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Esther 05-30-2008 04:33 PM

In The Counsel of Many
 
Below are the 27 questions I ask and had answered by some powerful and wise men and woman of God.

Would you like to try and answer any or ALL of these?

1. Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed at the same time?
2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?
3. When you are at the altar with many around and there is a demon possessed person how do you handle the situation?
4. Can a Holy Ghost filled person have a generation curse on them?
5. Can objects be possessed?
6. Can you rebuke a spirit in your mind or only by speaking aloud?
7. Can you fight spirits in your dreams?
8. How can you tell if a dream is from God?
9. What is the cause for some Christians to have encounters with spirits attacking them while others don’t?
10. What authority do you have and how should you pray in regards to working with angels of the Lord?
11. Can you pass a spiritual gift to another?
12. Can one person have all nine gifts and how can you determine what if any gifts you have, and how can you learn to use them properly?
13. What is the meaning and significance of passing your mantle to another, when this happens does the one passing the mantle lose it or share it?
14. What is the anointing of God?
15. How and when do you move up into another dimension of God?
16. Should you fast while you are in a spiritual battle?
17. How and when do you do spiritual battle?
18. Can you fight the prince of your city whenever you want or only if God directs you to?
19. Is there a danger for a Holy Ghost filled person to go pray with a non Holy Ghost person at their church for revival?
20. How can you KNOW the voice of God?
21. How powerful is MANS word?
22. What is the fire of God?
23. What hinders prayers from being answered?
24. Why is there so much sickness among us and why aren’t we seeing the complete healing of the people of God?
25. What brings revival?
26. Is there a price for being in the ministry and if so would you say the greater the price the greater the ministry?
27. Can you explain why some prophecies given do not come to pass as prophesied?

AmazingGrace 05-30-2008 04:38 PM

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I read the book... I dont count LOL

Esther 05-30-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 477701)
I read the book... I dont count LOL

Well if you give YOUR answers and not theirs it would. :)

Ron 05-30-2008 05:04 PM

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Tooooooo many questions.

Can we break them down?

Esther 05-30-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 477721)
Tooooooo many questions.

Can we break them down?

Of course.

Esther 06-01-2008 01:28 PM

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I am excited! I just spoke with a minister that I had asked to respond to these questions originally that has agreed to try and answer them!!!:happydance

Esther 07-09-2008 01:22 PM

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bump

Ron 07-09-2008 01:26 PM

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1. Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed at the same time?

No.

We had a sister who would have a demon manifest itself.
Found out she left the door open through bitterness & unforgivness.
When she repented & the demon was cast out, God would refill her.
Have unforgiveness & God would leave & she would become possessed!

God is in control or a demon is, not both.

Ron 07-09-2008 01:29 PM

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2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

One word.

Discernment, Discernment, Discernment.

We sometimes miss it, but that is the only time we can get it right.

Esther 07-09-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 523061)
2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

One word.

Discernment, Discernment, Discernment.

We sometimes miss it, but that is the only time we can get it right.

* Note: You can cast a demon spirit out, but you can NOT cast a human spirit out.

Ron 07-09-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 523078)
* Note: You can cast a demon spirit out, but you can NOT cast a human spirit out.

Though in some instances, we may be tempted to!:D

Esther 07-09-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 523087)
Though in some instances, we may be tempted to!:D

hehe so true AND Bro. Barnes said that if they keep doing that they will open themselves up to become demon possessed!

Dedicated Mind 07-09-2008 01:50 PM

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Esther, what are the "book" answers?

Ron 07-09-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 523117)
Esther, what are the "book" answers?

It cost $15 for the answers!:D


Well worth it if you ask me!

The Mrs 07-09-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 523117)
Esther, what are the "book" answers?

:noidea Ahem...buy the book to find out! :winkgrin

The book contains answers by Tom Barnes, Nona Freeman, James Kilgore, Rose Phaeton, and William Sciscoe.

