Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
 

Ex 33:1-6
And the LORD said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it:

2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:

3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.

4 And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5 For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

6 And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by the mount Horeb.
KJV

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Don't even try bringing the OT up. GIMME SOME NT SCRIPTURES!

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As for me, I will take the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! :)

Go ahead a preach OldPaths!

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Old Path, Does CAF know you are posting on AFF ???? :happydance

just curious :gaga

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BTW, i was taught in bible class that this was a sign of

Israel's renewed consecration

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Does the Bible define ornaments?

Strongs says its "Trappings".

What's your definition?

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psst..hey you...:stirpot

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Me too, but some people around want to demand NT scriptures when it's convenient for them to do so and then turn around and use OT scriptures to justify their beliefs. Ya can't throw the OT out and in when it's convenient to do so.

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Does CAF have a law against posting on AFF?

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messing wichya bro

another good set of ot versesGenesis 35
1And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

2Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

3And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

4And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

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Sister, I remember Bro. C teachin us on this. Been a long time back now. I had already had a conviction on wearing jewelry, but he sure brought it out nicely in the Word. Remember the part about the iniquity of the holy things?

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yes, I remember the teaching... I truely enjoyed it! LordChocolate just preached this a couple of months ago up here! I enjoyed it very much. This church up here did not preach "standards" every service. But every so often it is taught and I will say that LordChocolate did a great job in teaching it!

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A number of holiness-based Christian groups have come to that conclusion, but doing so fails to consider the numerous other passages in the Bible that actually appear to endorse the use of jewelry. In fact, many places in the Bible show that God uses jewelry as a blessing to his children.

One of the first passages in the Bible to deal with jewelry is Gen 24:47, 48 which reads,

“And I asked her, and said, whose daughter art thou? And she said, the daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands. And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.”
Here we have a rather tender story of Abraham's servant giving jewelry to Rebekah, who was the woman God had specially chosen for Isaac. The servant then bows his head and worships God. If jewelry were sinful, his offering it as a gift to Rebekah, and then subsequently worshipping God, would be irreverent and inappropriate.

We find another such example in Gen 41:42, which says,
“And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck...”
Joseph was one of the greatest men of the Old Testament, and God blessed him greatly because of his faithfulness. In this verse, we find Joseph accepting jewelry as a gift from Pharaoh. If God forbade jewelry, undoubtedly, Joseph would have rejected this gift.

David, the man said to be after God’s own heart,1 writes in Ps 25:12,
“As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so is a wise reprover upon an obedient ear.”
David compares gold earrings to the way an obedient ear accepts wise instruction. Surely if jewelry were a sin, David would never have made a comparison between wise behavior and something that is sinful.

The prophet Isaiah wrote in Isa 61:10,
“I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.”

Isaiah compares righteousness and salvation to a bride and bridegroom who adorn themselves with jewelry. Would Isaiah compare a sinful activity to the salvation and righteousness of God?
God, through Jeremiah, speaks of jewelry in this way:
“Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? Yet my people have forgotten me days without number.” (Jer 2:32)

God compares forgetting about him to a maid who forgets her jewelry. Again, if jewelry were sinful, God would never have made such a comparison.

In Ezek 16:11-13, God says that he has blessed his children with bracelets, necklaces, earrings, jewels and crowns,
“I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.”

God would not offer his children something sinful as a gift or reward.

http://www.actseighteen.com/articles/jewelry-bible.htm

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Here's an analogy where God blessed Israel, and this is the terminology He used:

9Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

I find it interesting that God would use this terminology to indicate blessing His people, if this was truly a sin and abomination.

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Where did God’s people get the jewelry anyway?—Exodus 11:2–



God told them to borrow it from the Egyptian neighbors prior to the exodus:

Next.

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When reading this passage it is important to remember that the sin was the false calf, not the jewelry. It is also important to do some basic Bible study before drawing a conclusion–especially when trying to draw a doctrinal conclusion from a narrative text. Old Testament Christian commentators as well as Jewish commentators agree that removing jewelry was a sign of mourning or sorrow in the Near East (Clarke points out that the custom was still observed when he wrote his commentary in the 18th century [2]).

