans are accommodating the Muslim religion...while they are taking Prayer, Jesus, Christmas, Ten commandments, etc... out of Schools and court rooms.

This really chaps my hide.

commonsense

03-12-2008 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 411243)

It comes under the heading: Commonsense!!!!
The clothing should fit the activity. God has commonsense.
In the 70's/80's worked for Kmart; opened boxes, stocked shelves, climbed ladders in stock area and on floor...and often it was not modest....but I wore the skirts as was required.(by UPC)
I'm in retail again, in a warehouse type store...handle freight, climb ladders,etc and I wear the unofficial work uniform of jeans and a knit shirt ; In summer a Tshirt, in winter a sweatshirt or sweater. And I'm much more modest as well as more comfortable for the tasks at hand.

MissBrattified

03-12-2008 09:33 AM

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I wonder what type of clothing men worked in, in Bible days, or fished in for that matter, and I wonder if God was embarrassed by their choices? Or if He even cares one way or the other what I wear to fish in? Goodness, I've been known to go in old rubber boots, my Dad's fishing hat, and my husband's oversized jacket. No fashion plate, but quite practical. Why should I care what other people think I look like, when I'm handling fish and worms and have dirt under my fingernails, and cricket guts everywhere?

I've never had God tell me I looked stupid.

freeatlast

03-12-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense (Post 412469)

Well Commonsense...you went and brought my post forward in this thread.

I just dropped back in for a look and see that I stirred up a hornets nest.

Sorry to my overly conservative friends on this board for my remarks.

I posted that I heard God say to ME . To me, not to all of Pentecost.

That I felt he told ME....that I (not you ) was embarasing him with my unbending following of rules.

We were not in mixed company, even yet we still wore long blue jeans long sleeves shirts to swim in.

The water soaked material felt like twenty pounds heavier and was just miserable to be in the hot sun when you got out of the water.

I can't believe we did this, and you'll be shocked at us, we did however take our shoes off. Nakid feet all over the place. :ursofunny

Any way....sorry to offend...I was just relating how God delt with ME

It's a matter of personal holiness. Our each and own differing opinoins of how God deals with us about modesty.

OK Now everybody...back to the thread...sorry for the hijack

TRFrance

03-12-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 412310)

I agree, we are asleep. And it will take something bigger than 9/11 to wake us up, unfortunately. How many illegal border crossings are there every day? How many of them are actually Mexican? Could one from the Middle East play himself off as Mexican? If so then how many of them are probably here? This whole topic needs its own thread.

There have been many reports of people caught at the border pretending to be Mexicans, who turned out not to speak a lick of Spanish... but instead spoke only ARABIC!!

scotty

03-12-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 412607)

There have been many reports of people caught at the border pretending to be Mexicans, who turned out not to speak a lick of Spanish... but instead spoke only ARABIC!!

I didn't think it would be uncommon, there is no telling how many are actually here. They can go straight to California and have full benefits. The laws there do not classify "illegal" as being Mexican only.

pelathais

03-14-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 412261)

Im not sure what my opinion of him wearing shorts has to do with his saying that stuff about being stupid etc etc....suggesting essentially everyone that keeps a standard is stupid. No, I don't think it is wrong for them to wear shorts

This and the other quote above have me confused. I am not sure of the point you are trying to make or how it relates to my original statement

BTW You DO know that I am not an Ultra Con right? Im not really even considered conservative according to StMatt and the others.....

I figure you to be somewhat a "middle of the road" kind of guy in most of these discussions. I guess I just didn't see Freeatlast's comment in the same light as others.

I've seen Ultra-Orthodox Jews do things in the water comprable to an ultra-con Pentecostal wearing jeans while water skiing. Muslim girls (adolescent and up) often can be seen even more covered up than our girls wearing jean skirts in the pool.

I guess the question some people would have is: "Do we really want to have that much in common with the Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Muslims?"

James Griffin

03-14-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 412607)

There have been many reports of people caught at the border pretending to be Mexicans, who turned out not to speak a lick of Spanish... but instead spoke only ARABIC!!

Don't know about "many reports" But for what's it worth when I was on the gang task force in Victoria it was discovered that many of the prison gangs (La Raza Unida, Mexican Mafia, Los Pistoleros etc) were switching from running drugs across the border to running people. Bigger profit margin, lesser penalty if caught. And yes they did smuggle across middle easterners (usually charging in the low six figures) no questions asked.

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