ReformedDave 07-09-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 523140)
:noidea Ahem...buy the book to find out! :winkgrin

The book contains answers by Tom Barnes, Nona Freeman, James Kilgore, Rose Phaeton, and William Sciscoe.

Too bad they didn't ask D K Bernard, Dan Segraves, Ensey, or Treece to participate.

The Mrs 07-09-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 523147)
Too bad they didn't ask D K Bernard, Dan Segraves, Ensey, or Treece to participate.

Actually, a second printing is in the works, and there are more contributors. :winkgrin

Ron 07-09-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 523151)
Actually, a second printing is in the works, and there are more contributors. :winkgrin

Have they hired a proofreader yet?:D

Bro-Larry 07-09-2008 03:47 PM

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1. Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed at the same time? I don't think so, but, I don’t know for sure.
2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit? Pray in the Spirit.
3. When you are at the altar with many around and there is a demon possessed person how do you handle the situation? Not a good place to handle it, too many unknowledgeable people to get in the way.
4. Can a Holy Ghost filled person have a generation curse on them? Only if they believe it.
5. Can objects be possessed? No, but they can be used by demon spirits.
6. Can you rebuke a spirit in your mind or only by speaking aloud? You must give voice to your command. Angels are not authorized to rebuke devils, but men are. You have power over devils, but not over other people.
7. Can you fight spirits in your dreams? Evil spirits can enter your dreams.
8. How can you tell if a dream is from God? Dreams from God will always be so vivid you will remember them. Most often they will be in color.
9. What is the cause for some Christians to have encounters with spirits attacking them while others don’t? People can become so focused on fighting demons that the demons are able to deceive them more readily. It makes demons able to become more realistic in that person’s mind. No demon can materialize and physically attack a human. Signs of physical signs of attack on a person, are not made by direct contact with a demon spirit. You cannot see a spirit with your physical eyes.
10. What authority do you have and how should you pray in regards to working with angels of the Lord? All angels are servants of the redeemed. They hearken to the voice of God’s word, so use scripture to command your angel to serve you.
11. Can you pass a spiritual gift to another? Yes, Paul imparted spiritual gifts to Timothy, through the laying on of his hands.
12. Can one person have all nine gifts and how can you determine what if any gifts you have, and how can you learn to use them properly? Nobody can operate in the gifts of the Spirit, unless they are first filled with the Holy Spirit. You don’t possess a gift. You operate in a gift, as the Spirit wills. You cannot push a button or flip a switch and operate a gift of the Spirit. They only operate as the Spirit wills.
13. What is the meaning and significance of passing your mantle to another, when this happens does the one passing the mantle lose it or share it? Elijah was the only one I remember who ever “passed a mantle”. ‘Nuff said?
14. What is the anointing of God? The Holy Ghost. It does not come and go. It does not wane. To pray for the anointing before preaching a sermon is scriptural ignorance. The anointing abideth in you. I (Jn 2:27)
15. How and when do you move up into another dimension of God? There is no dimension higher than the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.You can, however; train your spirit to hear the Holy Ghost more clearly.
16. Should you fast while you are in a spiritual battle? Fasting will help you to get rid of hardness of heart, and unbelief; thereby helping you to believe, but fasting does not move God one ounce.
17. How and when do you do spiritual battle? Resist the devil with the word of God and the name of Jesus. You don’t have to battle evil spirits, they have already been defeated by Jesus. The less you acknowledge them, the less they can affect you. Only people who give credence to them, are bothered by them. If you attach no value to a demon, it cannot touch you. It is extremely important not to do anything the devil says. Jesus did nothing the devil tried to get Him to do. Eve did. “To whom you yield your members servants to obey, his servants ye are.”
18. Can you fight the prince of your city whenever you want or only if God directs you to? I don’t think this is a scriptural exercise. You don't have to fight the devil, if you do you are going to lose. Jesus already defeated him. Your job is to remind him of that defeat. When a devil is above the earth’s atmosphere, he is out of your domain. When he comes down here on earth, the only power he has, is what he can trick somebody into letting him use. A controlling devil has to operate thru somebody, so my approach would be to try to reach that person/s with the gospel, and thereby negate his control over a city.
19. Is there a danger for a Holy Ghost filled person to go pray with a non Holy Ghost person at their church for revival? It is unscriptural to pray or fast for “revival”. That is a man made idea. If Christians would just tell people the good news (gospel), then “revival would automatically appear.
20. How can you KNOW the voice of God? Compare what is said to the word of God. God will never say anything extrascriptural. If it’s not written, then it’s not God. Ignore it. If someone gives you a word of prophecy, and you don’t already know it in your own heart, ignore it, without any fear. It is not of God. The primary way God leads His children today is to speak to their spirit. Not the pastor, not a prophet, not some well meaning friend.” They that are led of the Spirit of God, they are the son’s of God.” Greek is like Spanish in that things are said sounding backwards to us in English. “Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.”(BLNEP)
21. How powerful is MANS word? If a man speaks God’s word in faith, it has the same power as if God Himself were speaking it. However; man’s doubt will make the word of God of non-effect for that man.
22. What is the fire of God? I don’t know how to describe the fire of God, but God’s fire always manifests in and affects the spirit of a man, whereas, the devil’s fire always manifests and affects the flesh of a man.
23. What hinders prayers from being answered? Doubt (unbelief) is number one. Strife. Unforgivness. Prayers that are not consistent with the written word of God.
24. Why is there so much sickness among us and why aren’t we seeing the complete healing of the people of God? Doubt which is the same as unbelief. Everybody has enough faith, but they can believe and doubt in their heart at the same time and the net effect will be zero.
25. What brings revival? Preaching the gospel to the lost.
26. Is there a price for being in the ministry and if so would you say the greater the price the greater the ministry? That’s just man’s works mentality. Jesus paid everything. If man does the work, it will be wood ,hay, stubble, also that man will try to take the credit.
27. Can you explain why some prophecies given do not come to pass as prophesied? False prophets. Sincere but ignorant people speaking out of their own hearts. Not from God.

