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CC1 03-24-2008 09:29 AM

FOX Does NOT Lie About Obama's Pastor!
 
I think enough has been posted in chosenbyone's thread to refute the title he gave it so I am posting this new thread to give equal prominence supporting FOX news as his title denigrating it.

Ferd 03-24-2008 09:31 AM

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Good for you.

the good pastor quoted "chickens come home to roost"

that was it. the tyrade that everyone is talking about was 100% Jermiah Wright.

CC1 03-24-2008 09:36 AM

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Yup. The scary thing is those looking to defend Obama are much like the Clinton followers who will excuse any wrongs, lack of judgement, etc on the basis of a personality cult.

By sitting under Jeremiah Wright for over 20 years Obama refuted the very premise upon which he is running - that he has good judgement in spite of little experience.

DividedThigh 03-24-2008 09:37 AM

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fox news rocks, lol,dt

LaGirl 03-24-2008 09:59 AM

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i agree. Fox did not lie! we watch foxnews all the time around here.

Sam 03-24-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 421838)
fox news rocks, lol,dt

My wife is a Fox news fan.
She will not allow watching CNN.
A few days I happened to tune in CNN to catch the news. I didn't remember the channel number for Fox.
She caught me watching CNN and challenged me for watching it.
She won't watch CNN.

She has two reasons:

1. Because Bill Hemmer (cute kid from Cincinnati) is on Fox now instead of CNN.

2. CNN is too liberal (just part of the Hollywood/network/entertainment crowd).

Neither will she watch Katie Couric or Oprah because of their left wing, new age, anti-Christ attitudes.

DividedThigh 03-24-2008 10:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 421871)
My wife is a Fox news fan.
She will not allow watching CNN.
A few days I happened to tune in CNN to catch the news. I didn't remember the channel number for Fox.
She caught me watching CNN and challenged me for watching it.
She won't watch CNN.

She has two reasons:

1. Because Bill Hemmer (cute kid from Cincinnati) is on Fox now instead of CNN.

2. CNN is too liberal (just part of the Hollywood/network/entertainment crowd).

Neither will she watch Katie Couric or Oprah because of their left wing, new age, anti-Christ attitudes.

sam your wife is a pretty smart chick,lol,dt

BrotherEastman 03-24-2008 10:34 AM

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Whether Fox News lied or not is irrelevent; the fact that Obama allowed JW to be his pastor for 20 years says enough for me. No one can tell me that he isn't poisoned by the hatred JW poured out of his own mouth.

Elizabeth 03-24-2008 10:57 AM

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I agree with CC on this, I do NOT believe FOX lied either. JW believes and teaches black liberation theology. Why would someone go to a church that DID NOT believe or support the same theology?? Especially for 20 years?

Obama is foremost a politician and is going to say what it takes to get where he wants to be. (Most politicians do that)

COOPER 03-24-2008 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 421935)
I agree with CC on this, I do NOT believe FOX lied either. JW believes and teaches black liberation theology. Why would someone go to a church that DID NOT believe or support the same theology?? Especially for 20 years?

Obama is foremost a politician and is going to say what it takes to get where he wants to be. (Most politicians do that)



bingo!!!!!
:bliss

DividedThigh 03-24-2008 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 421940)
bingo!!!!!
:bliss

bingo bango bongo, hit the nail on the head, lol,dt

Dora 03-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Love FOX News!

Pressing-On 03-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 421935)
I agree with CC on this, I do NOT believe FOX lied either. JW believes and teaches black liberation theology. Why would someone go to a church that DID NOT believe or support the same theology?? Especially for 20 years?

Obama is foremost a politician and is going to say what it takes to get where he wants to be. (Most politicians do that)

I'm posting this article on anything pertaining to Obama. Excellent points by a black minister.

Quote:

Faith, Race and Politics
By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
Monday, March 24, 2008

Obama missed a huge opportunity to reach out and connect with the broader evangelical, faith community. Many non-black, Bible believing Christians have questioned the orthodoxy of the Senator’s faith. Evangelicals are troubled by the senator’s position on abortion and traditional marriage.

Though brilliant on the surface, last week’s speech wrongly characterized the problem with his minister’s preaching as solely a problem of race. In my view this controversy is more a matter of personal honesty and faith. I agree with Ken Blackwell’s critique of liberation theology. He wrote the following statement last Tuesday, “Liberation Theology... is a belief system about political agendas, socialistic economic policy, and redistribution of wealth.”

The fact is that neither the Senator nor his pastor is qualified to solve this race question in our nation. At the risk of sounding impractical, let me remind everyone that racism is a spiritual problem. It is a matter of the heart, first of all. And because it is truly a spiritual problem, it will require the involvement of a unified, emotionally focused church to lead us toward racial reconciliation.

