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SDG 05-16-2008 09:42 AM

Did Paul intend for his writings to be Holy Writ?
 
Before I continue any further, let me pre-empt this post w/ the following disclaimers

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1. I believe the Bible to be infallible and the inerrant God-breathed Word of God.
2. I believe that the epistles are canon, apply today and are beneficial to the Church
3. Paul is my favorite NT writer and believe everything he did, spoke and wrote are the actions of a Spirit-filled Christian. I am enamored w/ his style and simplicity. His 3 basic themes of faith, hope and love permeate and are interwoven masterfully in his writings.
Now here goes ….

Paul, like other Jewish Christians, considered the Torah and the words of the prophets to be Scripture. As a religious scholar who considered himself as once being the chief of the Pharisees and who studied under the feet of Gamaliel … writes to his son in the Lord, Timothy …


16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Even the most novice theologian will tell you that when he wrote these words he did so as advice to a young pastor and mentee in the Lord.

And I believe … it’s safe to say that he did not believe this correspondence to be the Scripture described in this passage. I think it’s also safe to say that the other Hebraic epistle writers did not know that their writings would be compiled into a second or New Testament to be added to what they considered Scripture (the OT?).

Considering the nature of these letters that are targeted to specific churches and/or individuals … must we keep the purpose and audience of these letters into account when we are rightly dividing the Word of God.

1. For example, as a pastor/overseer of many works in Asia and Europe we see Paul addressing various issues and topics that are unique to a particular church region.

It’s believed that other letters ( possibly 4 total?) were written to the church in Corinth … yet we have only 2 in our bibles.

Were the other letters not inspired by the Spirit of God? If we were to uncover them today would we need to add them to our Bibles?

Undoubtedly, there is valuable and God inspired commandments, counsel and modern-day applications found in Paul’s writings to these specific churches. We get invaluable insight to the Apostles doctrine of the 1st century church from these epistles also.

Yet there are instances that we find traces in these letters that may not be directly from the lips of God.

2. Paul, at times, gives his personal opinion …

In the following two verses quoted as examples, Paul admits he was not inspired in giving some of his advice. He states that had "given his (personal) opinion" and had expressed what he personally "thought to be good".

Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord;
but I give my opinion.....

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I think then that this is good for the present distress,
{I say}, that {it is} good for a man to remain as he is.
1 Corin. 7:25/26

3 There are times we see him express personal issues he has w/ others … along w/ open personal rebukes.

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Galatians 2:11 But when Cephas 1 came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he had clearly done wrong. 2:12 Until 4 certain people came from James, he had been eating with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he stopped doing this 5 and separated himself 6 because he was afraid of those who were pro-circumcision. 7 2:13 And the rest of the Jews also joined with him in this hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray with them by their hypocrisy. 2:14 But when I saw that they were not behaving consistently with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “If you, although you are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you try to force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
4. Paul changing his mind …

In 2 Cor 2:5-11

Paul wrote to instruct the Corinthians on what to do about the particular man who had previously caused him so much trouble but now had repented. Paul instructed the Corinthians to forgive him and receive him back.

In another instance had cast away Mark, as being a frivolous and irresponsible young man, but years later he calls for him believing he is useful to the ministry.

5. Paul using the letters to defend himself against those who opposed and criticized him

Ex: In Second Corinthians

10:1-13:10
In this section, Paul turns his attention to the minority that still opposes him. The tone of the letter changes from conciliatory to confrontational.

10:1-18
Paul defends himself against the charges that he is timid in person but bold when he writes to them and that he lives "according to the flesh." He explains that unlike his opponents, he and his colleagues do not compare themselves, commend themselves or boast beyond limits.

11:1-12:13
Paul unwillingly compares himself to his opponents, the "super-apostles," in order to prove that he is not their inferior. He does so with great reservation because he believes that a criterion of apostolic ministry is "weakness," which is incompatible with such self-assertion. He explains how God gave him a "thorn in the flesh" to prevent him from becoming conceited after having heard inexpressible things while caught up in the third heaven.

c. 12:14-13:10
Paul announces to the Corinthians that he is soon coming again to Corinth, and he defends himself against the charge that he exploits the Corinthian during his visits. Paul tells them that he does not want to find sin in the church when he comes and warns his remaining opponents that he will not spare them upon his third visit. He admonishes them to examine themselves to be sure that they are in the faith.


6. And there are times we see him share mundane and business related matters w/ little or no bearing to us ….

Everything from farewells, greetings, appeals for offerings and even travel plans …

2 Cor 1:12-2:4
Paul wrote to defend himself against the charge that he changed his travel plans several times without justification. The charge was that Paul could not be trusted to do what he promised. He explained that, each time he changed his travel plans, he had a good reason.