Esther 07-09-2008 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 523147)
Too bad they didn't ask D K Bernard, Dan Segraves, Ensey, or Treece to participate.

There were more asked than have particpated, although I have two more working on it now for the next printing.

Do you think they would want to answer THESE questions? Segraves might would, the others I don't know. ???

Esther 07-09-2008 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 523136)
It cost $15 for the answers!:D


Well worth it if you ask me!

Plus ALL the profit goes to missions. :)

Esther 07-09-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 523158)
Have they hired a proofreader yet?:D

:club Ahem, leave my proofreader alone! :snapout

CC1 07-09-2008 06:51 PM

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Esther,

Excellent questions!

Blubayou 07-09-2008 06:52 PM

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Esther- be sure to let us know when the new addition come out.

Esther 07-09-2008 06:53 PM

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Bro. Larry, I have to disagree with this statement.

9. What is the cause for some Christians to have encounters with spirits attacking them while others don’t?

People can become so focused on fighting demons that the demons are able to deceive them more readily. It makes demons able to become more realistic in that person’s mind. No demon can materialize and physically attack a human. Signs of physical signs of attack on a person, are not made by direct contact with a demon spirit. You cannot see a spirit with your physical eyes.

I know of a lady minister that was physically drug out of bed by demons!

I have heard people say they have seen demons with their physical eyes.

How would they know when they see a demon if it is their natural eyes or spiritual eyes?

BTW...thanks for your response. I haven't finished reading all of them yet. :)

bishoph 07-09-2008 06:55 PM

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2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

This one is a fairly simple one. (I have not read the book so I don't know what their answer was.)

