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Esther 04-30-2008 08:45 PM

Hell Bound? Says who???
 
I have noticed quite a bit of folks comfortable sending folks to hell with THEIR personal interpretation of the scriptures.

Some say one steppers are hell bound.
Some say three steppers are just as wrong.
Some say wearing red is the devils color...hell bound.

Just some examples of the years I see quite often.

My question is where does anyone feel they have the right to say anyone is going to hell? Has God told them someone was going to hell based on THEIR interpretations?

You may BELIEVE with all your heart you have the right interpretation AND according to YOUR interpretation that would send anyone to hell, for whatever reason you may have come up with.

But I would strongly urge you to leave hell bound to scriptures that are very clear in that regards.

Such as all liars will have their place in hell. That is Bible. Not someone's personal opinion of the matter.

It makes me very uncomfortable to see "Christians" sending other "Christians" to hell based on THEIR personal interpretations.

JMO

Does anyone else feel this way?

rgcraig 04-30-2008 08:46 PM

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Yes Esther, I feel that way.

Esther 04-30-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 454157)
Yes Esther, I feel that way.

Thanks Renda. I consider you a very balance person.

I would hate to think I stand along in this thought. :)

OneAccord 04-30-2008 08:53 PM

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Yep. I do. As Christians, our primary job is to reach the lost with the Gospel. Our number one concern should be to reach every lost soul with the Gospel. I have never been able to understand how we can honestly say we are concerned for lost souls when we are so busy consigning their souls to hell. And what is even more disturbing is the almost gleeful attitude of some who are doing the consigning.

rgcraig 04-30-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 454171)
Yep. I do. As Christians, our primary job is to reach the lost with the Gospel. Our number one concern should be to reach every lost soul with the Gospel. I have never been able to understand how we can honestly say we are concerned for lost souls when we are so busy consigning their souls to hell. And what is even more disturbing is the almost gleeful attitude of some who are doing the consigning.

Then argue that they weren't gleeful, when it's right there in the posts with :ursofunny smilie being used. Very disappointed.

ChristopherHall 04-30-2008 08:59 PM

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I feel that way too. I think it shows a high degree of spiritual immaturity. A mature Christian can present what they believe to be absolutely true, explain why and give supporting texts and interpretations. However, at the end of the discussion the salvation of our Christian friends and brethren is ultimately in God's hands.

That's my take on it.

Esther 04-30-2008 08:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 454171)
Yep. I do. As Christians, our primary job is to reach the lost with the Gospel. Our number one concern should be to reach every lost soul with the Gospel. I have never been able to understand how we can honestly say we are concerned for lost souls when we are so busy consigning their souls to hell. And what is even more disturbing is the almost gleeful attitude of some who are doing the consigning.

I know what you mean.

Although, I know there are also some that sincerely believe what they are saying.

I remember getting in trouble as a seven year old for telling my neighbor she was going to hell since she didn't have the Holy Ghost.

I was taught that and believed it, yet I didn't really understand it.

Many scriptures that I was "taught" the meaning of, I have studied out as an adult and realize the entire thought was not taken into consideration. Therefore, giving a wrong interpretation, in my opinion.

I have this personal agenda I was to know the whole TRUTH no matter if it is a tradition I have to break or a change that would be required to make in my life.

The Bible says if you do not have a LOVE for the TRUTH you will believe the lie.

I pray God give me a LOVE for the TRUTH!

I don't want to be deceived in any way. Not to do things I don't have to do, not not do things I should be doing.

I hope this makes sense as it is past my usual bedtime. :)

Esther 04-30-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall (Post 454176)
I feel that way too. I think it shows a high degree of spiritual immaturity. A mature Christian can present what they believe to be absolutely true, explain why and give supporting texts and interpretations. However, at the end of the discussion the salvation of our Christian friends and brethren is ultimately in God's hands.

That's my take on it.

I agree with you here. I was once there and very immature, but thought I knew it all. :)

OneAccord 04-30-2008 09:09 PM

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I remember a preacher who was confronted by a snuff dipper. The Dipper said, "Preacher, are you telling me that I'm going to hell for dippin' snuff!?!" The preacher said, No, sir, I'm not sayin' that at all. But you know, I'm afraid there might be an empty chair at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb if you don't stop usin' that stuff!"

freeatlast 04-30-2008 09:11 PM

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I am in agreement here. Many of us do not have clue the danger we put ourselves in when we make such judgements.

Esther 04-30-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 454195)
I am in agreement here. Many of us do not have clue the danger we put ourselves in when we make such judgements.

That is exactly my concern.:tissue

OneAccord 04-30-2008 09:18 PM

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Remember the preacher from La who was so vocal in his demands to get rid of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker? He lead the charge and would have burned them at the stake if he could. But his judgement of them wasn't as severe as the judgement he brought upon himself. Yeah, judgement is a dangerous weapon. If we aren't careful our judging others often goes off like Barney Fifes gun and ends up shooting ourselves in the foot!

