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Did anyone hear the sermon from our friend out west that indicated his father's heart crisis situation was the result of a demonic attack?

Are you kidding me? His arteries were clogged 50-60% probably because of years of greasy southern cooking and late night trashy food from Chilli's after church!

A demonic attack...on a powerful preacher, full of the Holy Ghost?

Talk about hype!!

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Some folks don't want to take responsibility .... good thread on this on a political scale somewhere ...

but it happens in the Church too.

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this phenomena is called rationalization...end of story...

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Are you saying demons don't attack powerful preachers?

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No, but hamburgers do it more often... :toofunny

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I am not sure about all that abstract stuff but I think sometimes to hide personal responsibility they just simply blame stuff on the debbil.

Why not just say, Brother so and so just didn't eat right or take care of himself but now he certainly will!? Does that compromise his leadership and ironclad reputation somehow? Or does it make him human and on the same plane as the hairy unwashed?

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This otta' be fun!

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I was attacked by the demon of sleepiness, this morning. Made me late for work.

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Ironclad reputation? Snort.

He's a good eater and an avid exerciser so I'm sure his prob is just genetic bad luck.

His son is the poster child for the wacky Pentecostals who overspiritualize everything and discern prophecies from Bible Code messages in their Alphabet soup. He's seen the devil under every rock as long as I've known him. It'd be nice if he saw Jesus every now and then. They haven't realized yet that life is life and sometimes we all get dirtied by the stuff that hits the proverbial fan from time to time. I think the Bible says something about raining on the just and the unjust.

JMHO.

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Yep.

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Kind of like some blame the government for all their woes. :)

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I have fought demons for years on certain issues and I have beat them. None of them have made me sick. The only time I have seen where a demon has made someone sick is in a demon infillment. When they are cast out I have seen the person get very sick, but that is about it. Funny though how people draw a straight line from illness to sin and or illness to spiritual warfare and not the hamburgers and fries that RevBuddy was talking about.

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Well I don't think all cases are that cut and dried do you?

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Demons have, and do attack people physically & spiritually.
However, that being said, if one does not take care of oneself, one can then be playing into thier hand.

I thought that was what discernment was for.

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Bingo we have a winner!

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I think the discernment stock took a terrific hit after the Borat escapade, from what was an all time high of priceless, down to very questionable in its use and application.

At any rate, I have to wonder if to call a demonic attack a demonic attack one would have to ask did the demon actually fill the arteries with junk? I think that is giving the little bugger way too much credit.


POMO leapt to a conclusion. Did I say son or son in law? I don't remember, I was just making a point.

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That was my initial thought. I would have rather been told the truth instead of an attempt to get me all riled up to fight the debbil, as you say. I can rile my own self up with my own self's problems.

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http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...osclerosis.jpg

Normal artries

Fried food filled artires

Debbil stuffed arteries!

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If we were honest, I think we "all" have not had a 100% hit on discernment.

Even I have missed it.

I remember being over men's prayer some years ago and a drunk came into the Church & sat down.

After the service was over, I asked a fellow minister to come with me and pray with this individual.
He refused. Now this brother does not make it a habit of refusing but he is greatly used in the Gifts.

He spoke to me a few minutes later and said that this man has a demon & he is not ready for deliverance.

I missed it!

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Same demon hit my place the other day - power went out and the little 9v back up battery was dead. First time I've over slept since I can remember. I usually get up before the alarm.

Human health is a complex affair, so complex that in primitive times superstition prevailed and demons and devils were probably blamed for more harm than they could even have possibly done. Today we have better means of inspecting ourselves, and our corpses, so we see the pathology of disease and tend to eliminate the devil from taking the blame for a lot of stuff.

Still, human affairs are incredibly complex. Does the carbohydrate addict feed his addiction because of the sin of gluttony or because of an underlying genetic predisposition? Obviously choices in diet are available to most Americans - but how much difference do the alternatives really make? Our bodies are really adapted to a much different fare than what is presented on the tables of even the finest restaurants and homes.

For myself, I almost died from my diet. Not really from too much - though there were times! But my problem was that so much of the American diet includes a refined and concentrated poison that wrecked my immune system. That "poison" was simply wheat flour.

Since the Stone Age humans have been selecting grains that give their beers a better head of foam and that make for daintier cakes and loaves. And now in recent years we have begun to mill those grains down to their essential "goodness" and throw out the husks. This whole process is responsible for concentrating the gluten proteins which cause allergic and intolerance reactions that plague millions.

Could I say that "the devil" made me sick? I, myself obviously share at least some of the blame - but who knew? It took my doctors 40 years to figure it out. Even though the whole thing came down to a complicated set of circumstances involving Western lifestyles interwoven with Neolithic era agricultural practices - and some Krispy Kremes thrown into the mix at some point - "the devil" seems to have also been in the details all along.