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And so the question in my thread title still holds:

Did Paul consider or intend for his letters to be holy writ?

What considerations should we make when reconciling the nature of these writings and our obligation to rightly divide the Word?

Do all of his words hold equal weight w/ pronouncements from God through the prophets, patriarchs and even those quoted by Jesus in the Gospels and Revelation?

What must we factor when teaching and formulating doctrine based on the Epsitles? Target audience? Purpose of writing? Specific issues germaine to the time and culture?

Is Paul rolling over in his grave at the sight of how the modern-day Church has handled, or maybe mis-handled, his letters?

Cindy 05-16-2008 10:12 AM

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We can't know the answers to your question, although you seem to have come to a conclusion. He certainly knew the Word of God would live beyone his time, but how could he know that his writings would become part of it? I don't really know. But they are.

Encryptus 05-16-2008 10:22 AM

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Interesting but of course rhetorical question.

It is obvious when Paul speaks of scripture he meant Torah because the Bible as we know was not canonized within his lifetime, or even his generation.

It would be interesting to see how Christendom would react if for example the lost espistle to the Laodiceans were found

Jack Shephard 05-16-2008 10:22 AM

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Often times writers or people that write their work becomes more prolific after their passing. You often see this with painters and other artist as well. I think that Paul meant for his writtings to be used to motivate and to lead a people. There is no way to know for certain whether he meant them to be Holy Writ. I believe that God led him to write it and God did the rest.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:23 AM

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Indeed, Encryptus ...

Colossians 4:16, mentions a letter sent to the church in Laodicea.

"Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea."

Most commentators on this passage express the view that this letter must have been lost. Yet, that is a surprising opinion when you think about the care early Christians took in preserving the words of God. We also need to remember Jesus' promise expressed in Mark 13:31, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." Jesus was stating the certainty of the prophesy that he just made, but it remains that God views his word as permanent. The apostles also say that their writings would be long-lasting. "Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because "All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away, But the word of the LORD endures forever." Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you" (I Peter 1:22-25).

The idea that we have lost a letter that was known to at least two congregations is very disturbing.

So, what has happened to the letter to the Laodiceans?

http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org...2003-10-29.htm

SDG 05-16-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Encryptus (Post 464921)
Interesting but of course rhetorical question.

It is obvious when Paul speaks of scripture he meant Torah because the Bible as we know was not canonized within his lifetime, or even his generation.

It would be interesting to see how Christendom would react if for example the lost espistle to the Laodiceans were found

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 464922)
Often times writers or people that write their work becomes more prolific after their passing. You often see this with painters and other artist as well. I think that Paul meant for his writtings to be used to motivate and to lead a people. There is no way to know for certain whether he meant them to be Holy Writ. I believe that God led him to write it and God did the rest.

But what should we factor in formulating and teaching doctrine when it comes to the nature of these letters ...?

By Paul's admission some of it is personal opinion.

James Griffin 05-16-2008 10:32 AM

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Daniel there is a difference between questioning the theology found in Paul's "letters" - Mainly Romans, and Hebrews etc. and the pastoral letters concerning dress and conduct. Women's hair- "we have no other custom".

Are you attempting to delineate between the two or are you suggesting nothing but the historical books (Gospels and Acts) should be considered sacred. Or that only the prophetic book (Revelation) should be?

What are you purposing be accepted as sacred, and what are you purposing be accepted as Apostle Paul's suggestion?

Where would the line be drawn and what would be the criteria. And if more importantly who would decide?

SDG 05-16-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 464930)
Daniel there is a difference between questioning the theology found in Paul's "letters" - Mainly Romans, and Hebrews etc. and the pastoral letters concerning dress and conduct. Women's hair- "we have no other custom".

Are you attempting to delineate between the two or are you suggesting nothing but the historical books (Gospels and Acts) should be considered sacred. Or that only the prophetic book (Revelation) should be?

What are you purposing be accepted as sacred, and what are you purposing be accepted as Apostle Paul's suggestion?

Where would the line be drawn and what would be the criteria. And if more importantly who would decide?

All very good questions ... That we need to examine, James.

I think the Bible as we have it is sacred, BTW ... including the Epistles.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:40 AM

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On the subject of the pastoral passages found in Paul's writings ... James ...

Does the pastoral advice to one individual ... or church ... apply to all in all instances for all time?

deltaguitar 05-16-2008 10:40 AM

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Hmmm . . . I thought that at the council of something or another they decided what was cannon and what wasn't.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 464937)
Hmmm . . . I thought that at the council of something or another they decided what was cannon and what wasn't.