There are only 3 spirits at work in this world, the spirit of God, demonic spirits, and human spirits. God always has dominion over demonic spirits. The human spirit on the other hand is not subject to the spirit of God unless surrendered/submitted. So...... if a person is "demonstrating" demonic actions i.e. rolling on the floor, flopping around, frothing at the mouth, etc. all you have to do is speak to the spirit to cease/stop whatever it is doing/saying and if it is a demonic spirit it MUST obey. It has no choice, for a demonic spirit is subject to God and as his child I therefore have the same dominion over them. (Show me even one example of a demon refusing the command of Jesus or one of the Apostles.)

If the activity does not cease, you are dealing with a human spirit, not a demon.

Esther 07-09-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 523506)
Esther,

Excellent questions!

Thanks.

These are questions I have been asked many times and have heard others ask. I even asked a number of people what are the questions they most would like an answer to, and included them in this list.

BUT not everyone wants to answer them. The other problem I see, is folks tend to want to answer according to the "politically" correct. That is why I have selected the ones I have to answer. I want "their" answers. Although, on some of the questions I'm not sure they all answered how they really feel on some of the questions. :)

Esther 07-09-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubayou (Post 523507)
Esther- be sure to let us know when the new addition come out.

I sure will. Thanks for asking. :)

Esther 07-09-2008 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bishoph (Post 523509)
2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

This one is a fairly simple one. (I have not read the book so I don't know what their answer was.)

There are only 3 spirits at work in this world, the spirit of God, demonic spirits, and human spirits. God always has dominion over demonic spirits. The human spirit on the other hand is not subject to the spirit of God unless surrendered/submitted. So...... if a person is "demonstrating" demonic actions i.e. rolling on the floor, flopping around, frothing at the mouth, etc. all you have to do is speak to the spirit to cease/stop whatever it is doing/saying and if it is a demonic spirit it MUST obey. It has no choice, for a demonic spirit is subject to God and as his child I therefore have the same dominion over them. (Show me even one example of a demon refusing the command of Jesus or one of the Apostles.)

If the activity does not cease, you are dealing with a human spirit, not a demon.

You are on target without a doubt.

However, the Apostles try and deliver the boy that was throwing himself into the fire and Jesus was the only one able to deliver him, and then He said these kind come out ONLY by prayer and fasting?

Joie 07-09-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 523508)
Bro. Larry, I have to disagree with this statement.

9. What is the cause for some Christians to have encounters with spirits attacking them while others don’t?

People can become so focused on fighting demons that the demons are able to deceive them more readily. It makes demons able to become more realistic in that person’s mind. No demon can materialize and physically attack a human. Signs of physical signs of attack on a person, are not made by direct contact with a demon spirit. You cannot see a spirit with your physical eyes.

I know of a lady minister that was physically drug out of bed by demons!

I have heard people say they have seen demons with their physical eyes.

How would they know when they see a demon if it is their natural eyes or spiritual eyes?

BTW...thanks for your response. I haven't finished reading all of them yet. :)

People can actually entertain speaking and thinking so much about satan that they are taken over by his spirit. Because of this focus, they believe they have seen the devil when it is a dream or a vision. Yes, the woman may have thought she was dragged out of bed because the evil spirit was so strong within her. I do not believe this would photograph in reality even though the woman felt she was being dragged out of bed.

I do not believe in seeing demons or ghosts with ones actual eyes. It is all in the spirit world.... good or bad.

Timmy 07-09-2008 07:39 PM

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27. Can you explain why some prophecies given do not come to pass as prophesied?

Need more practice?

:lol

Esther 07-09-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Joie (Post 523520)
People can actually entertain speaking and thinking so much about satan that they are taken over by his spirit. Because of this focus, they believe they have seen the devil when it is a dream or a vision. Yes, the woman may have thought she was dragged out of bed because the evil spirit was so strong within her. I do not believe this would photograph in reality even though the woman felt she was being dragged out of bed.

I do not believe in seeing demons or ghosts with ones actual eyes. It is all in the spirit world.... good or bad.

I guess when she was getting up off the FLOOR that was her imagination?

I under folks having difference of opinion about things they personally have never experience, but to say someone doesn't know if they were in the floor or the bed, it a stretch.