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When I get home, maybe I'll post pics of my own arteries. My cardiologist says I have "beautiful arteries!" :happydance

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Do we know you well enough? :toofunny

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So, what are you saying here? The Debbil is in cahoots with french fries, fried chicken, fried pork chops, and such like? The fried stuff provides the buildup and the debbil provides the blood clot?

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Sure, makes about as much sense, huh?

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hehehe Curtis is the pork chop king!!!!!!!!:toofunny

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Ya heard me! :bliss:toofunny

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"..sitting back.....eating french fries......forget the diet coke...gimme sweet tea....and how about a piece of pecan pie....."

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I personally don't think a whole lot of discernment is needed when someone shoots off that clogged arteries is the result of a demonic attack.

I remember years ago, I was sitting on the platform next to the Pastor's wife and a young man was up testifying about how wonderful youth retreat was. The young man went on that, "...and the debbil* did his best to make sure we wouldn't get to youth retreat...he caused the bus to break down but we finally got there...!!!" The Pastor's wife turned to me and said, "It wasn't the debbil* we just need to get that stupid bus fixed." I just about fell out of my chair laughing.



*debbil/debol/debil etc...-I use the misspelling and mis characterization of the term of the enemy, he/it doesn't deserve even one ounce of my effort to try and get it right. Plus, I like making fun of him/it and not giving him any satisfaction of my acknowledgement. So there.

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Nothing is really cut and dried in life. But the fact is that everything IS judged that way. Standards with most people are right and everyone has to follow them or they are not right and we don't. Not alot of grey areas. I personally try and judge a person due to the grey areas. But it is unfortunate that we are judged by our actions and not our intentions. But that is the way it is.

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DE...

This is worthy of some extensive discussion...the Borat escapade...I mean...and I'm sure I missed out on other discussions before...

...the events surrounding Borat's "visit" to our campmeeting, leave many of us at a loss as to why such an episode could take place in the midst of God's anointed people and leadership...could not one person discern the true spirit, motives and intentions of this anti-spiritual character...who was fully committed to bringing reproach and humiliation to a godly group of believers...

...to have the very leaders that we rely on to look out for our spiritual welfare and health...be totally and completely fooled by the pseudo-spiritual behavior of one man...is beyond me...

...spiritual gifts are in operation in the church today...and if that is so, why have some leaders, caught up in their own importance, ignored the advice and counsel of the Lord through discernment...

...the desire to "impress" or "to be impressive" in our ministry MUST NEVER overwhelm the leading of the Holy Ghost...to "perform" for the crowd is a temptation that will bring about the most damaging and faith-harming results...and damages that may not have a cure...

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I'm not getting involved with this except to say,

#1, A_PoMo is correct, I doubt fried food had much to do with it, his wife has always made sure that her family eats very healthy. I can remember being at Sr. Camp with one of the daughters and she was worried about her mom getting upset with her because of how she had been eating at camp. She told me a lot about how her family ate, and fried food didn't feature largely.

#2, I agree that way more gets attributed to the devil than he deserves. A lot of his "work" is actually just our mistakes and bad planning and just plain bad luck.

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Very true. People like to blame the devil for every thing that ails them. Get a flat tire on the way to work and it was the devil trying to get you to lose your job. The list goes on and on.

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I so agree with you Carp! I believe too much attention is given to him!

Like those little old sweeties that stand up and testify "praise the Lord, the debbil's been chasing me all day"

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I think Dizzy's recent bout with 'weirdness' is a demonic attack. She tried to say it had something to do with the full moon, others attributed it to spiked coffee and OTC drug cocktails. But I think it was the debbil.

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Ok, ya'll are going to think I'm lying about this but I'm telling the God honest truth. I was at the altar praying once and heard with my own two ears the wife of said 'powerful preacher' pray against 'the spirit of chocolate' in a fat lady. She did the same thing on radio once. Is there a Snickers demon?

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This is an interesting thread insomuch as I have seen it taken to the next level where people describe illness and bad luck on a loved one as an attack on them.
Case in point, the couple from Central Wisconsin who refused to take their daughter to the doctor (who was diabetic). A simple shot would have saved her but she ended up in a coma and dead.
NOW they are claiming that her death was an attack by the devil on THEIR ministries (which are about to begin). The amount of misplaced PRIDE required to make such a statement is mind boggling!

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Yes. It has taken aholt of me... :thebunny

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I see it's time to break out the oil! Quick! Somebody hold her down while I get the bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil!!! :D

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Sad, but true. After awhile of this kind of foolishness I finally left and gave them back the pitcher of :koolaid.

I remember once walking into the church office and 'catching' said preacher eating a chocolate covered doughnut from the pink box that someone had brought for us all to share. He got this deer in the headlights look on his face and I laughed and said "Dude! I'm tellin' your wife!". He dropped the half-eaten doughnut in the box and walked out. I think he thought I was serious. haha.