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1Corinth2v4 06-06-2008 12:54 PM
Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates?
 
Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates?

Jack Shephard 06-06-2008 12:56 PM
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Sure, once someone that is interesting and theologial shows up..lol

Baron1710 06-06-2008 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 487036)
Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates?
Let's start with where you got that Th.D

Rico 06-06-2008 12:59 PM
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Yes. I want to know if fat meat really is greasy.

tamor 06-06-2008 01:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 487041)
Let's start with where you got that Th.D
:popcorn2

MissBrattified 06-06-2008 01:01 PM
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Whatcha got? :coffee2

Rico 06-06-2008 01:14 PM
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What's a Th.D?

AmericanAngel 06-06-2008 01:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 487043)
Yes. I want to know if fat meat really is greasy.

:toofunny

AmericanAngel 06-06-2008 01:52 PM
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Theological ...um:hmmm
Theo...
logical...




the "o" :runhills..log :footinmouth..eh :blink..call :blah

ya mean that kind of discussion? LOL :gaga

Encryptus 06-06-2008 01:55 PM
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:chirp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 487041)
Let's start with where you got that Th.D

:chirp:chirp:chirp

1Corinth2v4 06-06-2008 02:59 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 487039)
Sure, once someone that is interesting and theologial shows up..lol
:blah:blah

Raven 06-06-2008 03:28 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 487036)
Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates?
Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven

CC1 06-06-2008 06:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 487036)
Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates?
Absolutely not. I am for boring theological debates.

pelathais 06-06-2008 07:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 487240)
:blah:blah
What's with that heretical looking avatar of yours?

Mosby48 06-06-2008 08:08 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 487043)
Yes. I want to know if fat meat really is greasy.
Sure it is! That's where all the flavor is!

Cindy 06-06-2008 08:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 487452)
What's with that heretical looking avatar of yours?
He supports their candidate for the presidency. :reaction

The Mrs 06-06-2008 08:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosby48 (Post 487482)
Sure it is! That's where all the flavor is!
Aaaallll the fat is the Lord's!





I can't get that voice out of my head! (Bro. Mooney, early 90's sermon) :gaga

Praxeas 06-06-2008 11:46 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 487271)
Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven
The imagined "change" in the bible does NOT change the meaning of the text. It is stated by the translators that LORD in all capitals is used to REPRESENT that name. Not replace it or change the meaning of the text

Mareljr 06-07-2008 12:07 AM
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[QUOTE=The Mrs;487503]Aaaallll the fat is the Lord's!





If this is true I'm all his:bliss

Raven 06-07-2008 08:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 487599)
The imagined "change" in the bible does NOT change the meaning of the text. It is stated by the translators that LORD in all capitals is used to REPRESENT that name. Not replace it or change the meaning of the text
Prax
That's a weak answer and a man of your intelligence knows it.:) We wouldn't stand for that if they did that with anything else, such as ..... the name of Jesus in the New Testament. By replacing the name with a title we place another "degree of separation" between God and man. Another veil of separation between a God who desires to get closer to us, not further away. I appreciate your response but I thought it was 1Cor who wanted a discussion. Where is he?
Raven

Praxeas 06-07-2008 02:22 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 487708)
Prax
That's a weak answer and a man of your intelligence knows it.:) We wouldn't stand for that if they did that with anything else, such as ..... the name of Jesus in the New Testament. By replacing the name with a title we place another "degree of separation" between God and man. Another veil of separation between a God who desires to get closer to us, not further away. I appreciate your response but I thought it was 1Cor who wanted a discussion. Where is he?
Raven
No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.

Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.

TRFrance 06-07-2008 03:11 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 487271)
Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven
A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?

Rico 06-07-2008 03:29 PM
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God's name is Jesus.

Raven 06-07-2008 08:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 487932)
A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?
TRFrance
Yes, I do know all the pros and cons about what the correct name of God should or should not be, but I simply asked why some can be disturbed over the supposed disregard of a modern day standard but don't mind that the word of God was changed. If we are in such doubt then perhaps we should no longer shout the most common praise word in any language, Hallelujah! Or even Jesus, since it is a derivitive of Yahweh. I'm not actually worried about the exact and correct pronunciation of the name, as I am of the fact we are inconsistant. As to a version? Of course, the KJV echoes through my dreams but as to a literal translation, I like The Emphasized Bible. That being said, all versions have to be read with care and prayer.
Raven

Raven 06-07-2008 09:12 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 487905)
No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.

Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.
Prax
Take care my friend, your spirit is showing. As to answering, I didn't really see anything scriptural that needed to be refuted. You simply mentioned the translators and editors notes to the reader. Their reason isn't acceptable. Very simple! This is the God given word of God. I would like to preserve it the way He gave it ... His word, and not a substitute because of a Jewish superstition.

By the way is this scripture acceptable?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of the LORD for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Raven

Joelel 06-07-2008 11:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 487240)
:blah:blah
You want to start with 1 Cor.2:4 ?

Joelel 06-07-2008 11:33 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 487271)
Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven
Oh well,meanings of words just give understanding.Many like to see where they are going and some like the darkness of man.

Joelel 06-07-2008 11:42 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 487708)
Prax
That's a weak answer and a man of your intelligence knows it.:) We wouldn't stand for that if they did that with anything else, such as ..... the name of Jesus in the New Testament. By replacing the name with a title we place another "degree of separation" between God and man. Another veil of separation between a God who desires to get closer to us, not further away. I appreciate your response but I thought it was 1Cor who wanted a discussion. Where is he?
Raven
You got that right,names should never be changed going from one language to an other.