Esther 04-30-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 454199)
Remember the preacher from La who was so vocal in his demands to get rid of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker? He lead the charge and would have burned them at the stake if he could. But his judgement of them wasn't as severe as the judgement he brought upon himself. Yeah, judgement is a dangerous weapon. If we aren't careful our judging others often goes off like Barney Fifes gun and ends up shooting ourselves in the foot!

Yes.

As I recall the Bible says you will be judged by the same measure in which YOU judge.

Lord help me to judge with mercy, grace and LOVE!

OneAccord 04-30-2008 09:30 PM

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.... and wisdom. Lord, help me to judge with wisdom.

I saw a man on the job having a seizure. Some men crowded around and I judged them to be good guys helping out of concern. Good Samaritians. Later I found out my judgement was off. They were only helping themselves to the mans wallet and other personal belongings. Sometimes, what may seem right, might be all wrong. Thats where judging with wisdom comes in. And condemning others to hell is not what I'd call judging with mercy, grace, love, or wisdom.

Hoovie 04-30-2008 09:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 454155)
I have noticed quite a bit of folks comfortable sending folks to hell with THEIR personal interpretation of the scriptures.

Some say one steppers are hell bound.
Some say three steppers are just as wrong.
Some say wearing red is the devils color...hell bound.

Just some examples of the years I see quite often.

My question is where does anyone feel they have the right to say anyone is going to hell? Has God told them someone was going to hell based on THEIR interpretations?

You may BELIEVE with all your heart you have the right interpretation AND according to YOUR interpretation that would send anyone to hell, for whatever reason you may have come up with.

But I would strongly urge you to leave hell bound to scriptures that are very clear in that regards.

Such as all liars will have their place in hell. That is Bible. Not someone's personal opinion of the matter.

It makes me very uncomfortable to see "Christians" sending other "Christians" to hell based on THEIR personal interpretations.

JMO

Does anyone else feel this way?

Esther, I hereby nominate this as the post of the decade!!

AMEN!!
:bliss

Sept5SavedTeen 04-30-2008 09:35 PM

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My question is, do we still understand that condemning our fellow Christian does NOT include a trinitarian who calls themself a Christian, but hasn't obeyed the Gospel?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Esther 04-30-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 454222)
My question is, do we still understand that condemning our fellow Christian does NOT include a trinitarian who calls themself a Christian, but hasn't obeyed the Gospel?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I am not following you here. Are you saying it is ok to say a trinitarian is going to hell?

Esther 04-30-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 454216)
Esther, I hereby nominate this as the post of the decade!!

AMEN!!
:bliss

Thanks bro, but that is way over the top! :)

Steve Epley 04-30-2008 09:39 PM

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Pearson is right NO one is going to Hell it has been closed and no longer open for business. The Buddists, Moslems, Atheists, whatever.
Take Hell-judgment-damnation-death out of the Bible.

Esther 04-30-2008 09:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454225)
Pearson is right NO one is going to Hell it has been closed and no longer open for business. The Buddists, Moslems, Atheists, whatever.
Take Hell-judgment-damnation-death out of the Bible.

Wrong.

There is specific Bible for who is going to hell.

OneAccord 04-30-2008 09:40 PM

Re: Hell Bound? Says who???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 454222)
My question is, do we still understand that condemning our fellow Christian does NOT include a trinitarian who calls themself a Christian, but hasn't obeyed the Gospel?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

No, if I understand your question correctly, I, personally, do not condemn trinitarians to hell. If they are Christians, I consider them brothers and sisters in the Lord and I just don't consign brothers and sisters to hell.

I pray they will obey the Gospel. I pray that I will obey the Gospel. I pray everyone obeys the Gospel, including that often overlooked verse that says something like "Judge not..."

I wish someone would post a verse or two that says "All trinitarians are hell bound". I don't remember reading that.

Esther 04-30-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 454228)
No, if I understand your question correctly, I, personally, do not condemn trinitarians to hell. If they are Christians, I consider them brothers and sisters in the Lord and I just don't consign brothers and sisters to hell.

I pray they will obey the Gospel. I pray that I will obey the Gospel. I pray everyone obeys the Gospel, including that often overlooked verse that says something like "Judge not..."

I have yet to figure out when WE got ALL the revelations of the Bible! Do we know everything? Are we not still learning and growing in the Word?

God knows all of our hearts. Those who refuse to obey and those who have yet to learn what they need to obey.

Steve Epley 04-30-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 454227)
Wrong.

There is specific Bible for who is going to hell.

Yes the unbelieving that is ALL Trinitarians and liars that ALL Trinitarian preachers.
Whosoever maketh and loveth a lie the whole Trinitarian world.

