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Joelel 06-08-2008 11:24 AM

Run your car with water
 
Do you think this really works ?

http://www.runacaronwater.com/reviews/

Rico 06-08-2008 11:29 AM

Re: Run your car with water
 
I've heard about this. If it turns out to be a viable alternative, the oil companies will probably buy his plans, make him a multi-millionaire, and lock the plans up in a vault somewhere for ever. BTW, the program I saw had the inventor using salt water.

DanielR 06-08-2008 11:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488489)
I've heard about this. If it turns out to be a viable alternative, the oil companies will probably buy his plans, make him a multi-millionaire, and lock the plans up in a vault somewhere for ever. BTW, the program I saw had the inventor using salt water.


Can't be bought. The patents on water as fuel are 70 years old and are accessible to everyone. They are now public domain. Although I haven't seen a system in operation, I have heard of people running gas/water hybrids since the 70's that increases gas mileage at least 20% in some cases alot more. (Depending on how well the system is tweaked) I while ago I ran across a site that went through all the old patents, tested them, and then made a manual with pictures of how to build and install it/them, depending on how elaberate of a system that you want. I'm concidering making the investment in the manual to try out on my own vehichle. Here's the link that I ran across if your interested as well. http://www.runacaronwater.com/

Rico 06-08-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielR (Post 488492)
Can't be bought. The patents on water as fuel are 70 years old and are accessible to everyone. They are now public domain. Although I haven't seen a system in operation, I have heard of people running gas/water hybrids since the 70's that increases gas mileage at least 20% in some cases alot more. (Depending on how well the system is tweaked) I while ago I ran across a site that went through all the old patents, tested them, and then made a manual with pictures of how to build and install it/them, depending on how elaberate of a system that you want. I'm concidering making the investment in the manual to try out on my own vehichle. Here's the link that I ran across if your interested as well. http://www.runacaronwater.com/

I've thought about trying it with my Celebrity. I can't help but think that running water in a car will have a negative impact on the engines components over a period of time. My Celebrity is the only car I have that I would be willing to risk sacrificing for that sort of experiment.

DanielR 06-08-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488493)
I've thought about trying it with my Celebrity. I can't help but think that running water in a car will have a negative impact on the engines components over a period of time. My Celebrity is the only car I have that I would be willing to risk sacrificing for that sort of experiment.

Based on what I have researched, you are not actually running on water. The water (H2O) molecules are broken down into HHO gas. The engine is actually running on the Hydrogen along with gasoline, with steam and oxygen as the byproduct within the exhaust.

Joelel 06-08-2008 11:55 AM

Re: Run your car with water
 
There are plans at the bottom of this link under reviews

http://www.runacaronwater.com/reviews/

CC1 06-08-2008 12:02 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.

Joelel 06-08-2008 12:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 488500)
I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.

That's what I think too.

Joelel 06-08-2008 12:10 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
I wish I knew someone who had one,see how they run and all.

Rico 06-08-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielR (Post 488494)
Based on what I have researched, you are not actually running on water. The water (H2O) molecules are broken down into HHO gas. The engine is actually running on the Hydrogen along with gasoline, with steam and oxygen as the byproduct within the exhaust.

Turns out this is different than what I was thinking it. I was thinking about a program I saw where a man has actually invented a way of making salt water burn. He's converted his Escort over to this new system he's designed and everything.

The site you sent me to is talking about is something completely different. It sounds pretty interesting though, and it doesn't cost a whole lot to get started. I have saved that site and will be looking into it more.

DanielR 06-08-2008 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488512)
Turns out this is different than what I was thinking it. I was thinking about a program I saw where a man has actually invented a way of making salt water burn. He's converted his Escort over to this new system he's designed and everything.

Yeah, that's a totally different thing. Like you, I wouldn't want to go with that 'cause that looks like problems waiting to happen.

Rico 06-08-2008 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 488500)
I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.

CC1, it's no secret that the car manufacturers and oil companies are in cahoots with each other. That's not some far fetched conspiracy theory. Cars that use oil wear out much faster than cars than cars that use synthetic types of oil. Who do you think benefits from that? The car manufacturers do because they get to sell you more new cars over your lifetime.

If what these people are saying is true, and this technology was patented back in the 70s, why hasn't it been implemented on a wide scale basis? Because the oil companies don't want you owning a car that gets 50+ miles to a gallon of gasoline especially when the price of oil was cheap. They'd rather you own an SUV that gets 14, so they can sell you more gasoline.

One industry looks out for the other. The oil companies make sure that synthetic oil costs too much for the average person to use in their cars, thereby ensuring your car wears out faster so the automakers get to sell more cars. Then the automakers make sure their cars don't get the kind of fuel economy they could with the right kind of technology being used on a mass scale, thereby helping the oil companies to to sell more gasoline. They're busy scratching each other's backs.

RandyWayne 06-08-2008 02:18 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 488500)
I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.


This reminds me of the story that I hear from virtually everyone: "I have a friend/uncle who had a friend/uncle who had some big 1971 <fill in the name of the car> boat that used to get 47 miles to the gallon! He took it in for service one and the technician said 'you had the wrong carb installed. We switched it for the correct one." at which point they started getting the 'normal' 17 mpg."
I have traveled across the country and heard this near identical story in nearly every household.


Fact: Water has no inherent energy in it. It is the product of hydrogen that has chemically burnt. Just as pure ash is the burnt product of wood (charcoal is only partially burnt.... so that is NOT an example of being able to 're-burn' something.)
Fact #2: In some cases they CAN inject water into an engine to increase HP, but only when the engine is running extremely hot. The extra HP comes from the increased compression brought by the extra steam. The water isn't adding any extra heat to the process.
Fact #3: Making hydrogen from water is VERY inefficient. Any talk of "browns gas" is just another throw back to sheisters who tried to patent their miracle inventions.
Fact #4: Because something is patented means it is NOT viable. The patent office stopped taking applications for perpetual motion machines a few decades ago, but there are still many of them on file.