And they were trinitarians. *GASP*

Timmy 05-16-2008 10:43 AM

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And what about Jude? He quotes The Book of Enoch, apparently accepting it as authoritative (calls it prophecy), and yet we don't include it in today's canon. (Most of us, anyway.) Was Jude "inspired" to quote a non-scriptural book? Have we goofed in excluding it?

Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch 1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464940)
And what about Jude? He quotes The Book of Enoch, apparently accepting it as authoritative (calls it prophecy), and yet we don't include it in today's canon. (Most of us, anyway.) Was Jude "inspired" to quote a non-scriptural book? Have we goofed in excluding it?

Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch 1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


Excellent point, Timmy.

Cindy 05-16-2008 10:46 AM

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Daniel it is what it is, we can all come to conclusions and have opinions, that doesn't mean we are right or wrong. Unless the Holy Ghost revealed it unto Paul that his words would be part of Holy scriptures, we still can't know what his intentions were when he wrote them. I believe he wrote to edify and teach, and just like most of us draw from our own experiences. I also don't believe you should choose certain scriptures to try to prove it either way. It's either all of his writings or none of his writings. Because we know he followed Jesus Christ's teaching and was filled with the Holy Ghost his words were inspired by God.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:47 AM

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Is it safe to relegate what is Scripture ... to what the disciples would've have considered Holy Writ ...?
Including the Book of Enoch?

I know I wouldn't want to add the book of Moroni ... definitely not God-breathed.

Timmy 05-16-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464945)
Is it safe to relegate what is Scripture ... to what the disciples would've have considered Holy Writ ...?
Including the Book of Enoch?

I know I wouldn't want to add the book of Moroni ... definitely not God-breathed.

Says you! :toofunny

:tic

SDG 05-16-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 464943)
Because we know he followed Jesus Christ's teaching and was filled with the Holy Ghost his words were inspired by God.

But so is Tommy Tenney, Joy Haney, A.A. Allen and Charles Spurgeon ....

Baron1710 05-16-2008 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464940)
And what about Jude? He quotes The Book of Enoch, apparently accepting it as authoritative (calls it prophecy), and yet we don't include it in today's canon. (Most of us, anyway.) Was Jude "inspired" to quote a non-scriptural book? Have we goofed in excluding it?

Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch 1:9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

James also quotes Plato's Republic in James 4:1.

SDG 05-16-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 464949)
James also quotes Plato's Republic in James 4:1.

Didn't Paul also quote a philosopher?

Cindy 05-16-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464948)
But so is Tommy Tenney, Joy Haney, A.A. Allen and Charles Spurgeon ....

Yes!

SDG 05-16-2008 10:55 AM

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Is truth still truth even if it comes from a philosopher?

Baron1710 05-16-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464954)
Is truth still truth even if it comes from a philosopher?

Truth is truth. All truth is God's.

Cindy 05-16-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464954)
Is truth still truth even if it comes from a philosopher?

There are absolute truths Daniel, and all of them are of God. God cannot lie.

DividedThigh 05-16-2008 11:06 AM

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i dont think even the apostle paul was arrogant enough to think his thoughts were scripture quality but god breathed through him because he foresaw our need for principles and scriptural word to follow, in the canonization process god influenced the right people that were involved and invoked his will on the the putting together of the bible, so god did it, without needing pauls intentions, dt

OneAccord 05-16-2008 11:09 AM

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Its odd that Bro. Dan would start this thread. I have just begun reading (for the first time) "The Lost Books of the Bible". It contains "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Laodiceans"

deltaguitar 05-16-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464954)
Is truth still truth even if it comes from a philosopher?

I was reading parts of this book, Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell and he mentions that truth is always truth no matter who it comes from. Many times growing up in our particular religion we are taught that we have the truth and then when we find out we aren't the only ones that have truth we can reject what we have been taught.

SDG 05-16-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 464961)
i dont think even the apostle paul was arrogant enough to think his thoughts were scripture quality but god breathed through him because he foresaw our need for principles and scriptural word to follow, in the canonization process god influenced the right people that were involved and invoked his will on the the putting together of the bible, so god did it, without needing pauls intentions, dt


Okay ... do you think Paul introduced "new commandments" that were not aligned w/ Scripture as we know it/he knew it ?...

For example ... there is no prohibition of jewelry in the Old Testament ... furthermore it is celebrated by God in dressing Israel metaphorically ... Patriarchs used it ... the Jewish people use it until this day... Jesus speaks of it as a reward in one of his parables ....

Yet, modern-day truth bearers ....when formulating doctrine .... use prooftexts from two of his letters to teach that God is against jewelry.