The time is right to heal America! I’m ready. What about you?

Harry R. Jackson Jr. is founder and Chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition as well as author of The Warriors Heart: Rules of Engagement for the Spiritual War Zone.

For full article: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/H...e_and_politics

Elizabeth 03-24-2008 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 421970)
I'm posting this article on anything pertaining to Obama. Excellent points by a black minister.

Good points by this black preacher!

Quote:

Obama missed a huge opportunity to reach out and connect with the broader evangelical, faith community. Many non-black, Bible believing Christians have questioned the orthodoxy of the Senator’s faith. Evangelicals are troubled by the senator’s position on abortion and traditional marriage.

Though brilliant on the surface, last week’s speech wrongly characterized the problem with his minister’s preaching as solely a problem of race. In my view this controversy is more a matter of personal honesty and faith. I agree with Ken Blackwell’s critique of liberation theology. He wrote the following statement last Tuesday, “Liberation Theology... is a belief system about political agendas, socialistic economic policy, and redistribution of wealth.”

The fact is that neither the Senator nor his pastor is qualified to solve this race question in our nation. At the risk of sounding impractical, let me remind everyone that racism is a spiritual problem. It is a matter of the heart, first of all. And because it is truly a spiritual problem, it will require the involvement of a unified, emotionally focused church to lead us toward racial reconciliation.

Harry R. Jackson Jr. is founder and Chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition as well as author of The Warriors Heart: Rules of Engagement for the Spiritual War Zone.
I am glad you posted this here as well. :thumbsup

Pressing-On 03-24-2008 11:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 421973)
Good points by this black preacher!

I am glad you posted this here as well. :thumbsup

You are welcome. Best article I've read, thus far!! :thumbsup

LaGirl 03-24-2008 01:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 421871)
My wife is a Fox news fan.
She will not allow watching CNN.
A few days I happened to tune in CNN to catch the news. I didn't remember the channel number for Fox.
She caught me watching CNN and challenged me for watching it.
She won't watch CNN.

She has two reasons:

1. Because Bill Hemmer (cute kid from Cincinnati) is on Fox now instead of CNN.

2. CNN is too liberal (just part of the Hollywood/network/entertainment crowd).

Neither will she watch Katie Couric or Oprah because of their left wing, new age, anti-Christ attitudes.


i Love Bill too!!!

Sam 03-24-2008 02:41 PM

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How can you tell if a politician is lying?




see next post for answer

Sam 03-24-2008 02:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 422444)
How can you tell if a politician is lying?...

His/her lips are moving

GodsBabyGirl 03-24-2008 02:50 PM

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You know I am praying Obama wins.

I am glad he has run because Wright and he has brought some major issues to the forefront.

Whether Fox is lying or not is irrelevant. What is is that America again is having to deal with the racism.

Thanks Obama and JW!!!!!

StillStanding 03-24-2008 02:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422474)
You know I am praying Obama wins.

I am glad he has run because Wright and he has brought some major issues to the forefront.

Whether Fox is lying or not is irrelevant. What is is that America again is having to deal with the racism.

Thanks Obama and JW!!!!!

If Obama turns out to be a great president, it won't be because he is black, brown, red, yellow, or any other color. It will be because he makes good decisions and listens to good advisors.

As far as race, I wish it would be illegal to have any race-related organizations. Most of these organizations are race baiters anyways! :eek:

GodsBabyGirl 03-24-2008 03:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 422486)
If Obama turns out to be a great president, it won't be because he is black, brown, red, yellow, or any other color. It will be because he makes good decisions and listens to good advisors.

As far as race, I wish it would be illegal to have any race-related organizations. Most of these organizations are race baiters anyways! :eek:

And I do believe Obama IS a good sound decision maker who takes the advice of others....

But because he happens to be black and can relate to many black folks in this country, I know he will undoubtedly deal with race issues in this country effectively and fairly.

He'd be in a position to do so more than any other president because of HIS race, not in spite of.

As much as Clinton seemed to sympathize with issues pertaining to minorities, he couldn't possibly fully relate and effectively do what needs to be done in office for minorities because, well, he IS NOT one.

I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

NAACP is effective at empowering Blacks in this country, whether it is by information or actions.

KKK is well, ineffective, because not only do they operate out of pure hatred, but they ACT upon that hatred to the detriment and destruction of others outside of their race.

Now that's one race orgranization whose destruction is LONG overdue.

Rico 03-24-2008 03:14 PM

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Let's not forget that Barak Obama is half white, what used to be referred to as a mulatto (not a derogatory term, in case you are wondering). He has no choice but to be fair and balanced when it comes to racial issues.

HeavenlyOne 03-24-2008 03:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422474)
You know I am praying Obama wins.

