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StMark 05-31-2008 06:45 PM
STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Songs!
 
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too

Sherri 05-31-2008 06:46 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too
That would weird me out totally. Thank God for the blood!!! I hope we never get too sophisticated to sing about it.

StMark 05-31-2008 06:52 PM
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~ ~ Continued ~ ~


This Pastor went on to say that they were not allowed to perform the following:


1. From now on he only wanted "hill song" style. No gospel

2. They could not sing anymore slow songs for the worship service. only upbeat.


3. Absolutley NO More Hymns could be sung.


I'm not making this up. we came to the conclusion he probably went to one of those mega church growth seminars and came home and decided he would impliment their ways of doing things.

Needless to say, he has a lot of upset leaders as a result. I think some pastors are blaming the wrong things for the reasons for not growing


what says you??/

CC1 05-31-2008 06:57 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too
Even my Baptiscostal mega exUPC lib church makes a point to talk about how we do still sing about the blood and the importance of the blood of Jesus so I am very surprised to see a UPC church take this tact.

I do think it helps to explain the lyrics of these songs if you see visitors who might have no church background.

I also think it makes sense to not sing old songs whose meaning is no longer relevent like "Jesus on the mainline". 98% of people today don't have a clue about old time telephone exchanges and what a mainline is. The common thought of a mainline today has to do with heroin consumption!

StMark 05-31-2008 07:01 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 479090)
Even my Baptiscostal mega exUPC lib church makes a point to talk about how we do still sing about the blood and the importance of the blood of Jesus so I am very surprised to see a UPC church take this tact.

I do think it helps to explain the lyrics of these songs if you see visitors who might have no church background.

I also think it makes sense to not sing old songs whose meaning is no longer relevent like "Jesus on the mainline". 98% of people today don't have a clue about old time telephone exchanges and what a mainline is. The common thought of a mainline today has to do with heroin consumption!
Me thinks that some of our young ministers who are going to these Rick warran joel Osteen and Crystal cathedral are messing their heads up

The church service is a believer's meeting. winning souls is to be done in the community

CC1 05-31-2008 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479092)
Me thinks that some of our young ministers who are going to these Rick warran joel Osteen and Crystal cathedral are messing their heads up

The church service is a believer's meeting. winning souls is to be done in the community
Or you could have the fundamental facts wrong as you have done before!!!!:happydance:bliss:boxing:gaga

StMark 05-31-2008 07:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 479094)
Or you could have the fundamental facts wrong as you have done before!!!!:happydance:bliss:boxing:gaga


NOPE absolutley not - I know the situation very well.

Hoovie 05-31-2008 07:23 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too


I am a little leery of the "you gotta shockamoo" crowd, but on this issue I am hardcore. The message of the cross and forgiveness through the blood of Jesus is THE message of the church... ALL else matters little in comparison.

Cindy 05-31-2008 07:43 PM
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You mean no more
There is power, power, wonder working power, in the______of the lamb?
Oh, the_____that gives me strength from day to day, it will never lose it's power?

CC1 05-31-2008 08:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 479108)
I am a little leery of the "you gotta shockamoo" crowd, but on this issue I am hardcore. The message of the cross and forgiveness through the blood of Jesus is THE message of the church... ALL else matters little in comparison.
Ditto.

chosenbyone 05-31-2008 08:00 PM
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Week before last, the choral at Life did a melody of songs about the blood and they ushered in such a wonderful presence of God. I don't think that having a pastor state that the church should steer clear of singing about the blood would fly in most churches.

CC1 05-31-2008 08:02 PM
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I think we should also do away with any songs that make a reference to water since some people are afraid of the water.

We would not want to be responsible for any anxiety attacks.

Praxeas 05-31-2008 08:08 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too
Absurd and "seeker friendly" run amuck. BTW How many people in America are unfamiliar with the fact that Jesus died for us? Even atheists know we believe that and would not be without a clue. How many people in America have no church back ground either? Even a Muslim knows we believe Jesus died and shed his blood for us....

rrford 05-31-2008 08:09 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
The eptiome of religious stupidity.

