What really happened at Pentecost?
 

Option #1 - An ole time, Holy Ghost campmeeting with shouting & Speaking in Tongues,, Praising God and having a good ole time

Option #2 - The most effective missionary outreach in the history of the church

I choose #2 and here is why...

Not one time are we told anyone was Praise God on this day.. there is nothing about Magnifying God or any sign whatsoever that this was a church service...

Here's what I see..... of course you will tell me where I'm wrong.. good


Here is where the story begins:

Luke 24:47 - And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

This is Jesus speaking to his followers about their upcoming mission... they are to preach the gospel to ALL NATIONS.. which will happen or begin at Jerusalem

In the course of conversation with Jesus, they must have felt the burden of this heavy responsibility, after all they did not speak the languages of the nations.... Jesus knowing their fear says this to them


And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.



They were told to go and wait in Jerusalem until they recieved ABILITY (the original for power in this scripture) they would receive a supernatural ability to reach the nations at Jerusalem and this ability would come to them from on high... delivered unto them by the Holy Ghost

So, what happens next? they went and they waited.. this was a time of waiting.. I can only imagine their wondering how they would be able to speak to all the nations about the gospel......

BUt God was up to something.. there was only ONE TIME a year when all the nations gathered at Jerusalem... for the Feast of Pentecost... and GOD KNEW that this would be the time to affect the most people with the gospel...

So they wait and wait... until they heard a sound and languages rested upon them (tongues in the original is languages) so languages of fire rested upon them.....

and immediatly we see that they began to speak in foreign languages that they had never learned... they were ecstatic I am sure to see the ABILITY come upon them to obey the words of Jesus, supernaturally...

Please note they were not speaking in tongues as Pentecostals do because Paul said "if one speaks in tongues he speaks unto God and not unto man and NO MAN could understand him:" but these men gathered around and UNDERSTOOD THEM...

So what did these foreigners hear these disciples saying? They were preaching of the wonderful works of God,, which was the death burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ,.,,, they were testifying of these works supernaturally in other languages.. there was no one shouting and screaminga and rolling in the floors......

finally when they couldn't figure out how these diciples had gained this ability to break the language barrier. they attribute this to some kind of new wine and then Peter.... stood to deliver the theology of the situation as he told them of Joels prophecy and once they understood they came to know Christ....

Is this not the correct understanding of Acts 2?

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Typical response.... a scriptural response would have been appreciated

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(Doc...this is the only thing I'm going to post on this thread... here goes):

Acts 2:11 ...Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Most people would call that "praise", and "magnifying God".
Peace.
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By the way, Doc... do you have a hobby? :happydance

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Over 500 believers saw Jesus after His resurrection. (1 Cor 15:6)

About 120 of these (approximately one fourth of the infant church) were in Jerusalem "continually in the temple praising and blessing God" (Luke 24:52-53)

They (we assume the 120 but some think it refers to the 12 apostles only) were all in one accord and in one place when the wind and fire came and they began to speak with other tongues. About 15 languages are mentioned that were understood by different people.

Peter stood up and preached a message in a commonly understood language.

When the Holy Spirit convicted people, they asked what they should do. Peter told them to repent or turn from the sin of rejecting Jesus as Messiah, to wash in the mikveh baths in the temple because their sins were forgiven, and told them that they too could receive the promise of the Father which they had seen and heard.

We are told that about 3000 Jews received the Word (Jesus) and were immersed. We don't read about how many, if any, received the Holy Ghost baptism.

Some folks (called Dispensationalists) believe that the 120 were not really saved until that day and that this was the beginning of the New Testament Church.

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Wait a minute.... for you and I to SPEAK about Jesus who is the Wonderful work of God.... is not PRAISING.. we are speaking we are testifying

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He's stuck in the hospital with a sick wife. We are praying she is healed soon. But actually DV didn't start the debate about Mr. Barnham or whatever his name is. There was a thread started before he got here. Which makes me think, this seems to happen a lot on AFF speak of someone and either they or their minions, followers, or whatever you want to call them seem to just show up.........and the rest is this outcome.
Since people won't ignore him, he will not go away.
It's giving me a headache.

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Bro. Sam if they obeyed Peter that had to receive the Holy Ghost because he told them if they repented and were baptized that the WOULD without a doubt receive the Holy Ghost.... so how do we say "we don't know" if they did.. they must have it was promised to them upon their obedience

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Maam if you desire me to go away.. I can.. i thought this was an open discussion forum,, I didnt know you had to think like everyone else to be welcome here

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Look at where not praising God got Lucifer.

He went from praising to wanting to be praised.

Now he has a one-way ticket to hell.

So if to praise is the oposite of hell.

Then I am all for praising God at anytime.

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Anybody see a difference here? works v work hmmmmm

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I think he's probably a psyhologist and likes playing with people's minds and not use punctuation or grammar well. Still gives me a headache. So I am gonna ignore him to see if he will go away.

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hey brother,,, please decode for me,, thanks

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If they received the Word/Jesus, they were born of the Spirit and placed/baptized into the Body of Christ but that does not mean that they were baptized/saturated in the Spirit.