I am glad he has run because Wright and he has brought some major issues to the forefront.

Whether Fox is lying or not is irrelevant. What is is that America again is having to deal with the racism.

Thanks Obama and JW!!!!!

Do you think that's what running this country should be about?

Are you voting for Obama because he's black or because he's got what it takes to run this country...one that includes not only blacks, but whites, hispanics, orientals, Indians, Europeans, Africans, and Middle Eastern folks alike??

ReformedDave 03-24-2008 03:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422505)
And I do believe Obama IS a good sound decision maker who takes the advice of others....

But because he happens to be black and can relate to many black folks in this country, I know he will undoubtedly deal with race issues in this country effectively and fairly.

He'd be in a position to do so more than any other president because of HIS race, not in spite of.

As much as Clinton seemed to sympathize with issues pertaining to minorities, he couldn't possibly fully relate and effectively do what needs to be done in office for minorities because, well, he IS NOT one.

I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

NAACP is effective at empowering Blacks in this country, whether it is by information or actions.

KKK is well, ineffective, because not only do they operate out of pure hatred, but they ACT upon that hatred to the detriment and destruction of others outside of their race.

Now that's one race orgranization whose destruction is LONG overdue.

So the Hispanics won't get a fair shake until they have someone in the White House?

Rico 03-24-2008 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 422545)
So the Hispanics won't get a fair shake until they have someone in the White House?

Maybe Obama will pick a Hispanic running mate. That would pretty much guarantee him the election. To have all the support he currently has, and to win over significant numbers of Latinos with a Hispanic running mate would put a definite whammy on any plans the Republicans have for keeping the White House. Plus, I think it would be cool! :) And if he picked a female Hispanic that would REALLY seal the deal!

ReformedDave 03-24-2008 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 422554)
Maybe Obama will pick a Hispanic running mate. That would pretty much guarantee him the election. To have all the support he currently has, and to win over significant numbers of Latinos with a Hispanic running mate would put a definite whammy on any plans the Republicans have for keeping the White House. Plus, I think it would be cool! :) And if he picked a female Hispanic that would REALLY seal the deal!

Then what about the disenfranchising Asians?

HeavenlyOne 03-24-2008 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 422627)
Then what about the disenfranchising Asians?

Or the Jews?

TRFrance 03-24-2008 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 421826)
I think enough has been posted in chosenbyone's thread to refute the title he gave it so I am posting this new thread to give equal prominence supporting FOX news as his title denigrating it.

The title and underlying premise of that other thread was ridiculous on its face.

Its the old tactic:
If you don't like the message, then blame the messenger.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...g/crybaby1.jpg

scotty 03-24-2008 05:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422505)
And I do believe Obama IS a good sound decision maker who takes the advice of others....

But because he happens to be black and can relate to many black folks in this country, I know he will undoubtedly deal with race issues in this country effectively and fairly.

He'd be in a position to do so more than any other president because of HIS race, not in spite of.

As much as Clinton seemed to sympathize with issues pertaining to minorities, he couldn't possibly fully relate and effectively do what needs to be done in office for minorities because, well, he IS NOT one.

I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

NAACP is effective at empowering Blacks in this country, whether it is by information or actions.

KKK is well, ineffective, because not only do they operate out of pure hatred, but they ACT upon that hatred to the detriment and destruction of others outside of their race.

Now that's one race orgranization whose destruction is LONG overdue.

WOW , this post is reverse racism at its best.

The NAACP is a joke, about like the ACLU...they are a money pit. Rob blacks of their money in return for alot of empty promises...reminds me of the Bakers....

And I hope your ready for the surprise of your life if Obama wins,

The day after he is inaugerated he will become the whitest black man you ever saw.

Mark my words




Fox news Rocks.

StillStanding 03-24-2008 06:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422505)
....I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

So.......I take it that you wouldn't be against a White Entertainment TV Channel as long as it empowered the white race without tearing down other races?

You wouldn't be against a White Miss America pageant?

What if a political organization was set up to empower white people that wasn't tearing down other races?

Are you telling me that you would have no problem with this? If not, why is it fair game for one race, but not fair for other races?

It's my opinion that race organizations such as these are what is making our racial problems worse. They exist to keep race on the forefront of the American mindset.

If america wants racial unity, all race-related organizations should be banned, IMHO!

scotty 03-24-2008 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 422707)
So.......I take it that you wouldn't be against a White Entertainment TV Channel as long as it empowered the white race without tearing down other races?

You wouldn't be against a White Miss America pageant?

What if a political organization was set up to empower white people that wasn't tearing down other races?

Are you telling me that you would have no problem with this? If not, why is it fair game for one race, but not fair for other races?

