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CC1 04-01-2008 07:08 AM

Obama Doesn't Want Daughters"Punished With A Baby"
 
While campaigning last Sunday in PA Barak Obama made clear his view of unborn human life. Below is a quote from him while he was discussing contraceptives available for teenagers, abortion, etc;


" I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

CC1 04-01-2008 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 429082)
While campaigning last Sunday in PA Barak Obama made clear his view of unborn human life. Below is a quote from him while he was discussing contraceptives available for teenagers, abortion, etc;


" I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Once again we see the same people who will go to extraordinary lengths to save a whale or snail darter view unborn human life as a nuisance.

MissBrattified 04-01-2008 07:09 AM

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*sigh*

Pressing-On 04-01-2008 07:17 AM

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Wow, post the link, CC1!

Scott Hutchinson 04-01-2008 07:42 AM

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Really I'm not surprised.

DividedThigh 04-01-2008 07:53 AM

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it was just a matter of time before the real feelings came out, good night, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, punished, good grief, dt

Margies3 04-01-2008 08:48 AM

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Unfortunately, altho we here disagree with that stand, in the outside world that same stand will WIN him some votes :(

tamor 04-01-2008 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 429225)
Unfortunately, altho we here disagree with that stand, in the outside world that same stand will WIN him some votes :(

Yep.

DividedThigh 04-01-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 429225)
Unfortunately, altho we here disagree with that stand, in the outside world that same stand will WIN him some votes :(

that is a shame that a precious little one is viewed as a nuisance, to sad for words, dt:kickcan

BrotherEastman 04-01-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 429082)
While campaigning last Sunday in PA Barak Obama made clear his view of unborn human life. Below is a quote from him while he was discussing contraceptives available for teenagers, abortion, etc;


" I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

I didn't know that having a baby was punishment.

BrotherEastman 04-01-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 429085)
*sigh*

LOL! exactly.

The Mrs 04-01-2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 429433)
I didn't know that having a baby was punishment.

It might be if you were 12 yrs old and had one. :gaga

RandyWayne 04-01-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 429461)
It might be if you were 12 yrs old and had one. :gaga

.....or 38. LOL

joyful 04-01-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 429461)
It might be if you were 12 yrs old and had one. :gaga

I disagree with the wording of Obama's comments, but I do agree that a young pre-teen or teenage pregnancy is not going to be viewed as a blessing by that child that is having a child.

We had an article on young teenage mothers in our newspaper last weekend that was haunting. Of course, I don't believe that abortion or handing out contraceptives in schools are the answer to these problems either. They've been doing it for the last 20 years and teens are still contracting STD's and becoming pregnant.

BrotherEastman 04-01-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 429461)
It might be if you were 12 yrs old and had one. :gaga

Then there's that. (Btw, I like the new avatar)

DividedThigh 04-01-2008 11:32 AM

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while obamas sentiment however worded is accepted by some, i think his prob is the attitude, a baby is not a punishment, it is the gift of god, if you dont want to raise the baby let someone who wants to do it, do not murder the innocent, dt

The Mrs 04-01-2008 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 429491)
Then there's that. (Btw, I like the new avatar)

Thanks muches! :waving

The Mrs 04-01-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 429501)
while obamas sentiment however worded is accepted by some, i think his prob is the attitude, a baby is not a punishment, it is the gift of god, if you dont want to raise the baby let someone who wants to do it, do not murder the innocent, dt

:friend

DividedThigh 04-01-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 429503)
:friend

nice pic sis, amen to you, dt

joyful 04-01-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 429501)
while obamas sentiment however worded is accepted by some, i think his prob is the attitude, a baby is not a punishment, it is the gift of god, if you dont want to raise the baby let someone who wants to do it, do not murder the innocent, dt

Exactly!

Antipas 04-01-2008 11:43 AM

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Some do believe that young women shouldn't have access to birth control and should be forced to have children if they have sex. The attitude is, "It serve them right for being little harlots."

I don't believe that having a child is a "punishment" but I do believe that a young teenage girl having a child is definitely not a blessing.

We're loosing the point of what was said to quibble about words. The point is that Obama feels it's best to allow young women access to contraceptives and family planning measures. As with all things there are pros and cons with this. As Christians we must realize that this is the world we live in and that we have to raise our children in the fear and admonition of the Lord...the government's not going to do it and neither is it the government's job.