Clarke explains the historical context of the passage, but the K&D commentary succinctly sums up what was going on:

That this good beginning of repentance might lead to a true and permanent change of heart, Jehovah repeated His threat in a most emphatic manner: “Thou art a stiff-necked people; if I go a moment in the midst of thee, I destroy thee:” i.e., if I were to go up in the midst of thee for only a single moment, I should be compelled to destroy thee because of thine obduracy. He then issued this command: “Throw thine ornament away from thee, and I shall know (by that) what to do to thee [3].

Finally, it is worth pointing out that the word “stiffnecked” has absolutely nothing to do with “long gold neck collars.” The Hebrew word that the KJV translates “stiffnecked” is actually two words–H7186 and H6203. The best equivalent word in English is probably “obstinant,” which is just how the NASB translates it (I.E. “You are an obstinate people”…etc.).

http://www.whyileft.org/responses-to...dy-on-jewelry/

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Hey, did everyone miss this?

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Hey Dan, trying doing a study on the iniquity of the holy things. It's fascinating.

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I think OP either didn't get enough pulpit time this weekend

OR

CAF is bored, so he comes here and drop kicks a couple threads to get controversy started so they'll have something to talk about over there.

:toofunny

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This is pretty much how I see it:

I Peter 2-5
"They will see how you love God and how your lives are pure. 3 Do not let your beauty come from the outside. It should not be the way you comb your hair or the wearing of gold or the wearing of fine clothes. 4 Your beauty should come from the inside. It should come from the heart. This is the kind that lasts. Your beauty should be a gentle and quiet spirit. In God's sight this is of great worth and no amount of money can buy it. 5 This was the kind of beauty seen in the holy women who lived many years ago. They put their hope in God."

I have to say that I tried harder to look good on the outside WHILE I was a part of a certain organization than I do now. I now realize it's all about the INSIDE.

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Exodus 3:5 (KJV) 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Why do we wear shoes? :toofunny

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For you maybe cause your feet stink and yer wife wouldn't let you in the house without them? :lol For me because I am tenderfooted.

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Job 38:3

Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Why don't we do this?:toofunny

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Some people do - where do you think the word girdle came from -LOLOLOL!

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:toofunny

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Apparently they still had some jewelry left in Exodus 35:

Exo 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD's offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.
Exo 35:22 And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the LORD.

First of all, it doesn't sound like it was mandatory. (as many as were willing hearted), and secondly, looks like after they stripped at Mount Horeb, they obtained more OR "ornaments" was not jewelry.

How could they all put off their ornaments (jewelry) and then two chapters later still have jewelry to offer willingly to God?

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That's just what the church needs, some more loin girdling. :lol

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Men?

Wearing girdles?:reaction

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I think it is conveniant that OPs will often speak of ornamentation and make-up, but they will skip over the expensive clothing with statements like: "Oh that is relative to how much money you make."

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And?
Exo 33:4 When the people heard this troubling word they mourned; no one put on his ornaments.
Exo 33:5 For the Lord had said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'You are a stiff-necked people. If I went up among you for a moment, I might destroy you. Now take off your ornaments, that I may know what I should do to you.' "

It was about mourning...

BTW OP, here God commandes to put on sackclothe and wallow in ashes....do you obey that command?

Jer 6:26 O daughter of my people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow thyself in ashes: make thee mourning, as for an only son, most bitter lamentation: for the spoiler shall suddenly come upon us.

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This is one verse where we pick and choose. Most of us like to wear apparel even though it is in the same VERSE as gold and plaiting hair, which also we do. :)

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Is it really talking about jewerly or "trappings" as Michael has stated Strong's says?

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This is just Dan being Dan.:tic

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I don't know. Someone around here was advocating we not wear apparel. I suggested she go first. :)

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There are a lot of really good post on this thread proving why it is so important that you seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling. You can prove whatever doctrine you wish according to what scriptures you choose. :)

OR you can search your heart as to your motive for what you DO and what you DON'T do.

Your motive for not doing something can be just as wrong as your motive for doing something.

JMO :happydance

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I surely hope you are wearing apparel

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NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You betcha!:happydance