Bro-Larry 05-31-2008 08:22 PM
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Sounds like a "soon-to-be-ex-UPC" pastor.

Cindy 05-31-2008 08:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 479162)
Sounds like a "soon-to-be-ex-UPC" pastor.
Hey, when y'all coming down for a visit? Would love to hear you sing again.

LadyCoonskinner 05-31-2008 08:29 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 479138)
I think we should also do away with any songs that make a reference to water since some people are afraid of the water.

We would not want to be responsible for any anxiety attacks.
You are waaaayyyy too funny for your own good CC1.:toofunny

StMark 05-31-2008 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner (Post 479175)
You are waaaayyyy too funny for your own good CC1.:toofunny

He is definitley on a roll tonight!

StMark 05-31-2008 08:31 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 479162)
Sounds like a "soon-to-be-ex-UPC" pastor.


To my surprise most of the Xupcers and such are against this notion too!

StMark 05-31-2008 08:32 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 479144)
Absurd and "seeker friendly" run amuck. BTW How many people in America are unfamiliar with the fact that Jesus died for us? Even atheists know we believe that and would not be without a clue. How many people in America have no church back ground either? Even a Muslim knows we believe Jesus died and shed his blood for us....


Not only that Prax, It's not like people scare that easy today. most of them watch bloody gore in the movies yet we are suppose to worry about grossing sinners out with bloody songs ????

StMark 05-31-2008 08:34 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
[QUOTE=cneasttx;479125]You mean no more
There is power, power, wonder working power, in the______of the lamb?
Oh, the_____that gives me strength from day to day, it will never lose it's power?[/QUOTE]


This is one of specifics songs that was brought up in the meeting!

"the blood will never lose its power"... Pastor says that song will frieghten today's unchurched visitor !!!

rrford 05-31-2008 08:35 PM
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The truth is that songs or messages about the blood, Calvary, the Rapture, hell, eternity, etc. do not move people anymore. This generation has become desensitized to most anything that would affect their emotions.

If truth be known, the pastor is probably not seeing the emtional response he wants to see and is blaming it on the content of the songs that should bring conviction in favor of "feel good" songs that absolve folks from feeling conviction. JMHO.

Sam 05-31-2008 08:39 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too
Is the pastor affiliated with the UPC?

StMark 05-31-2008 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 479184)
The truth is that songs or messages about the blood, Calvary, the Rapture, hell, eternity, etc. do not move people anymore. This generation has become desensitized to most anything that would affect their emotions.

If truth be known, the pastor is probably not seeing the emtional response he wants to see and is blaming it on the content of the songs that should bring conviction in favor of "feel good" songs that absolve folks from feeling conviction. JMHO.


You are saying the cross no longer convicts??

now I would concur that hell no longer scares anyone

when our church sings songs about the blood, especially when we reach back to the old ones, they are always effective. I am frankly tired of us trying to lower the bar to appease sinners who have little or no knowledge of God. why should we gage our services strictly according to their standard?

Esther 05-31-2008 08:40 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479074)
I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.


What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too
A Baptist teacher once told me anybody that couldn't say or didn't want to hear about the Blood of Jesus, has serious problems.

I agree!

StMark 05-31-2008 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam (Post 479189)
Is the pastor affiliated with the UPC?
He most definitely is

Sam 05-31-2008 08:41 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
I remember a woman telling me that her son was "traumatized" by seeing a depiction of Jesus on the cross at a church. He was pretty upset to think that someone was actually nailed to a cross.

Think we ought to take the cross out of all songs, references, and sermons?

Cindy 05-31-2008 08:42 PM
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[QUOTE=StMark;479182]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 479125)
You mean no more
There is power, power, wonder working power, in the______of the lamb?
Oh, the_____that gives me strength from day to day, it will never lose it's power?[/QUOTE]


This is one of specifics songs that was brought up in the meeting!