Praxeas 06-07-2008 11:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 488211)
Prax
Take care my friend, your spirit is showing.
Raven
Not sure what you mean here. You told me that my post was weak (was that your spirit showing?) and I repeated the same thing back to you. Then I pointed out you did not really address my points or my counter arguments to what you asserted and then I asked you to prove some of the assertions you just made. What's wrong with that?


BTW when you address my points and questions then I will get to yours.

Praxeas 06-07-2008 11:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 488318)
You got that right,names should never be changed going from one language to an other.
A name was not changed. That would be like changing Mike to Bob. LORD is not meant to be a name. The jews say "haShem" instead of saying Yahweh because of a belief that to say the name could risk irreverence.

The KJV translators followed that same practice by using the LORD. They do not hide the fact that the underlying Hebrew reads YHWH.

Either way I would like to know how we are all still so far from God because a bible we read says LORD and not Yahweh according to Raven.

Joelel 06-07-2008 11:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TRFrance (Post 487932)
A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?
YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.

Praxeas 06-08-2008 12:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 488329)
YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.
Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?

And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?

Joelel 06-08-2008 10:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 488338)
Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?

And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?
http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm

Praxeas 06-09-2008 12:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joelel (Post 489143)
I see an error right off the bat. They claim the name was Yahshua and that can't transliterate into jEsus or IEsous....but the name was Yeshua and it transliterates into Iesous

The people that made that website are into spiritism...the occult...they promote the likes of Edgar Cayce

lad 06-09-2008 01:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 487905)
No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.

Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.
:rolleyes:YOU - SIR, JUST LIKE TO ARGUE! :boxing:boxing ..... and that "green cheese" argument .... can be applied to your comment also. By the way, do you ever stop and consider that you don't KNOW the person you're "speaking" to on these forums - sometimes your answers can come off so abrasive. Of course, if you stay true to course, then your answer to MY comment would then be some sort of "slam". I'm not sure where you are from... but I think maybe you have a very dominate (possibly argumentative) pastor/leader. Maybe not...and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance! NOW don't get defensive - I'm just making a "point" ... that we sometimes answer these posts based on the emotion that they invoke in us!! Just an observer...

Cindy 06-09-2008 01:33 AM
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oooooh boy.

lad 06-09-2008 01:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 489321)
oooooh boy.

:haloplug:beatdeadhorse



:2cents

Praxeas 06-09-2008 02:24 AM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lad (Post 489320)
:rolleyes:YOU - SIR, JUST LIKE TO ARGUE! :boxing:boxing ..... and that "green cheese" argument .... can be applied to your comment also. By the way, do you ever stop and consider that you don't KNOW the person you're "speaking" to on these forums - sometimes your answers can come off so abrasive. Of course, if you stay true to course, then your answer to MY comment would then be some sort of "slam". I'm not sure where you are from... but I think maybe you have a very dominate (possibly argumentative) pastor/leader. Maybe not...and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance! NOW don't get defensive - I'm just making a "point" ... that we sometimes answer these posts based on the emotion that they invoke in us!! Just an observer...
I didn't say anything about that person. All I did was respond to his assertions and asked some questions. Then he made a comment about my spirit.

Cindy 06-09-2008 03:20 AM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lad (Post 489320)
:rolleyes:YOU - SIR, JUST LIKE TO ARGUE! :boxing:boxing ..... and that "green cheese" argument .... can be applied to your comment also. By the way, do you ever stop and consider that you don't KNOW the person you're "speaking" to on these forums - sometimes your answers can come off so abrasive. Of course, if you stay true to course, then your answer to MY comment would then be some sort of "slam". I'm not sure where you are from... but I think maybe you have a very dominate (possibly argumentative) pastor/leader. Maybe not...and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance! NOW don't get defensive - I'm just making a "point" ... that we sometimes answer these posts based on the emotion that they invoke in us!! Just an observer...
I understand, it took me a while to get use to Prax, but I finally figured out he really likes to get to the point with as few words as possible. And not get emotional about it. And he has a great sense of humor. But you have to really watch for it or you might miss it. :)

Joelel 06-09-2008 06:52 PM
Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 489311)
I see an error right off the bat. They claim the name was Yahshua and that can't transliterate into jEsus or IEsous....but the name was Yeshua and it transliterates into Iesous

The people that made that website are into spiritism...the occult...they promote the likes of Edgar Cayce
I don't care who made the sight,don't mean it's wrong.Look it up for yourself,different spelling,same pronunciation.

H3442
ישׁוּע
יֵשׁוַּע ‎ yêshûa‛
yah-shoo‘-ah
For 3091 he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.



H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
יְהוֹשׁוַּע יְהוֹשׁוַּע ‎ yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo‘-ah, yeh-ho-shoo‘-ah
From 3068 and 3467 Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare 1954 3442



H3467
ישׁע
יָשַׁע ‎ yâsha‛
yaw-shah‘
A primitive root; properly to be open, wide or free, that is, (by implication) to be safe; causatively to free or succor: - X at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.




H3442
ישׁוּע
יֵשׁוַּע ‎ yêshûa‛
yah-shoo‘-ah
For 3091 he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.



search for yourself

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...E&q=Yehowshuwa


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