Here is an excellent site on perpetual motion. Many good articles on 'browns gas'/hydrogen and '200 mph' carbs.
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

Praxeas 06-08-2008 03:45 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488489)
I've heard about this. If it turns out to be a viable alternative, the oil companies will probably buy his plans, make him a multi-millionaire, and lock the plans up in a vault somewhere for ever. BTW, the program I saw had the inventor using salt water.

That or some venture capitalist will back it up and start making cars that do this

Rico 06-08-2008 03:47 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
This is what I was thinking about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk

Rico 06-08-2008 03:51 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
Here's the guy using water to run his car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_r...eature=related

ManOfWord 06-08-2008 04:01 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
I've already checked these out. None is really as viable as it seems. To make enough H gas, you need to have a lot of surface area on your electrode for the hydrolysis process. I also don't know what the amperage needs are and what kind of load it would put on your alternator when splitting the H2O. :D

Rico 06-08-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 488714)
I've already checked these out. None is really as viable as it seems. To make enough H gas, you need to have a lot of surface area on your electrode for the hydrolysis process. I also don't know what the amperage needs are and what kind of load it would put on your alternator when splitting the H2O. :D

Have you checked out the one that uses a mason jar with water and baking soda in it?

ManOfWord 06-08-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488725)
Have you checked out the one that uses a mason jar with water and baking soda in it?

That's one I haven't seen. :D

Rico 06-08-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 488727)
That's one I haven't seen. :D

Here ya go. They got testimonies and everything!

http://www.runacaronwater.com/

RandyWayne 06-08-2008 04:30 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
The original water pill inventor! (And the real source of the Clampet fortune.)

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia...f5/Jethro7.jpg

Bro-Larry 06-08-2008 05:00 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488731)
Here ya go. They got testimonies and everything!

http://www.runacaronwater.com/

I read the book and the process seems viable, but it's not something the average person could build in their garage. Unless you are an electronics engineer or own a hightech machine shop, don't waste your money on the ebook.

StMark 06-08-2008 05:03 PM

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They're telling us that it's almost for certain that Gas
will be $5 in Calif. starting in July. It's already $5.16
in the desert areas and over $5 for diesel. As I stated
on the other threads, the truck drivers are buying it on
the black market out here

Rico 06-08-2008 05:09 PM

Re: Run your car with water
 
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 488800)
I read the book and the process seems viable, but it's not something the average person could build in their garage. Unless you are an electronics engineer or own a hightech machine shop, don't waste your money on the ebook.

Larry, did you look at the pictures? It's a mason jar with holes in the top, some binding posts, vacuum line, and whatever they are using for the elements inside the jar. How much more simple could it be? The average wannabe back yard mechanic should be able to make something like that. :)

Bro-Larry 06-08-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 488815)
Larry, did you look at the pictures? It's a mason jar with holes in the top, some binding posts, vacuum line, and whatever they are using for the elements inside the jar. How much more simple could it be? The average wannabe back yard mechanic should be able to make something like that. :)

I didn't see that pic. Where is it? :reaction

Rico 06-08-2008 05:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry (Post 488838)
I didn't see that pic. Where is it? :reaction


http://www.runacaronwater.com/


Scroll down the page some. There are diagrams of the whole system and the whole nine yards. I can't quite figure out what they are using for the elements in the jar though.

JamDat 06-08-2008 09:55 PM

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Funny thing is though, I can't find anyone on the web that makes and installs any of these hho devices. I would think one of these people who've bought the books would want to start a side business.

One guy who made a new kind of torch is working with the government to create a hho hummer.

Balanced 06-09-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JamDat (Post 489124)
Funny thing is though, I can't find anyone on the web that makes and installs any of these hho devices. I would think one of these people who've bought the books would want to start a side business.

One guy who made a new kind of torch is working with the government to create a hho hummer.

There are several companies that make and sell these for about $1500. A Ford dealer about and hour away from me has been testing some and I believe is selling a unit now.

My brother-in-law is making one to try on his vehicle for about $30-$50. Once I see how his works I may give it a try.

I'm still a little skeptical about it myself.

Rico 06-09-2008 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Balanced (Post 489771)
There are several companies that make and sell these for about $1500. A Ford dealer about and hour away from me has been testing some and I believe is selling a unit now.

My brother-in-law is making one to try on his vehicle for about $30-$50. Once I see how his works I may give it a try.

I'm still a little skeptical about it myself.

Let us know how well it works.

Balanced 06-09-2008 03:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 489773)
Let us know how well it works.

Will do.

JamDat 06-09-2008 04:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Balanced (Post 489771)
There are several companies that make and sell these for about $1500. A Ford dealer about and hour away from me has been testing some and I believe is selling a unit now.

My brother-in-law is making one to try on his vehicle for about $30-$50. Once I see how his works I may give it a try.

I'm still a little skeptical about it myself.

Would you be able to name the dealership? I don't want to divulge who you are or where you live so if you can't post it could you pm me? I understand if you can't though.

I was taking to a car enthusiast today about hho in cars and he told that the car forums laugh about people being taken for their money. If it works though they can laugh at me all they want. :bliss

Joelel 06-09-2008 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Balanced (Post 489771)
There are several companies that make and sell these for about $1500. A Ford dealer about and hour away from me has been testing some and I believe is selling a unit now.

My brother-in-law is making one to try on his vehicle for about $30-$50. Once I see how his works I may give it a try.

I'm still a little skeptical about it myself.

Great,let us know how it works.


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