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StMark 06-10-2008 04:09 PM

Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your church
 
Are you against this ?

Has your church stopped allowing it ??


At one time did you believe in it but have changed
your views on it ?

Old Paths 06-10-2008 04:14 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 491028)
Are you against this ? NO.

Has your church stopped allowing it ?? NO.


At one time did you believe in it but have changed
your views on it ? NO


:reaction

:bliss :happydance

StMark 06-10-2008 04:17 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 491031)
:reaction

:bliss :happydance


GOOD


I know that most of the XUPC/Apostolic churches
Do not allow it in fact they mock and laugh at it.

Even some UPC churches are now opposed to it.

Pragmatist 06-10-2008 04:17 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
We're very much in favor of it!:shockamoo

StMark 06-10-2008 04:18 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
in fact, i've been in meetings where Pentecostals acted
like they had never seen it before. some were
almost appalled by it.

WyoPastor 06-10-2008 04:31 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
We encourage it.

CC1 06-10-2008 04:32 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 491028)
Are you against this ?

Has your church stopped allowing it ??


At one time did you believe in it but have changed
your views on it ?

Come see for yourself!:happydance

StMark 06-10-2008 04:34 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoPastor (Post 491052)
We encourage it.


Good to see you posting WP!

I think it gets people out of thier flesh, their feelings
of depression and once they can surrender their pride
and emotions, it ushers the presence of the Lord into
the midst

StMark 06-10-2008 04:35 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491056)
Come see for yourself!:happydance

lol I just might do that in August -we'll see what kind of timeline i have

Steve Epley 06-10-2008 04:36 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
:amen:choir:preach:feral:bump:bdayparty:rockband:s hockamoo:shockamoo:shockamoo

We are just like Pentecost has always been!

StMark 06-10-2008 04:38 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 491067)
:amen:choir:preach:feral:bump:bdayparty:rockband:s hockamoo:shockamoo:shockamoo

We are just like Pentecost has always been!


but WHY are so many against it now ???? I'm not getting
It but I want to understand

Is it me or what ???

CC1 06-10-2008 04:40 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 491067)
:amen:choir:preach:feral:bump:bdayparty:rockband:s hockamoo:shockamoo:shockamoo

We are just like Pentecost has always been!


Got any New Testament examples of "shouting"?

It is interesting that after the upper room on the Day of Pentecost there are zero references to anything that could have been construed as people being drunk (which is the basis on which Pentecostal shockamoo is based).

You would think that the church in the book of Acts or that the Epistles would have at least touched on "shouting" if that was going on. It certainly would have garnered some outside interest yet you don't see one single scripture where it is talked about.

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 04:41 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 491028)
Are you against this ?

Has your church stopped allowing it ??


At one time did you believe in it but have changed
your views on it ?

I don't know of any Pentecostals that disallows it, do you?

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 04:42 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491070)
Got any New Testament examples of "shouting"?

It is interesting that after the upper room on the Day of Pentecost there are zero references to anything that could have been construed as people being drunk (which is the basis on which Pentecostal shockamoo is based).

You would think that the church in the book of Acts or that the Epistles would have at least touched on "shouting" if that was going on. It certainly would have garnered some outside interest yet you don't see one single scripture where it is talked about.

What? You don't shout because you cannot find a reference?

CC1 06-10-2008 04:43 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 491075)
I don't know of any Pentecostals that disallows it, do you?

I have been told there are pockets of churches that consider it "wildfire" and don't allow it. That is rare in old time Oneness Pentecost though.

CC1 06-10-2008 04:44 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 491076)
What? You don't shout because you cannot find a reference?

I thnk 98% of it is purely Pentecostal tradition and culture. It is not in the Bible.

It is a learned behaviour from watching other people do it and being in an atmospehere where it is done and encouraged.

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 04:44 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
well...deep subject for my shallow mind...ha...

the Bible teaches order...do whatever God is in...however those that pop gum and start jumping with the music...I doubt that God is in such stuff...Paul taught ORDER...move according to Godīs order...

