Giftings, Prayer Language and Father God
 

Are there any other terms I need to be acquainted with?

Giftings - Is that when you are used in the Gifts?

Prayer Language - Is that when you speak in Tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance?

Father God - Is that Jesus' name now?


It's getting too complicated for me. I'm going to go sit on a rock by the ocean and feed the seagulls. If a hurricane heads my way, the season started today, just leave me there. I'll probably never notice. :toofunny

Should I have gone to bed before I posted this thread? Hehehehehehehehe

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Yeah, probably so.

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TOO LATE NOW!!!!

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Becoming quite the linguist now are we?:toofunny

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I'm getting into the groove, man!

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I'm not familar with these terms myself. Ilive on a rock by the ocean with plenty of seagulls and eagles and ravens and we don't have hurricanes. you can come sit here anytime. It's quite peaceful.:happydance

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When you get outside of the realm of UPC, you will hear these things pretty often. They don't bother me, because it's just different people's ways of expressing themselves who didn't grow up with us!!

You pretty much have the right idea about them though.:nod

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I was going to say that too!

I think culturally, it seems odd to those in UPC, but I've heard them used for a long time now.

PO - what bothers you about those terms?

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I must admit that Father God confuses me. I think mostly because as stated, I didn't grow up hearing anything about the term "Father God". It's almost like foreign language to me.

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to this list I would like to add:

God's beloved son, the only begotten of the father.

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I believe it's the resistance of sounding too trinitarian, but isn't God the Father?

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God was the Father the last time I read the bible. :D

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Today, I am not in a good mood, so I'll refrain from posting!!! :toofunny

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I think I already know the answer anyway. I see tanning booths and shorts!

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Good morning, Mister Smarty Pants!!!

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Girl, don't even go there with me today. I'll tear your hair out. My husband has been ill and is acting like a baby - I am not in a good mood!! I already warned you - so look out!!!! :smack :thwak

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Beside, you better be nice. I have another pair of shoes you might be interested in receiving, but they are NOW on hold!!! :killinme

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Another PO thread turned into one about shoes!:D

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My problem with "Father God" is because His name is "Jesus". It is as though the person praying is not really clear on who they are talking to.

I had a homeschool mother pray for me, over the phone, one morning because I wasn't feeling well. She said, "Father God..........."

I was sitting there listening and thinking - "Do you know who God is or not?"

I'm sorry, that annoys me, since I'm annoyed today anyway!!! :toofunny


"Prayer Language" annoys me as it is not in the Bible. If I'm talking in tongues it's just that - I'm speaking in tongues as God gives the utterance. I don't have a "prayer language" - I just speak in tongues. That also annoys me, since I'm already annoyed today. :toofunny

It sounds as though, using that terminology, we are manipulating a move of God for our benefit. I am turned off by that, as I am by any manipulating of God's Spirit - teaching people to speak in tongues, coercing people to dance or whatever as a measure of their walk with God.

"Giftings" annoys me because it is just simply His Gifts that He bestows on me and I operate in them at His direction. I am possessed by what He has done and I don't claim to own any of them as mine alone. The terminology annoys me.

I prayed for a woman at the altar who was just at her wits end. The Lord allowed me to know that she was as fragile as a tea cup. She related the same idea to me after the service. Anyway, I laid hands on her and the Spirit of God came over her so powerful. She was blessed and strengthened.

While that was going on the Lord spoke to me, "Rejoice not that the spirits are subject unto you, but that your name is written in the lamb's book of life."

Big lesson. I have pet peeves just like everyone else and I get annoyed just like everyone else. :D

Okay, I better get out of here, being that I'm already very annoyed. :toofunny

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:toofunny

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PO - shouting isn't in the Bible either, so does that bother you?

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Hilluwl - in the sense of rejoicing, a celebration of thanksgiving for harvest.

That denotes some movement.

Halal - to be clear, to shine, to boast, to rave, to be clamorously foolish.

That also denotes some movement.

I think however someone chooses to express themselves is within the perimeters of these definitions and therefore, Biblical.

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You were talking about words not being in the Bible. If prayer language means speaking in tongues, then it's in the Bible.

You are in a bad mood though, so you should go sit on that rock.

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Prayer language isn't even found in a definition. I think it's ridiculous terminology. Sorry! :D

Right, I better get back on my rock. I might get banned or offend someone. :toofunny

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I don't use that term myself either.

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I never will use that terminology as it seems, IMO, to point to what I do and not what God does in me and I never say, "Father God". If I pray I'm going to say - "IN JESUS NAME!"

When I speak His name I am saying that from creation to the angels above the Mercy Seat to the angels in the tomb who moved from their place as they didn't need to stand there anymore - the veil was rent, the middle wall of partition is gone - I am saying I believe and acknowledge your work, who you are, what you have done - Jesus!!!

There is no other name given among men whereby we MUST be saved!

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What about opening prayer and addressing him as "Heavenly Father?":hmmm



BTW my present Pastor uses the term "Father God!":bliss

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since you are being painfully clear that you are annoyed, any highly engaging discussion would seem best to be deferred.

I find considerable agreement that the phraseology 'father God' does leave a wide open door for son God and Holy Ghost God.

Father is an excellent and appropriate attribute to acknowledge God.
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God is an excellent and appropriate position to use when acknoweldging your creator.

Bringing the two into the same phrase does bring with it the overtones of a trinitarian philosophical view of God's person.

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Well, I feel a little better and I'm thankful you clarified what you meant. I totally agree!!! You always word things in a very excellent way! :thumbsup

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You have a good point. "Heavenly Father" vs. "Father God".

I think tbpew's post pretty well is a good explanation of how I feel on that.

Being raised Catholic I think I just get to the source now - Jesus. I didn't know that when I was lighting candles. I did like dropping the quarters in the slot when I was a young girl. Just liked hearing them "clink". Oh, such devotion!!! lol

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Sorry if I offended anyone on this subject, although I think it is interesting.

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Stay away from Las Vegas then!:hypercoffee

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Didn't offend me, it is interesting the terms that come into reference in our discussion about God.

I bet there are more.

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Not too worry. I've never been a gambler, with money, that is. :toofunny

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It seems as time progresses we pick up new terms.

Since I am on the annoyed train! lol

Prophet - I hear so many calling anyone that steps behind the pulpit a "prophet". I beg to differ with that.

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The thing that interests me most is that His name, what people called Him, when He walked on this earth, the name written in those Scriptures discussing His name, wasn't "Jesus". I have no problems using it, I'm sure He has a pretty good idea who we're talking about too, (:tease)but to be so stuck on an English transliteration of a Greek transliteration of the name He used just kind of baffles me. He is so much more than a word, more than a name, more than His attributes and character. He transcends our best attempts to describe Him and to ascribe a name or identity to Him. He simply is. "I AM" I don't rightly think He cares too much what we call Him, He just longs to hear us call out to Him.

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I don't agree with your post, respectfully. He was very specific and He is a God of order - meticulous order. He does care what we call Him, IMO.

When we call on His name we are telling Him that we understand all the work He has done since the Garden of Eden. That is how powerful His name is to me.

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Well......this opens up the whole other can of worms. Was Jesus there?

PO - you don't ever pray "Dear God"?

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Dear God? No. I'm getting ready to write a letter to my nephew in Afghanistan. I will begin that letter with - Dear Michael. So, no I don't say "Dear God".

Don't they have children's books about that?

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Renda, I'm being extremely annoying today, aren't I? :killinme

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Well, I have heard all my life in UPC churches people pray to Lord, God and Jesus - - I never thought there was three - - knew they were all one!