SDG 05-16-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 464963)
Its odd that Bro. Dan would start this thread. I have just begun reading (for the first time) "The Lost Books of the Bible". It contains "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Laodiceans"

Odd ... why, 1A? What have you learned from the book?

DividedThigh 05-16-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464966)
Okay ... do you think Paul introduced "new commandments" that were not aligned w/ Scripture as we know it ?...

For example ... there is no prohibition of jewelry in the Old Testament ... furthermore it is celebrated by God in dressing Israel metaphorically ... Patriarchs used it ... the Jewish people use it until this day... Jesus speaks of it as a reward in one of his parables ....

Yet, modern-day truth bearers ....when formulating doctrine .... use prooftexts from two of his letters to teach that God is against jewelry.

it is my opinion that the apostle paul wrote the epistles under the influence of the holy ghost, god himself knowing that they would become part of the bible, his word and our only hope bro dan, hey how you doing with your friend, bro, dt

SDG 05-16-2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 464964)
I was reading parts of this book, Velvet Elvis by Rob Bell and he mentions that truth is always truth no matter who it comes from. Many times growing up in our particular religion we are taught that we have the truth and then when we find out we aren't the only ones that have truth we can reject what we have been taught.

You mean ... trinitarians have the Truth?

Timmy 05-16-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord (Post 464963)
Its odd that Bro. Dan would start this thread. I have just begun reading (for the first time) "The Lost Books of the Bible". It contains "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Laodiceans"

I wonder if he ever wrote to the church at Lesbos. "Paul's First Epistle to the Lesbians". :lol

SDG 05-16-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464973)
I wonder if he ever wrote to the church at Lesbos. "Paul's First Epistle to the Lesbians". :lol

Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhbekaybe.

DividedThigh 05-16-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464973)
I wonder if he ever wrote to the church at Lesbos. "Paul's First Epistle to the Lesbians". :lol

that is gross timmy my boy, just gross, dt:blah:blah:blah

Encryptus 05-16-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464966)
Okay ... do you think Paul introduced "new commandments" that were not aligned w/ Scripture as we know it ?...

For example ... there is no prohibition of jewelry in the Old Testament ... furthermore it is celebrated by God in dressing Israel metaphorically ... Patriarchs used it ... the Jewish people use it until this day... Jesus speaks of it as a reward in one of his parables ....

Yet, modern-day truth bearers ....when formulating doctrine .... use prooftexts from two of his letters to teach that God is against jewelry.

Was Paul speaking against jewelry per se, or was it against ostentatious displays of wealth at church?

Cindy 05-16-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464966)
Okay ... do you think Paul introduced "new commandments" that were not aligned w/ Scripture as we know it ?...

For example ... there is no prohibition of jewelry in the Old Testament ... furthermore it is celebrated by God in dressing Israel metaphorically ... Patriarchs used it ... the Jewish people use it until this day... Jesus speaks of it as a reward in one of his parables ....

Yet, modern-day truth bearers ....when formulating doctrine .... use prooftexts from two of his letters to teach that God is against jewelry.

I believe when Paul was teaching about modesty, it was for people that "dressed up" in their expensive clothes and jewelry and thought they were better than others. It wasn't just what they wore but their spirit that were wrong. The spirit of pride. Look at me, look at me, I have all this and you don't. And it was being a stumbling block to some new believers. It isn't the jewelry that is wrong. And remember what the Israelites did with their jewelry to make the golden calf.

Encryptus 05-16-2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464973)
I wonder if he ever wrote to the church at Lesbos. "Paul's First Epistle to the Lesbians". :lol

He addressed them sufficiently in Romans Timbo

SDG 05-16-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Encryptus (Post 464977)
Was Paul speaking against jewelry per se, or was it against ostentatious displays of wealth at church?

Definitely the latter in context ...

The same is true when God lashes out against Israel's haughtiness various times in the OT ....

But to say the Word prohibits it ... and to use Paul's writings to prove this ... is not only extrabiblical ... but I believe would offend Paul greatly in various ways.

Cindy 05-16-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 464973)
I wonder if he ever wrote to the church at Lesbos. "Paul's First Epistle to the Lesbians". :lol

Timmy!!!!!!!!

Timmy 05-16-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Encryptus (Post 464980)
He addressed them sufficiently in Romans Timbo

Hey, I was talking about the island, what did you think I meant? :lol

deltaguitar 05-16-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 464972)
You mean ... trinitarians have the Truth?

Of course they have truth. So much of our doctrine comes from them. I am not sure what THE TRUTH is but I can promise you that we Oneness don't have it all either. We set ourselves up for huge failure and loss of our future generations when we claim that we have THE TRUTH and no one else does.


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