New Branhamite Church
 

Over the past year or so when out riding my motorcycle I have passed by a beautiful new church building called "Believers Tabernacle".

It is on the outskirts of Murfreesboro, TN which is a bedroom community to Nashville.

For a long time I have meant to google it to see if it was a Pentecostal, Charismatic, or "Bible" church since no denominiation was on the sign.

I finally remembered to do so this morning and was quite surprised to find out that this nice new church seating 350+ is a Branhamite church.

I am pasting a link below to their website. One of the really interesting (and cultish) things I saw was when you click on the link to their music page. At the top as an explanation / justfication for the use of music in the church they have a long quote from a William Branhamite sermon where he is asking the pianist or organist to play, etc.

Under beliefs they also state that God has always had a prophet for each of the seven church ages and William Branham was God's prophet for the seventh church age.

Scary.

http://www.believerstabernacle.net/home.html

Elder Epley (and anybody else) are you familiar with this church and pastor?

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I don't know that much about Branhamites, although I've been hearing of them for a while now; but I'm curious to see how their beliefs differ from mainstream Apostolics.

They do seem to believe in baptism in Jesus name , and receiving the Holy Ghost.
Not sure if people receive the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues int their churches, or where they're at on the Godhead.

I'd definitely be interested in hearing more from those who have more knowledge about the Branhamites.

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There are a lot of them here in Brazil...very cultish and like you said scary. In the past I have debated several of them.

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They are serpent seed for one thing. They do not all believe the same thing on many issues but they all agree on serpent seed doctrine.

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I did not realize any of their churches had a congregation of that size. Mostly the ones I have had contact with have had fairly small groups. Our pastor has cousins that have went that direction.
They do have some fairly different ideas on things. On the surface they tend to look a lot like Apostolic/Pentecostal people. Don't remember all the stuff I had read about them back a few years ago but they do tend to be out there.

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They dont believe tongues as the only initial evidence. They believe one is saved at repentance. To their credit they do believe in the annihilation of the wicked.

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some pretty good information on them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branhamism

And Bro Reckart has an article on them here
http://jesus-messiah.com/branham/branham.html
I'm not a fan of Reckart by any means, but he does seem to have some useful info on Branham.




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I do not know this pastor it would seem odd God would send him to city where there is already a sizable Branhamite church? The pastor of the other church is aging so I guess they will evangelize that church.:happydance
Also at Smyrna there is already a split off that church. I woonder who is predestinated among the 3?

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Evangelize by listening to tapes...probably...that is what they do in Brazil...they have lots of splits over here.

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The pastor appears to be Indian or Pakastani or some such nationality. Most of the congregation appears to be white and black though.

I was wondering if maybe this church wasn't one of the area Branamhite churches just relocated to a new building.

Of course it could be a split. On their website they have photos from their building dedication Nov 07 that are interesting. Appear to show what I think are probably other Branhamite preachers.

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The man doing the dedication Ed Byskal pastors a large work in Cloverdale a suburb of Vancouver, Canada.
The history says they moved from Georgia 98%of the congregation? I figure they are evanglizing Andrews church he is getting up in age. He ran around 200 folks? Then there was also a work in Woodbury, so throw out the net and the 'elect' will come.:happydance

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Just abit of useless trivia about Branham. I've heard Keneth Hagin tell that he warned Branham of his impending death, but Branham refused to believe or take any action. Which as you may know, came to past just a Hagin said.

There's a sizable group of Branhamites in Shreveport, I believe their church is near Bro Jon Suber's church.

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They have a really nice building with a pretty good sized congregation-amazing.

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We have a Branham church close to ours in Mesa. It is called Mesa Church. THe women for the most part seem to look and act like ours. They will let you know that they are not part of us if you see one and ask if they are pentecostal. They are pretty nice otherwise. We have rented our church to them for some weddings. The one I attended it was a 16 year old girl marrying her 17 year old cousin, may have been second cousin. It was a weird feeling and almost scary thing to attend. Most of the people were nice and I had good conversation with one of the men who was an uncle to the girl. He gave me a sermon from Bro. Branham in written form. Not a bad serman I guess but it was really old and an out dated style. I am told that in their services they listen to Branham preach and they shout and go nuts over his sermons. Interesting though.

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Um...yeah.
So does the local catholic church near me.