I have seen people deeply moved by the spirit...once in a service I felt to lay my hands on brother and his leg grew...that was in order...

When things are in order GOD moves...out of order it is just a hayday...

Steve Epley 06-10-2008 04:45 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491070)
Got any New Testament examples of "shouting"?

It is interesting that after the upper room on the Day of Pentecost there are zero references to anything that could have been construed as people being drunk (which is the basis on which Pentecostal shockamoo is based).

You would think that the Epistles would have at least touched on "shouting" if that was going on. It certainly would have garnered some outside interest yet you don't see one single scripture where it is talked about.

Acts 2:33 speaks of them hearing and SEEING!
Acts 3 the healed man LEAPS into the temple.

In Acts 8 GREAT JOY was evident in the city.
Also the Eunuch went his way rejoicing.

That's for starters.

Too be fair would a visitor to CC ever accuse y'all of being drunk??? Asleep maybe drunk NOT.:happydance:happydance:happydance

CC1 06-10-2008 04:46 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 491080)
well...deep subject for m shallow mind...ha...

the Bible teaches order...do whatever God is in...however those that pop gum and start jumping with the music...I doubt that God is in such stuff...Paul taught ORDER...move according to Godīs order...

I have seen people deeply moved by the spirit...once in a service I felt to lay my hands on brother and his leg grew...that was in order...

When things are in order GOD moves...out of order it is just a hayday...

I agree. I believe God can and does deeply affect ones emotions. However there is a difference in jumping and jiving to the music and the Holy Spirit moving in your heart and mind.

CC1 06-10-2008 04:49 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 491082)
Acts 2:33 speaks of them hearing and SEEING!
Acts 3 the healed man LEAPS into the temple.

In Acts 8 GREAT JOY was evident in the city.
Also the Eunuch went his way rejoicing.

That's for starters.

Too be fair would a visitor to CC ever accuse y'all of being drunk??? Asleep maybe drunk NOT.:happydance:happydance:happydance

I think healed people rejoicing is natural and not to be confused with shouting as you see it in Pentecostal churches.

If you are honest you will have to admit there is no New Testament precedent for the "shouting" that goes on in Pentecostal churches.

Even the account of the upper room has no references to what Pentecostals do today.

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 04:50 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Miriam was for certain in order when she danced with the ladies...David was in order when he danced before the Lord...

Steve Epley 06-10-2008 04:54 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491087)
I think healed people rejoicing is natural and not to be confused with shouting as you see it in Pentecostal churches.

If you are honest you will have to admit there is no New Testament precedent for the "shouting" that goes on in Pentecostal churches.

Even the account of the upper room has no references to what Pentecostals do today.

The OT type worship engrained in the Jewish folks was not addressed as not to be done! The sabbath-sacrifices-feast days-circumcision-dietary laws are all addressed in that they would not continue in the Church Age however these Jews who were and are today(Orthodox) are very expressive in worship. If this had changed to a solemn Baptist type meeting surely the Apostles would have addressed it.

And folks should rejoice over being healed MORE than being saved?

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 04:55 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
In studying Jewish history they had dances ...but they did not go wild and banging their heads and hurting themselves EXCEPT when they worked themselves into a frenzy worshipping before the golden calf...

and I love worship but love it in the spirit or led by the spirit...

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 05:05 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491079)
I thnk 98% of it is purely Pentecostal tradition and culture. It is not in the Bible.

It is a learned behaviour from watching other people do it and being in an atmospehere where it is done and encouraged.

So if it's a watched behavior, who started it?:rolleyes2:D

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 05:06 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Yeah, but that's Old Testament.

Mrs. LPW 06-10-2008 05:07 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491087)
I think healed people rejoicing is natural and not to be confused with shouting as you see it in Pentecostal churches.

If you are honest you will have to admit there is no New Testament precedent for the "shouting" that goes on in Pentecostal churches.

Even the account of the upper room has no references to what Pentecostals do today.