In Mark 16 it says that one of the signs that would follow believers is "they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." How many people have had hands laid on them and didn't recover. Healing is a promise and so is the Holy Ghost baptism but neither are always instantly received.

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Now brother, that was about deep

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Bro. it also says "they shall be witnesses" How many tongue talkers do you know that couldn't witness if they had to.. be honest... so see the point is useless

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Where ye leads I will follow (after today), where ye leads I will follow.
Where ye leads I will follow (after today), where ye leads I will follow.
I'll not answer..........again!



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So Bro. Sam is it now your believe that people are in the Body of Christ without the baptism of the Holy Ghost? they are all saved, why need the baptism?

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Something scriptural to show me where my understanding is wrong would be appreciated.. instead of all the low blows and personal insults

I have not been personal with any of you... the issues are worthy of debate

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Not too much to decode Lyle Story would be so ashamed. you used the word "work" and said it refered to Christ, but the Scriture uses the word "works" plural, not one work but many.

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:happydance :happydance :happydance

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

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it was a typo.. I'l pass the word to J. Lyle

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In my opinion, the 500 believers who saw Jesus after His resurrection were saved. But only about 120 were waiting in Jerusalem for an experience called:
--being "clothed" or "endued" with power (Luke 24:49)
--receiving power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8)
--the Holy Spirit coming upon them (Acts 1:8)
--the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)
--a baptism or immersion in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5)
--a filling of the Spirit (Acts 2:4)

What I am saying, and it is a minority opinion on this board, is that there is a difference between being born of the Spirit and being baptized in the Spirit i.e. that there is a difference between having the Holy Spirit dwelling within (salvation/regeneration) and the Holy Spirit coming upon (Holy Ghost baptism or empowerment).

We may or may not agree on this. There are differences of opinion among us here on the board on this, but this minority viewpoint is allowed on this board and is considered Apostolic.

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In Gen 1:1 God reveals himself.

In Reveleations 21:20-21

It talks about Jesus coming quickly.

Then the bible closes out by saying, "The grace of Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

As if man had screwed things up so badly, "The grace of of the Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

You know why God did not create man first here on earth?

We would have taken credit for the rest of creation.

But as it stands many want to eliminate God from creation because of man's highminded stance, thinking we are at the top of the chain.

Makes me wonder when nature decides to take out a 100,000 in one wave.

God reminds us we are not at the top.

We can argue all the pages between Gen and Rev but God reminds us, ?My grace be with you!" A-men.

Makes me think God is saying, Go ahead man - Make my day!

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What did that have to do with Pentecost?

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What was the reason for their Drunken behavior??


Seeing that Peter pointed that out?

These men are NOT drunk as ye supposed?...

Seems to me there was something going on...

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Bro. Sam,, it's good to know I am not the only one who holds the minority view... I believe as well that many will be saved without the baptism of the Holy Ghost...However, I believe they will have to endure tribulation to be tried by fire whether their works be of God or not....

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some believe that Pentecost was the second coming of Jesus

that He returned in clouds of witnesses as the Comforter or Holy Spirit.

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We've got a variety of views here on the forum.
The term "Apostolic" is pretty broad here (at least to some)

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RevRandy,,, we have discussed it over and over

Lets try again.... the DRUNKEN had NOTHING to do with how they were acting.. reading scripture SLOWLY we see that the DRUNKEN was brought up as a possible reason they had broken the language barrier... scripture says

How do all of these men speak these languages..... not whats got them people acting crazy and shouting and running.... no,, it was because of the languages being spoken.. the the word NEW WINE was ever brought up.. and then Peter hearing them call this supernatual languages possibly NEW WINE.. he corrected them publically and said

These are NOT DRUNK ---- not because of how they were acting but because of the languages they were speaking

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Unfortunately some views are not as welcome as others

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So what's the point?

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I entertained that belief for a time until I read letters that were written after Pentecost that talked about Him coming back in a future sense.

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The point is.. if you take away the Myth of the Day of Pentecost and its loud, demonstrative shouting and speaking in tongues and acting drunk... you take away the very identity of the pentecostal movement and their scriptural evidence for how they act

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Rico.. I've not heard that doctrine,,, does it have a name,, would like to research it.. thanks

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The "minority view" here is that a person is justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and then that is (or at least should be) followed up by water baptism and Spirit baptism. This was how it was taught by the early Apostolic/Pentecostal pioneers and was later held as a minority opinion when the UPC was formed in 1945.

Here we use terms like "PCI" or "one-stepper" and "PAJC" or "three-stepper" to designate the differences between those who believe in salvation at repentance and those who believe salvation does not happen until after repentance, water baptism, and Spirit baptism. If you're around for a while you'll see arguments back and forth on that. After we get done arguing and getting mad and insulting each other and calling names we just continue on as "one-steppers" and "three-steppers" until the subject comes up again.

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What's wrong with Worship and Praise?

Folks were doing this long before the Day of Pentecost.....

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NOW DATS FUNNY