DividedThigh 04-01-2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Antipas (Post 429521)
Some do believe that young women shouldn't have access to birth control and should be forced to have children if they have sex. The attitude is, "It serve them right for being little harlots."

I don't believe that having a child is a "punishment" but I do believe that a young teenage girl having a child is definitely not a blessing.

We're loosing the point of what was said to quibble about words. The point is that Obama feels it's best to allow young women access to contraceptives and family planning measures. As with all things there are pros and cons with this. As Christians we must realize that this is the world we live in and that we have to raise our children in the fear and admonition of the Lord...the government's not going to do it and neither is it the government's job.

i believe i allready stated that there attitude while debatable is understandable, but the heart of the matter is not compounding sin by murdering , and yes it is up to us to teach whether it takes or not, dt

Antipas 04-01-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 429528)
i believe i allready stated that there attitude while debatable is understandable, but the heart of the matter is not compounding sin by murdering , and yes it is up to us to teach whether it takes or not, dt

I agree that we shouldn't compound the sin by murdering. Most Americans seem to believe that this choice is most likely best left up to individual women. So we have to teach and educate because things aren't going to change.

Praxeas 04-01-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 429082)
While campaigning last Sunday in PA Barak Obama made clear his view of unborn human life. Below is a quote from him while he was discussing contraceptives available for teenagers, abortion, etc;


" I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Sheeeesh...I'd hate to punish that baby with a grandfather like that....have the child and give it to a home that is not full of baby haters

Rico 04-01-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 429251)
that is a shame that a precious little one is viewed as a nuisance, to sad for words, dt:kickcan

My kids are a total pain in the b***!!! :D





















Still, I can't imagine life without them!

Margies3 04-01-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 429859)
Sheeeesh...I'd hate to punish that baby with a grandfather like that....have the child and give it to a home that is not full of baby haters

Prax! I knew there was a reason I like you!! Anyone PRO-ADOPTION is good in my book :)

RandyWayne 04-01-2008 03:51 PM

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We are VERY pro-adoption. In fact, in the next few years we plan on pursuing that route ourself.

MissBrattified 04-01-2008 03:56 PM

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Any child is a blessing, no matter who he or she is born to. However, a child is not ready to raise a child, and if the grandparents or aunts or uncles or other family are not willing or able, then adoption is the best alternative, IMO.

What Obama is saying is that he wouldn't want his daughters to suffer the consequences of their actions, and I totally disagree with that sentiment. I believe in natural consequences, and in the case of unplanned pregnancy, it certainly will teach a long-lasting lesson.

I don't agree with the extremity of this statement: "The attitude is, "It serve them right for being little harlots."

HOWEVER, there is something to be gained from natural consequences of behavior, and when we remove consequences for bad behavior, then we potentially increase the bad behavior. (Obviously) And when I say "bad" behavior, that is precisely what I mean.

I don't think those who have a baby out of wedlock should have huge, celebratory baby showers, either. But I suppose that will make me unpopular. :) I certainly don't mind giving them necessities, but I don't think it should be as festive and fun as those who go about it properly.

Oh dear. I'm sounding so old fashioned. :coffee2

Praxeas 04-01-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 429914)
Any child is a blessing, no matter who he or she is born to. However, a child is not ready to raise a child, and if the grandparents or aunts or uncles or other family are not willing or able, then adoption is the best alternative, IMO.

What Obama is saying is that he wouldn't want his daughters to suffer the consequences of their actions, and I totally disagree with that sentiment. I believe in natural consequences, and in the case of unplanned pregnancy, it certainly will teach a long-lasting lesson.

I don't agree with the extremity of this statement: "The attitude is, "It serve them right for being little harlots."

HOWEVER, there is something to be gained from natural consequences of behavior, and when we remove consequences for bad behavior, then we potentially increase the bad behavior. (Obviously) And when I say "bad" behavior, that is precisely what I mean.

I don't think those who have a baby out of wedlock should have huge, celebratory baby showers, either. But I suppose that will make me unpopular. :) I certainly don't mind giving them necessities, but I don't think it should be as festive and fun as those who go about it properly.