"the blood will never lose its power"... Pastor says that song will frieghten today's unchurched visitor !!!
Didn't Andrae Crouch write that song? I love that song. I was just singing it when I went to get a cup of coffee.

rrford 05-31-2008 08:43 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479190)
You are saying the cross no longer convicts??

now I would concur that hell no longer scares anyone

when our church sings songs about the blood, especially when we reach back to the old ones, they are always effective. I am frankly tired of us trying to lower the bar to appease sinners who have little or no knowledge of God. why should we gage our services strictly according to their standard?
As a rule such songs and messages do not move people the way they used to. I travel extensively and am amazed at the seeming calloused disinterest in such topics when they are preached. I am not saying there is never a response. Just a general malaise that seems to be slipping in upon the church at large.

The cross should always convict. But let us not forget that at the actual Calvary the majority of folks mocked, ridiculed and gambled while the blood flowed. Only a few were actually moved.

StMark 05-31-2008 08:44 PM
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[QUOTE=cneasttx;479194]
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479182)

Didn't Andrae Crouch write that song? I love that song. I was just singing it when I went to get a cup of coffee.


Yes, he wrote that song. He and his twin sister pastor a church here in CA.

Esther 05-31-2008 08:44 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479190)
You are saying the cross no longer convicts??

now I would concur that hell no longer scares anyone

when our church sings songs about the blood, especially when we reach back to the old ones, they are always effective. I am frankly tired of us trying to lower the bar to appease sinners who have little or no knowledge of God. why should we gage our services strictly according to their standard?
I agree!

Esther 05-31-2008 08:45 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if skeltons come out of the closet in the future. :(:tissue

Sam 05-31-2008 08:45 PM
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[QUOTE=cneasttx;479194]
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 479182)

Didn't Andrae Crouch write that song? I love that song. I was just singing it when I went to get a cup of coffee.
Isn't Andrae Crouch trinitarian and therefore unsaved?
Should Apostolic people sing songs written by sinners?

rrford 05-31-2008 08:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 479199)
I agree!
I also agree. But the obvious conclusions of how to do that will not be liked by many folks.

Cindy 05-31-2008 08:46 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam (Post 479193)
I remember a woman telling me that her son was "traumatized" by seeing a depiction of Jesus on the cross at a church. He was pretty upset to think that someone was actually nailed to a cross.

Think we ought to take the cross out of all songs, references, and sermons?
We all should be upset when we think of someone being nailed to a cross. But we should also be thankful for a Savior that would be nailed to a tree and shed his blood for us to be saved.

StMark 05-31-2008 08:47 PM
Re: STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Song
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 479195)
As a rule such songs and messages do not move people the way they used to. I travel extensively and am amazed at the seeming calloused disinterest in such topics when they are preached. I am not saying there is never a response. Just a general malaise that seems to be slipping in upon the church at large.

The cross should always convict. But let us not forget that at the actual Calvary the majority of folks mocked, ridiculed and gambled while the blood flowed. Only a few were actually moved.

Yea, I remember when Hell fire or the rapture was preached, people would run to the alter. now, people yawn while you talk about those things.
I wonder made people so hardened. maybe the movies? I'm not sure.

I think that's why XUPC churches and non denom. churches like warran and Osteen are preaching the Doc Phil 12 step program type sermons.

StMark 05-31-2008 08:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rrford (Post 479204)
I also agree. But the obvious conclusions of how to do that will not be liked by many folks.
what is it in your estimation?

StMark 05-31-2008 08:48 PM
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[QUOTE=Sam;479202]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 479194)

Isn't Andrae Crouch trinitarian and therefore unsaved?
Should Apostolic people sing songs written by sinners?

now sam, what made you go off on that tangent ???

StMark 05-31-2008 08:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 479201)
I wouldn't be surprised if skeltons come out of the closet in the future. :(:tissue

what are you talking about ???

Cindy 05-31-2008 08:50 PM
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[QUOTE=Sam;479202]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 479194)

Isn't Andrae Crouch trinitarian and therefore unsaved?
Should Apostolic people sing songs written by sinners?
I don't know if he is or not, but I am certain the annointing of God was on him when he wrote that song.
I also don't think he was a sinner.


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