Cindy 04-30-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast (Post 454195)
I am in agreement here. Many of us do not have clue the danger we put ourselves in when we make such judgements.

Yes because GOD is a righteous judge. He alone has that power. Men do not.

Esther 04-30-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454237)
Yes the unbelieving that is ALL Trinitarians and liars that ALL Trinitarian preachers.
Whosoever maketh and loveth a lie the whole Trinitarian world.

The unbelieving of what or who?

The Trinitarians believe in God. So what is the unbelieving you are referring to here?

rgcraig 04-30-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454237)
Yes the unbelieving that is ALL Trinitarians and liars that ALL Trinitarian preachers.
Whosoever maketh and loveth a lie the whole Trinitarian world.

Are there some commas or something missing here?

Steve Epley 04-30-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 454241)
The unbelieving of what or who?

The Trinitarians believe in God. So what is the unbelieving you are referring to here?

John 8:24 except ye believe I am he ye shall die in your sins. He is NOT the second person of the Trinity thus they do not believe in the Jesus of the Apostles. EVERY Trinitarian is lost.

OneAccord 04-30-2008 09:50 PM

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Nature will teach us alot if we will just observe. A baby who hasn't learned to obey isn't held to the same "standard" as, say, a teenager who knows to obey and doesn't. We don't send an infant to his room without supper for soiling their diaper. But we will ground (or beat the tar out of, just kidding... or am I?) a teenager for wilful disobedience of what they know. Any parent should know that. Don't ya think God is smarter than us?

Cindy 04-30-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 454243)
Are there some commas or something missing here?

Yeah, I didn't understand that either.

rgcraig 04-30-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454244)
John 8:24 except ye believe I am he ye shall die in your sins. He is NOT the second person of the Trinity thus they do not believe in the Jesus of the Apostles. EVERY Trinitarian is lost.

But, they do believe that Jesus is God, right? So, if that is so, then they believe "I am he". I don't know any trinitarian that doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

Steve Epley 04-30-2008 09:55 PM

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I will try again
the unbelieving which is all trinitarians are lost Rev. 21;8
ALL liars ,Trinity preachers, shall have their part.

Cindy 04-30-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454256)
I will try again
the unbelieving which is all trinitarians are lost Rev. 21;8
ALL liars Trinity preachers shall have their part.

Trinity preachers preach lies because they don't preach that Jesus is God?

Ron 04-30-2008 09:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454225)
Pearson is right NO one is going to Hell it has been closed and no longer open for business. The Buddists, Moslems, Atheists, whatever.
Take Hell-judgment-damnation-death out of the Bible.

You said it Elder!

Everyones going to Heaven!

Except for those real "bad" people.

And soon they will go too!


Sad!:(

Timmy 04-30-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454256)
I will try again
the unbelieving which is all trinitarians are lost Rev. 21;8
ALL liars ,Trinity preachers, shall have their part.

Welcome back, Elder! I missed you. :friend

OneAccord 04-30-2008 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 454244)
John 8:24 except ye believe I am he ye shall die in your sins. He is NOT the second person of the Trinity thus they do not believe in the Jesus of the Apostles. EVERY Trinitarian is lost.

Well, at least he didn't say they were hellbound.

Thank you for posting that verse, brother. A little out of context in that in that entire chapter Jesus not once said He was God. Referred to Himself as the Son, as the way the truth and the Life, as the One who came from His Father, but not once as God.

And what I also find interesting is that, in that same chapter, He refused to enter a judgement against a woman who was legally and morally bound for hell. An adulteress, worthy of death. But He forgave her.

Sept5SavedTeen 04-30-2008 10:05 PM

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Yes, Ester, I am saying we have a duty and obligation to preach the WHOLE counsel of GOD to the lost, and that includes trintarians and that includes telling them that they are going to hell. Your thoughts?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Cindy 04-30-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 454271)
Yes, Ester, I am saying we have a duty and obligation to preach the WHOLE counsel of GOD to the lost, and that includes trintarians and that includes telling them that they are going to hell. Your thoughts?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

How do you win someone by telling them they are going to hell?

AmazingGrace 04-30-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 454277)
How do you win someone by telling them they are going to hell?

I was wondering the same thing but then I guess we should ask the number of people who attend the same church as he... that might clear up some things... how many have you won in the last yr sept???

rgcraig 04-30-2008 10:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen (Post 454271)
Yes, Ester, I am saying we have a duty and obligation to preach the WHOLE counsel of GOD to the lost, and that includes trintarians and that includes telling them that they are going to hell. Your thoughts?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Dear Lord in Heaven, help us all!!!!

Ron 04-30-2008 10:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 454281)
I was wondering the same thing but then I guess we should ask the number of people who attend the same church as he... that might clear up some things... how many have you won in the last yr sept???

Obviously he is wrong!!

No one goes to Hell!


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