Rhoni 07-09-2008 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 477697)
Below are the 27 questions I ask and had answered by some powerful and wise men and woman of God.

Would you like to try and answer any or ALL of these?

1. Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon possessed at the same time?

NO

2. How can you determine if you are dealing with a person who is demon possessed, demon oppressed or a human spirit?

Oppression is a force acting on you from without, but a person possessed is dealing with a spirit within. Our own personal spirit can be controlled by us, but if you are demon possessed then you cannot control your actions and they are inappropriate and out of order.
3. When you are at the altar with many around and there is a demon possessed person how do you handle the situation?

I would ask those not prayed up to stand back and not touch or lay hands on the person. If there is a minister or a prayer warrior close I would bring them in to pray over the person.


4. Can a Holy Ghost filled person have a generation curse on them?

Yes, but they must be aware of it, ask God to break it and do everything in their power to be aware of triggers and to have a plan to avoid the behavior or circumstance.

5. Can objects be possessed?

I would say not...I would say that the Bible demonstrates when Jesus cast the demons out of legion they went into a herd of swine not a rock or a tree.

6. Can you rebuke a spirit in your mind or only by speaking aloud?
Both.

7. Can you fight spirits in your dreams?

Dreams are part of the consious and subconsious and I think you can wrestle with them in your dreams as they try to oppress you.

8. How can you tell if a dream is from God?

If it lines up with scripture then it might possibly be from God. If it is anything contrary to scripture then you ate too much pizza.

9. What is the cause for some Christians to have encounters with spirits attacking them while others don’t?

It has been my experience that a person who is a prayer warrior and more in tune with what is happening in the spirit this person would be a threat to satan and therefore a target of satan's attack to stop them.

10. What authority do you have and how should you pray in regards to working with angels of the Lord?

Whatever you pray to be bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you pray loosed on earth will be loosed in heaven.
I pray that God would send angels to fight the demons/evil spirits that bind individuals, families, churches, and communities.

11. Can you pass a spiritual gift to another?

No. These things are things to petition God for and only come from him.

12. Can one person have all nine gifts and how can you determine what if any gifts you have, and how can you learn to use them properly?

The Bible tells us to pray for these gifts - it is his will that we have them and function in them. The Bible tells us to pray for knowledge and wisdom but with all the getting pray for understanding.
Corinthians tells us how they are to be used properly in the church and even in what order.
It has been my experience that the more you step out in faith and use a gift the more comfortable you become using it.
13. What is the meaning and significance of passing your mantle to another, when this happens does the one passing the mantle lose it or share it?

There was typology in Elijah's passing the mantle to Elisha. Elisha prayed to God for a double portion of what Elijah had and God answered his prayer. It was God who granted him the power to do greater things than Elijah. It was not Elijah.

14. What is the anointing of God?

Anyone who is used by the spirit of God that dwells within is anointed/blessed/empowered.

15. How and when do you move up into another dimension of God?

These things only happen when you are practicing the disciplines; fasting, prayer, meditation, and studying of the word. If you want a closer/higher dimension then you have to put forth the effort to talk to him more, pray and fast for his will, and make yourself available. Listen to God and act on his will and not of your own personal goals and desires for recognition and fame.

16. Should you fast while you are in a spiritual battle?

Absolutely.

17. How and when do you do spiritual battle?

When you are prepared you can confront and be offensive rather than defensive in the spirit..storm the gates of hell.

18. Can you fight the prince of your city whenever you want or only if God directs you to?

Prayer changes things...waiting is for those who are afraid and not ready!

19. Is there a danger for a Holy Ghost filled person to go pray with a non Holy Ghost person at their church for revival?

Absolutely not. I have known whole assemblies of those searching to find and all be converted in te house. Prayer is always appropriate.

20. How can you KNOW the voice of God?

When you practice the spiritual disciplines you will know...try it...and journal what you are impressed with as you study, fast, and pray.