It's my opinion that race organizations such as these are what is making our racial problems worse. They exist to keep race on the forefront of the American mindset.

If america wants racial unity, all race-related organizations should be banned, IMHO!

PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praxeas 03-24-2008 06:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422505)
And I do believe Obama IS a good sound decision maker who takes the advice of others....

But because he happens to be black and can relate to many black folks in this country, I know he will undoubtedly deal with race issues in this country effectively and fairly.

He'd be in a position to do so more than any other president because of HIS race, not in spite of.

As much as Clinton seemed to sympathize with issues pertaining to minorities, he couldn't possibly fully relate and effectively do what needs to be done in office for minorities because, well, he IS NOT one.

I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

NAACP is effective at empowering Blacks in this country, whether it is by information or actions.

KKK is well, ineffective, because not only do they operate out of pure hatred, but they ACT upon that hatred to the detriment and destruction of others outside of their race.

Now that's one race orgranization whose destruction is LONG overdue.

I don't see how one's race makes them more fair than any other race...in fact that sounds like racism

Brother Price 03-24-2008 06:53 PM

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The color of one's skin is worthless in comparison to the content of one's character.

CC1 03-24-2008 06:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl (Post 422505)
And I do believe Obama IS a good sound decision maker who takes the advice of others....

But because he happens to be black and can relate to many black folks in this country, I know he will undoubtedly deal with race issues in this country effectively and fairly.

He'd be in a position to do so more than any other president because of HIS race, not in spite of.

As much as Clinton seemed to sympathize with issues pertaining to minorities, he couldn't possibly fully relate and effectively do what needs to be done in office for minorities because, well, he IS NOT one.

I haven't a problem with race organizations as long as they operate by empowering their race, not tearing down their own or another.

NAACP is effective at empowering Blacks in this country, whether it is by information or actions.

KKK is well, ineffective, because not only do they operate out of pure hatred, but they ACT upon that hatred to the detriment and destruction of others outside of their race.

Now that's one race orgranization whose destruction is LONG overdue.


I object to Obama on the basis of his policies and poor judgement and lack of experience. It has nothing to do with his race.

I would gladly support Condi Rice, Colin Powell, J.C. Watts or any other number of black Americans to High Office.

It is wrong to vote for someone just because of their race and that appears to be what you are doing. His liberal agenda is as Anti God and Anti Christian as any canidate in the land. He is pro gay, pro abortion, etc.

Fiyahstarter 03-24-2008 07:18 PM

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My assistant pastor is a black man. He is an awesome man of God, man of wisdom, man of scruples, man of integrity, man of decision-making. For these reasons, I would vote for him IN A HEARTBEAT if he were running for president.

I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA!

It has nothing to do with race, and I have VERY LITTLE TOLERANCE for racism on any "color" spectrum!

You cannot keep racism alive and then also expect it to go away.

Fiyahstarter 03-24-2008 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 422717)
I don't see how one's race makes them more fair than any other race...in fact that sounds like racism

AMEN!

Rico 03-24-2008 07:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 422707)
So.......I take it that you wouldn't be against a White Entertainment TV Channel as long as it empowered the white race without tearing down other races?

You wouldn't be against a White Miss America pageant?

What if a political organization was set up to empower white people that wasn't tearing down other races?

Are you telling me that you would have no problem with this? If not, why is it fair game for one race, but not fair for other races?

It's my opinion that race organizations such as these are what is making our racial problems worse. They exist to keep race on the forefront of the American mindset.

If america wants racial unity, all race-related organizations should be banned, IMHO!

Brother, white people don't them kind of organizations cause they already run everything! ;)

HeavenlyOne 03-24-2008 08:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 422717)
I don't see how one's race makes them more fair than any other race...in fact that sounds like racism

I live in an area where Indians are the majority, even over white people.

They wear hats and shirts that say 'Native Pride'.

I take no offense. I think it's cool that they are proud of their heritage.

But if I wear a hat or shirt with 'White Pride' stamped on it, I'd be shot for being a white supremacist.

HeavenlyOne 03-24-2008 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 422724)
I object to Obama on the basis of his policies and poor judgement and lack of experience. It has nothing to do with his race.

I would gladly support Condi Rice, Colin Powell, J.C. Watts or any other number of black Americans to High Office.

It is wrong to vote for someone just because of their race and that appears to be what you are doing. His liberal agenda is as Anti God and Anti Christian as any canidate in the land. He is pro gay, pro abortion, etc.

My mom was sure that Condi was going to run during the last election.

We were hoping Colin Powell was going to run two elections ago.

Rico 03-24-2008 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 422768)

But if I wear a hat or shirt with 'White Pride' stamped on it, I'd be shot for being a white supremacist.

Better make sure you don't wear one then!! :)


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