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Interesting to say the least.

The only group I ever ran into was in RC, SD. They had a small building and a small group. They definitely looked Pentecostal!

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There is divisions in Branhamite churches,they have a two soul and a seven thunder group but I can't explain all of that.

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Churches that follow Bro. Branham believe TRUTH comes only through THE prophet. If Bro. Branham didn't say it, they reject it.

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I recieved their "Catch the Vision" newsletter this week. In it Joseph Branham ( son of William) says:

"I then began to get ready to come to work. I placed my MP3 player on my side to hear the prophet and the Message that I love so dear. While listening to that Voice and making my breakfast, my heart stirred within me as I heard the prophet speaking the Words of Life.

...I began to reflect on what an honor and privilege it was to start my day speaking to the Lord; hearing His prophet's voice and the Message that is perfecting and calling out a Bride..."

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These guys sound like William Branham's recorded and written words are as important to them as the recorded and written words of the late Bishop S.C. Johnson are to his followers.

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Cue the "Twilight Zone" music please!!!

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I have seen too much destruction both in the states and in Brazil from this group...Some of the people are so sweet but they are terribly deceived...

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And there are reports to abuse of women in their circles. Branham did not hold women in the highest regard. I knew a preacher that was a close friend of his...he stated that Branham regarded women as "garbage cans" for man's waste. He personally taught that women should be respected and treated good, but where I live, I have seen women in the Branham camp treated lower than children by their husbands. A case of the disciples over-interpreting their master's teaching.

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That's funny, I remember hearing the same "garbage can" statement years ago. There was a small Branhamite thing going around here back in the 60's. Some folks in the "mainstream" Apostolic churches in this area were either a part of that or had family that was. I never heard anything where women were treated particularly cruel - I just remember the "garbage can" remark being repeated and the sad shakes of the heard from those who heard the story.

It seems odd that if God had a single "prophet" for this "age" that "God" would kill that prophet in an automobile accident out in the Texas desert. And then, "God" didn't even kill him outright but allowed him to linger painfully in a morphine induced state for a couple of days before he finally died. It all sounds like a sad and tragic death, one that was all too common in the era before seat belts and crumple zones.

Of course, one his his "great prophecies" of the future involved automobiles. He said that they would be shaped "like an egg until the consummation."

Did he mean the "consummation of the age" or the "consummation of the egg?"

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The exact quote was "a walking sexual garbage can."

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If you think Branham was a false prophet, you aint seen nothing yet.

This guy, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, makes Branham look like The Apostle Paul by comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22htE...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54E5qjVGDZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZSsQ7b3CrY

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The scary thing about Branham he is often classified as one of us...

I had don´t know if I still do his book in Portuguese where it says women would created to be low vile and dirty...
That makes me cringe for I was not created to be any of those 3 terms...

From a supposed "Branhamite"
 

Greetings precious brothers & sisters in Christ. The church you are speaking of is one of the finest groups of believers in the world. Rev. Joseph Hamid, who's father was killed in missionary service, is one of the finest and most moral of men I have ever met.

I am 4th generation Apostlic, my grandmother being Sis. Lois Gatlin Terrell. However, I too heard Bro. Branhams message some years ago and I will say that everything I have read on this thread proves how utterly ill informed the Apostolics are about Bro. Branhams ministry.

I have noticed sincere posters here that are genuinely asking questions about what we believe and why. First, I will never be follow anyone to the gutter of argument.. However, I shall be more than happy to respectfully debate our beliefs. No Christian should ever be afraid of friendly dialog. Even Paul and Peter had doctrinal differences and yet loved one another.

Lesson # 1 - We despise the term "Branhamites" it is so disrespectful to us, as we DO NOT FOLLOW BRO. BRAHNAM, we follow the WORD & the REVELATION that Bro. Branham brought to us, we follow CHRIST, the WORD.

This would be like people calling the Apostolics "Beanites" because they endeared Bro. Verbal Bean as a Prophet.. to this day my grandmother says "Bro. Bean told us such and such" yet she's not a "beanite" she simple reveres the message be brought to the Apostolic church.

Again, I make myself available to answer any "resepctful" question or dialog you seek to engage in.

Blessings
Bro. Vaughn,

To. Sister Alvear
 

I have read all 100 of Bro. Branhams sermons, three times almost now.. and I would offer a friendly challenge that you provide a direct quote where our dear Bro. Branham made such a quote...