21. How powerful is MANS word?

It is powerful. The power of life and death are in the tongue. Why? Because out of the issues of the heart the mouth speaketh.

22. What is the fire of God?

Depends on what you are really asking/what context.

23. What hinders prayers from being answered?

Praying amiss...praying for your will to heap glory to yourself or benefits for yourself and not the kingdom. When you pray for things that are not the will of God.

24. Why is there so much sickness among us and why aren’t we seeing the complete healing of the people of God?

Taking the Lord's supper without having your heart right. Holding grudges, holding resentments, acting on those resentments. Not practicing the disciplines and not living being guided by the spirit of God.

25. What brings revival?

Wanting it more than anything else and committing it to the practice of the spiritual disciplines as well as praise and worshipping God. The Bible tells us that if we..."lift Him up He will draw all men unto himself."
26. Is there a price for being in the ministry and if so would you say the greater the price the greater the ministry?

I will caution you that many times the price we pay in ministry is because of our own bad judgment and focusing on works and not on spiritual things to the neglect of our health, families, and self.

There is a blessing in ministry but also a price.

I think I would reframe that to: To whom much is given, much is required.

27. Can you explain why some prophecies given do not come to pass as prophesied?

They were not from God. True prophecies will not fail.

That was a lot of work Sis. Esther.

Blessings, Rhoni

Esther 07-09-2008 07:50 PM

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Rhoni you have use the term "spiritual disciplines" several times. Can you elaborate on what you are meaning here?

Thanks for answering, and yes they can be hard work. :)

Esther 07-09-2008 07:53 PM

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Rhoni, you answered this question as follows:

5. Can objects be possessed?

I would say not...I would say that the Bible demonstrates when Jesus cast the demons out of legion they went into a herd of swine not a rock or a tree.

Although you used a good example, how about the example of Paul's apron and hankerchiefs being sent and the people were healed?

Knowing that satan copies everything that God does, do you not think objects can carry spirits as well?

Rhoni 07-09-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 523535)
Rhoni, you answered this question as follows:

5. Can objects be possessed?

I would say not...I would say that the Bible demonstrates when Jesus cast the demons out of legion they went into a herd of swine not a rock or a tree.

Although you used a good example, how about the example of Paul's apron and hankerchiefs being sent and the people were healed?

Knowing that satan copies everything that God does, do you not think objects can carry spirits as well?

There are no spirits or special anointings in the hankies and such...it was/is just a symbol of the prayers that went up for the person. The prayer, effectual fervent prayers of righteous men/women availeth much:)

Blessings, Rhoni

Bro-Larry 07-09-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 523512)
You are on target without a doubt.

However, the Apostles try and deliver the boy that was throwing himself into the fire and Jesus was the only one able to deliver him, and then He said these kind come out ONLY by prayer and fasting?

WADR Sis E, there are no hard devils. Jesus was referring to the apostles' unbelief. That kind of unbelief only comes out by that person's own prayer and fasting.

Esther 07-09-2008 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 523537)
There are no spirits or special anointings in the hankies and such...it was/is just a symbol of the prayers that went up for the person. The prayer, effectual fervent prayers of righteous men/women availeth much:)

Blessings, Rhoni

Well as I said these are controverial questions. I also KNOW that objects can have spirits attached to them. Not necessiarly posses them.

Many Missionaries will confirm this as well.

Thanks for your response Rhoni. :)

Joie 07-09-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 523527)
I guess when she was getting up off the FLOOR that was her imagination?

I under folks having difference of opinion about things they personally have never experience, but to say someone doesn't know if they were in the floor or the bed, it a stretch.

Esther... I do believe she believes it happened. Have heard of other similar experiences. :)

Esther 07-09-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 523538)
WADR Sis E, there are no hard devils. Jesus was referring to the apostles' unbelief. That kind of unbelief only comes out by that person's own prayer and fasting.

I agree with you, but in your comment you said no Apostle ever tried to cast out a devil without success. Just reminding you there was one case. :)


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