Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?
 

Was Abraham's Relationship With Hagar Adulterous?

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Depends on if she looked like Wonder Woman or not! :D

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Yes.

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Oh my Gosh! Rico! LOL

I'm accually doing a bible study on a different forum on Genisis. IMO, no. It was the custom at that time. Next question would be, was it right? I don't think God really wanted it that way, and look at the consequences/reprecussions of this act.

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:girlytantrum

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Couldn't have been. Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham... Adulterous, no; stupid, impetuous, impatience, yes.

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This is the woman he made Ishmael with, right? It's been a long time since I read that story. I don't remember the Bible referring to their relationship as adulterous. Wasn't she a concubine?

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Sarah's handmaid I believe or her Egyptian maidservant. Gen 16

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That situation is what has given us the Middle East conflict we deal with today. The Arabs are Ishmaelites and the Israelis are descendants of Isaac. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this. I am totally straining my brain to remember some of these things I was taught.

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Oh yeah, that made it all better. Actually Sarah was just wrong. And then Ishmael was a reminder of her impetousness. Still adultery to me if they weren't married even under the Law. Is a concubine a wife under the Law?

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Jewish history is confusing to me sometimes too.

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This was before the law was given. However it was not really adulterous under those conditions but more polygamous.

She was a concubine and concubines were wives of inferior status

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To me if Sarah was able to GIVE her to Abraham there is something wrong from the get go.

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Sounds right, what a horrible practice.

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True. But she started out just as Sarah's servant--it was Sarah's idea for Abraham to have a concubine.

I think you're right--it was more polygamous...didn't Jacob have children by both of his wives' maidservants, as well as Rachel & Leah?

I definitely wouldn't call it adulterous.

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I think Jacob did yes.

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Sure. It was called "slavery." One person could own another.

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No!!!
Multiple wives was not a sin under the Law.
Gideon had many wives plus concubines.

[Judg 8:30] And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.

[Judg 8:31] And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech.

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I don't think that it would have been adulterous under the law, which is where we get the commandment against adultery in the first place. :)

Scripture seems to treat this situation with some degree of normalcy--Exodus 21 is talking about wives who are taken in captivity, and Deut. is just addressing the generic situation of having two wives. ("...one beloved and the other hated.")

Exodus 21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives,...

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Not at all.

No more than Jacob's relationship with the Bilhah and Zilpah (the handmaidens of Leah and Rachel) were adulterous.

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And lets not forget Soloman...was it 800+ or - wives and 300+ or- concubines???

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That's just plain way too excessive. I could see maybe 3-4, 6 over your lifetime max, but all them womenfolk? Absolutely NOT! Maybe the reason all this polygamy stuff was popular is because there was a shortage of men and an overabundance of women? Just a thought.

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Wasn't adulterous at that time... David and Bethsheba was adulterous.
Women were chattel. Jesus was the first to liberate women.. and the first to emancipate slaves.
He took us back to the way things were created to be.

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True, plus there were more women than men anyway, because warfare was such a big a part of that era. Men got killed off in wars a lot, so even if every man got married to one wife, there'd be a lot of women left over. So from a practical standpoint it would make sense for the men to take on multiple wives. Multiple wives= multiple offspring, which would help the nations to replenish their population, and avoid extinction.

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This is probably very true. At least these were my thoughts.

But TODAY it would be wrong.

David also fit into that time of mulitiple wives.

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But you know Sarah seems to have started a pattern for polygamyous women. For the first wife it might be great, but she didn't like the idea of the cocubine having a child that might usurp her's. And I have read that the first wives from FLDS and others are like that. That they are very abusive to the other wives children. And you know having a lot of kids wears you out and wears you down. So if numbers are neccessary as it seems to be for them, they need a lot of younger women having children. I was pregnant nine times in fifteen years up to to my mid 30's. My doctor strongly advised me to stop.

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Yes he did... that's how he was able to kill off Uriah and marry Bathsheba before the affair was found out.
The irony was, he should have been at war himself when he was tempted with Bathsheba.

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Rom. 7:7, Paul explained that he would not have known sin, but by the law.

I have a dear friend from another country who told me that growing up she
was never told anything was wrong. When she became a teenager and began
dating, she had no boundries, she didn't have any standard to go by. Nothing
was wrong so she did whatever. Later she moved to our town, went to school
with me my senior year. dropped out to marry. Later, marital problems, planning
to divorce husband, went to church with me, heard the gospel, baptized in Jesus
Name, received the Holy Ghost. Has served God many years.

Said all that to say, without the boundries of the law, they did not know what
sin was. Paul told the Galatians that the law was given for transgressions until
the seed (Jesus Christ) could come. Gal. 3:16

A child may do something unacceptable, but when confronted with the truth,
they are then accountable.

The law had not yet been given. Evidently not counted as wrong. After God
called Abraham to go out, and Abraham obeyed, faith in God grew and his
faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Maybe Abraham lacked some in
the righteous dept. at that time, but he believed God and God just took some of
his faith and credited or accounted it to him for righteousness.

Just some Falla thoughts anyway!

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Do you have nine children?

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Excellent description of the Old Testement!!!!! God winked at their ignorance but now commands all man everywhere to repent.
Thank you Falla.

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I had nine children, I have 6 living children.

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Wow Granny! No wonder you're stern with us! :D

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No wonder things were in such a mess back then. How did they ever keep track of their wives and children?

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Ha! Made my youngest and one of her friends a little mad today. Even though she is an adult she is still my child.

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Amen Sis Falla! I agree with this post.

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My mother gets on my case sometimes... I wouldn't have it any other way.
If I'm anything good at all, it's because of my parents... and my Lord!

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That is absolutely true Sis. Falla, and when God confronts you he does it with such love. And He often does it directly so you have no doubts of what it is. I am speaking of a child being held accountable.

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Sisters, Mrs. LPW, Hnhisle, and Cindy,

Thanks for kind words.

Blessings,

Falla39

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Wouldn't the world be nice without the Arabs and Islam ?

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I can accept an Arab without Islamic doctrine.