Oh dear. I'm sounding so old fashioned. :coffee2

Maybe that is our nations problems....we keep removing the consequences of our actions. We find cures for STDs so the fornicators and homosexuals can enjoy their life styles. We have no more consequences for adultery so that is running rampant too. We have high school teachers...females, having sex with under age students and getting away with hardly a slap on the hand now.

If you watch any amount of TV all these things are considered normal now...it's no wonder American society is so lax.

Jack Shephard 04-01-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 429082)
While campaigning last Sunday in PA Barak Obama made clear his view of unborn human life. Below is a quote from him while he was discussing contraceptives available for teenagers, abortion, etc;


" I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

I would not want my daughter punished with a baby either. But that is what you get for doing the crime. I am for the death penalty though I hate for anyone to die. I believe in getting what you deserve, but I believe in mercy too. To everything there is a season.

If my daughter comes up pregnant it is my job as a father to teacher her not to get in that situation, but if she does it is my job to help her too.

OP_Carl 04-01-2008 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 429914)
Any child is a blessing, no matter who he or she is born to. However, a child is not ready to raise a child, and if the grandparents or aunts or uncles or other family are not willing or able, then adoption is the best alternative, IMO.

What Obama is saying is that he wouldn't want his daughters to suffer the consequences of their actions, and I totally disagree with that sentiment. I believe in natural consequences, and in the case of unplanned pregnancy, it certainly will teach a long-lasting lesson.

HOWEVER, there is something to be gained from natural consequences of behavior, and when we remove consequences for bad behavior, then we potentially increase the bad behavior. (Obviously) And when I say "bad" behavior, that is precisely what I mean.

Oh dear. I'm sounding so old fashioned. :coffee2

You sound like you're just two huffs and puffs away from starting your own thread about contraception! :ursofunny

:D

ReformedDave 04-01-2008 06:29 PM

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The dignity of a human stops in the womb. We forget that even the unborn resemble their Creator.

OP_Carl 04-01-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 430028)
The dignity of a human stops in the womb. We forget that even the unborn resemble their Creator.

Soon, the dignity of a human will stop nursing home when the money runs out. Medicare isn't going to be around for ALL of us. The culture of death. What a hoot. And it all started with a teeny tiny little pill . . .

ReformedDave 04-01-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 430031)
Soon, the dignity of a human will stop nursing home when the money runs out. Medicare isn't going to be around for ALL of us. The culture of death. What a hoot. And it all started with a teeny tiny little pill . . .

Actually it began with "“Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

TRFrance 04-01-2008 09:19 PM

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Shooting himself in the foot again, I see.

It's interesting to see the Obama campaign commit slow motion suicide.

This is truly "death by a thousand cuts"

Rico 04-01-2008 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 430170)
Shooting himself in the foot again, I see.

It's interesting to see the Obama campaign commit slow motion suicide.

This is truly "death by a thousand cuts"

It's no secret that he's pro choice. There's no shooting himself in the foot here.

TRFrance 04-01-2008 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 430171)
It's no secret that he's pro choice. There's no shooting himself in the foot here.

Regardless of the fact that he's "pro-choice"/pro-abortion....it's a very ill advised comment, and a poor choice of words.

He's made more than his fair share of dumb/questionable comments lately.
And I know for sure that there are more comments he made that many Americans, including you maybe, don't even know about... yet.

Believe me.. the more he talks, the more he's going to say stuff that's damaging to his campaign.
...which of course, is fine by me.

Rico 04-01-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 430181)
Regardless of the fact that he's "pro-choice"/pro-abortion....it's a very ill advised comment, and a poor choice of words.

He's made more than his fair share of dumb/questionable comments lately.
And I know for sure that there are more comments he made that many Americans, including you maybe, don't even know about... yet.

Believe me.. the more he talks, the more he's going to say stuff that's damaging to his campaign.
...which of course, is fine by me.

Nothing he says would please you, so of course you are going to find fault in what he says.

Antipas 04-01-2008 10:12 PM

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Just wait until real competition starts and McCain starts talking.

Mosby48 04-02-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 429145)
it was just a matter of time before the real feelings came out, good night, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, punished, good grief, dt

That's the problem with Obama. Nobody knows what he really thinks or believes about anything. I'm afraid of what else he believes.


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