Here is a DIRECT QUOTE to set the record clear;

Preached in 1960, Jeffersonville, IN

You know, a woman is a type of church, if God could've given a man a better thing than a wife, He'd have give him that. But not all women are wives, not all women are--or not all females are mothers. Not all that have children are mothers. I've seen some I had better respects for a dog, take their kids and set them out on the street, and lay out on... People coming out in these little old clothes and things on, and immorally dressed...

Preached in 1960, Jeffersonville, In

There's nothing that God could've give a man any sweeter than a wife


Preached in 1964, Shreveport, La
I said, "By the way, what does a Christian girl want to show her underneath skirt for? I can't understand that."
36 You are born again, of God, you got the beauty of the Holy Ghost to show that what you are, you are. You've got virtue that these scandal skirts don't have. That's right. A real woman of God, that stands out with virtue, you might be laughed at, and called old fashion; but you got something that they can't touch, and done lost it and never can have it again. That's right. You got virtue. That's what God looks for, is virtue. See?

Preached in 1954

Sometimes I get away from home. I love my wife and I want to do something for her. And I--I'll buy her a box of candy, or--or something another (You know?), I just know that she wants me to do it. You know? I love to do it. And now, brethren, this may seem a little funny. I like to help her wash the dishes, 'cause I know it's just hard on her to do it all the time. And I just get out there and wash the dishes for her. She don't say very much, but I know she appreciates it. See?

(this is from a man who hated women by the way)

I believe people are very close minded and refuse or simply do not want to know the whole matter.... but I believe with some "balanced" input those of us who follow Bro. Branhams message will not seem soooo strange to you.. we consider you guys to be our brothers.

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Maybe you have not followed the tragedy that many of us know...the broken homes, life´s that were runined forever because of the rib message.
I was in Branham´s services when I was a young girl, heard him preach and teach.
What he taught is not in the Bible anywhere...
If we needed a prophet then we would need a live one not a dead one.
I have many friends that followed off into his teachings..such a shame of the many that lost their way.

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You know if you have been on the forum for any time at all my greatest fault according to some is having too much patience and seeing good in everybody. Seldom do I speak out against someone or something but this doctrine must be spoken against...

Re: From a supposed "Branhamite"
 

Your parent is who? I knew your grandmother and I am close friends to the Boyds.
I would love to discuss the Branham doctrine with you Biblically would you want to?
I was in that deception for nearly a decade in my youth. I would not want to disrepect you un honor of your grandmother. But I can be quite pointed on this subject.

Re: To. Sister Alvear
 

How can you read the Marriage and Divorce message and not think it was demeaning to women? A "walking sexual disposal" is that what you think of your grandmother-mother-wife? I know firsthand in many circles of the original Branham bunch they treated their wives like dogs. I won't but I can name names of leaders whose names appears in those messges.

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dear Bro. Epley, and I know of such men in the Apostolic & UPC circles,,, yet I know many men in this message, myself included who adore our wives! Bro. Branham adored Meda.. took her to the desert to sing songs to her with his guitar... he loved her and he adored Hope his first wife..... the record is replete of him honoring women even Aimee McPherson & Mariah Etter.....

Bro. Epley
 

Where are the Boyds now?

Also, please be in prayer for my Gradmother, she suffered a stroke last week,,, you might want to pass that on to the Boyds...

regards
Bro. Vaughn

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Again who was your parent? Yes Branham I guess was kind to his wife I have no evidence of the contrary. By the way Joseph marry a girl I grew up with and have been a friend of her family all my life. I know Billy Paul and knew the girls also.

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Wow, well it is very nice to make your acquaintance Bro. Epley... do you find these men to consider their wives trash?

My mother is Lois,, they called her Little Lois.. She married Johnny Vaughn

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Bro. Eply, out of curiosity how do you know my grandmother? I always love to hear those stories.

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Is your name Shane did you go to Pine or Foxworth?

I met your grandmother at Jubilee years ago at Laurel. My wife was an Abernathy her Dad years ago preached for your Grandfather by the way he is a Branhamite. I cannot remember not knowing your Grandmother , by the way I have never believed in women preachers but we were alwaqys cordial. I know your uncle that was at Baton Rogue.