Saved people oughta be on their way rejoicing even more than the healed person.

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 05:08 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 491091)
The OT type worship engrained in the Jewish folks was not addressed as not to be done! The sabbath-sacrifices-feast days-circumcision-dietary laws are all addressed in that they would not continue in the Church Age however these Jews who were and are today(Orthodox) are very expressive in worship. If this had changed to a solemn Baptist type meeting surely the Apostles would have addressed it.

And folks should rejoice over being healed MORE than being saved?


It is a fact that the "church fathers" took jewish dances OUT of the church. I do not think we can find where the disciples or Paul took worship out of the church.
History says, the first churches were built with a place for them to dance but as time passed and the church became corrupted circle dances common among Jews were taken out of the so called church.

I am not against anything that would draw us closer to God...In Brazil our people laugh among themselves because they know by my expression if I think someone is out of order...

Now please do not mistake what I am saying...

I was just up in a convention (one of our churches) and we had visitors from another church group..their pastor did all kinds of jumping falling out spinning...you name it he did it...fell out in the floor...lol...

Then after all his commotion I was asked to preach...

I told them, now you folks have danced and carried on for over an hour...our people mostly watched the show...if I had been the pastor I would have sit the guy down...good thing God did not call me to pastor...
Anyway I told them I had a message from God and I did not want anyone talking in tongues and dancing while I was up...
The real spirit of the Lord came down and before it was over 16 grown people were in the alter weeping...

I am for what God is for...if it goes beyond what I feel is scripture I usually just stand and watch...

Rico 06-10-2008 05:09 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 491067)
:feral
We are just like Pentecost has always been!

Now, Brother, you know good and well some guy with hair on his face would not be allowed at any church you pastor! :D

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 05:10 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
I seen God heal several people ...twice I saw crippled walk, a dead aby raised from the dead...Yes, we shouted for we had a reason to rejoice...I have shouted and rejoiced to see witchdoctors come to the Lord...Even the Lord will decend with a shout...

Sister Alvear 06-10-2008 05:11 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
I believe in Balance.

Steve Epley 06-10-2008 05:12 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico (Post 491103)
Now, Brother, you know good and well some guy with hair on his face would not be allowed at any church you pastor! :D

BUT I am NOT pastoring.:happydance:happydance

Rico 06-10-2008 05:12 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491079)
I thnk 98% of it is purely Pentecostal tradition and culture. It is not in the Bible.

It is a learned behaviour from watching other people do it and being in an atmospehere where it is done and encouraged.

I supposed I learned how to spin this fat body around so fast (the helicopter thing) that all people could see was a blur, without missing a step or falling over? Yeah, right! :blah:blah

Mrs. LPW 06-10-2008 05:13 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 491102)

Then after all his commotion I was asked to preach...

I told them, now you folks have danced and carried on for over an hour...our people mostly watched the show...if I had been the pastor I would have sit the guy down...good thing God did not call me to pastor...
Anyway I told them I had a message from God and I did not want anyone talking in tongues and dancing while I was up...
The real spirit of the Lord came down and before it was over 16 grown people were in the alter weeping...

I am for what God is for...if it goes beyond what I feel is scripture I usually just stand and watch...


Well this just brings up the old debate... do you have to be "in the spirit" to dance before the Lord?

I have seen people get up and disrupt the moving of the Spirit by their antics... but I've also seen someone move around almost turning inside out with the glow of the Lord all over them.
I would never want to tell the man I've seen moving his whole body in sheer exuberance and excitement over the Lord that he needs to stand and simply raise his hands with an enraptured and serene look on his face, because his moving might bother someone.
With the same token... if someone is known to be out for attention.. that would have to be dealt with.

I don't think it offends the Lord when we get excited in our bodies about what He has done. We serve the Only True Living God, Creator and Savior, my GOD! When I think of what He has done in my life alone...
I'll move to praise Him if I want to, or feel to... and sometimes even when I don't!

Edit.. there are definitely people who want to be seen, or are disruptive and out of order. I know someone between here and the north pole who likes to give messages in tongues at the worst times. Often ministers just have to talk over top of him, or ask the whole church to pray. There will be people who either by their own personality or by a demonic spirit will disrupt your service. It's up to the Pastor to discern what is what and who is who... a Pastor may know the person better and know where they are coming from.

Jack Shephard 06-10-2008 05:17 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 491079)
I thnk 98% of it is purely Pentecostal tradition and culture. It is not in the Bible.

It is a learned behaviour from watching other people do it and being in an atmospehere where it is done and encouraged.

I am not against it, but you are dead on. There is no scriptures that show running is ok, etc. I think it is a culture deal. Some churches you can whistle and what not. But some you can not move your body in anyway. Again I am not against it, but I am not a runner and a dancer. I might leap but rare. It is funny that the stricter ones on here are ripping the Fl movement and other things cause somethings they do are not 'biblical' but yet they worship in sucha a way that is not shown there either. Makes ya wonder

Jack Shephard 06-10-2008 05:22 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW (Post 491113)
Well this just brings up the old debate... do you have to be "in the spirit" to dance before the Lord?I have seen people get up and disrupt the moving of the Spirit by their antics... but I've also seen someone move around almost turning inside out with the glow of the Lord all over them.
I would never want to tell the man I've seen moving his whole body in sheer exuberance and excitement over the Lord that he needs to stand and simply raise his hands with an enraptured and serene look on his face, because his moving might bother someone.
With the same token... if someone is known to be out for attention.. that would have to be dealt with.

I don't think it offends the Lord when we get excited in our bodies about what He has done. We serve the Only True Living God, Creator and Savior, my GOD! When I think of what He has done in my life alone...
I'll move to praise Him if I want to, or feel to... and sometimes even when I don't!

The first underlined portion is a NO-if this is the course of a service. If everyone is shockamooin' or the spirit is moving to be vibrant in worship. There is a difference is a shouting 'spirit' per se than and deep worshipful 'spirit, like crying and face-down worship.

There is no problem in praising Him in worship and or gratification over what He has done for you. But if you get excited about what He has done in the middle of the sermon and the sermon is not one that is bringing everyone to the same 'spirit' per se then it is best to keep it down. Remember everything in order.

Mrs. LPW 06-10-2008 05:22 PM

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Culture does play a part... Anyone who's been to African churches (not African American... the continent Africa) can attest to that.

Mrs. LPW 06-10-2008 05:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 491124)
The first underlined portion is a NO-if this is the course of a service. If everyone is shockamooin' or the spirit is moving to be vibrant in worship. There is a difference is a shouting 'spirit' per se than and deep worshipful 'spirit, like crying and face-down worship.

There is no problem in praising Him in worship and or gratification over what He has done for you. But if you get excited about what He has done in the middle of the sermon and the sermon is not one that is bringing everyone to the same 'spirit' per se then it is best to keep it down. Remember everything in order.

Indeed.. I added to my post after you replied I think. So much to say, so little time HA.

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 05:25 PM

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If tithing cannot be mandated in the NT, then niether can any form of worship that would include, running, shouting, dancing, singing, well.......you catch my drift. I didn't know that there were any rules to worship and praise within the NT. In general, we really cannot judge how someone displays their worship. (although I realize discernment would be a different issue altogether)

rgcraig 06-10-2008 05:25 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 491035)
GOOD


I know that most of the XUPC/Apostolic churches
Do not allow it in fact they mock and laugh at it.

Even some UPC churches are now opposed to it.

Name these churches?

How do they convey that they do not allow it?

Announce it from the pulpit? I can't imagine a church not allowing a move of God.

BrotherEastman 06-10-2008 05:26 PM

Re: Do u allow Running,Shouting,Dancing in your ch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 491131)
Name these churches?

How do they convey that they do not allow it?

Announce it from the pulpit? I can't imagine a church not allowing a move of God.

Me niether!


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