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I received this email today.

How horrible and mean-spirited is this?

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Politics can definitely get in the way of Christianity.

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I don't find it horrible or mean spirited.

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No?

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Nope.

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PP whatever happened to BG?

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No comment.

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Why is protecting our borders mean spirited?

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Baron, I asked the same thing.

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If it would be an effective deterrent I would be for it, realistically it isn't. I understand the sentiment though. I do believe we should secure our borders, I don't believe we need illegals for our economy, we can allow people to come in and work under the existing laws without allowing folks to illegally come into our country.

Arizona has done the best thing you can to stop illegal immigration, fine those who hire them enough that it isn't worth hiring them.

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*sigh*

I believe in securing borders as well. But not in such a way as to cause undue or gruesome deaths.

I have a feeling you boys think the alligator thing is funny, but I don't. I suppose it isn't a criminal I'm visualizing crossing the moat, but a mother with some children in tow. That just doesn't work out as being humorous in my head.

We are Christians first, citizens of the USA second.

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At least it would be cheaper than some of the other knuckleheaded ideas I have heard of, like rounding up all them Mexicans and sending them back.

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If there were a moat full of alligators and you jumped in with your children in tow that doesn't make me less Christian. If we put an electrified fence up with enough current to kill those who touched it and in spite of warning folks tried to cross it their blood is on their own heads.

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Baron, there is no point in killing or maiming those who try to come here. That's not what we're about.

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I believe we should protect our borders as securely as possible with as little deadly force as possible.

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No one said that was the point. If you were relatively certain that you would be killed or maimed trying to cross the border you would be less likely to attempt it.

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There's already a good chance of dying from exposure in the desert while making the trip. That doesn't seem to be a deterrent. I don't see how killing or maiming them is such a good idea, Bro. It kinda goes against my Christianness, if you know what I mean.

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I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, but the chances are pretty low that you are going to die from the heat compared to the number crossing. You will shoot them if they come in your house, but won't allow law enforcement to shoot them to keep them from invading our country. hmmm.

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I don't agree with the alligator thing, but I also don't believe in doing nothing. It is ridiculous here in Houston and only going to get worse. The stupidest law in America is that anyone born here is automatically a citizen. I believe we may be the only country with such a provision. I don't understand how two legal non entities (not saying non-human) can create a legal entity with the power to vote, etc... If we don't wake up there will be irreversable damage.

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tsstew,
I just want to say that I think your posts are a wonderful contribution to this Forum. I always look forward to your well articulated words!

At the bottom of the whole issue is addressing the uneducated workers. We wouldn't be as worried if they were educated. Uneducated people breed so much corruption.

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Exactly!

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Thanks PO right back at you. One of my biggest issues as a resident and taxpayer here in Houston is the financial burden of absorbing so many people who are not even able to share the tax burden. I saw an interview with a mayor in a smaller town who was complaining that his real population had doubled in ten years, but the city revenues were still the same. So they were having to try to provide twice the service for no more money. More people mean more police, medical services, schools and school related costs (food, teachers, buildings, materials, etc), and other services that the city and county must provide. The city was going to have to declare bankruptcy.

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There's a huge difference in someone coming here to work and someone breaking into my house to do me or my family bodily harm, Baron. I am sure you are well aware of that.

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It is a big issue. What I don't like is the "uneducated workers" taking jobs from more capable people because it is cheaper to hire them. I absolutely hate that! We see it here as I don't live to far from you.

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How about we allow anyone who wants to work to come to the states, and all the Americans who are too lazy to work, but only leech off the government (and steal MY tax dollars)--ship them out of the country?

I like that plan better. :)

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Both are breaking the law. How do we know they are coming here to work? I will answer that for you we don't. They are not just Mexicans coming across the boarder, I just seen a news item on tv the other day about them arresting Asians and middle eastern folks coming across the Texas border. If we do not protect our borders as a nation it is similiar to not protecting our homes.

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I'm for protecting the borders. I just don't think a moat full of alligators is the best--or most humane--way to do it.

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I agree with you about doing nothing. That's why I am in favor of building this wall. I also think it would make sense to give the illegals who are already here legal status, to put an end to all this nonsense with laws having to be passed and whatnot. Also, it would add several million legitimate taxpayers to the rolls. I don't think we should give them legal status until this wall is completed, however.

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You go ahead and open fire on them, if that's what trips your trigger. I am not in favor of doing that, and your comparison between them and someone trying to do my family bodily harm has to be one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen on AFF.

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Probably a good plan. But, here, we deal with those that do want to work, but they don't take care of things and they don't care! That really makes me angry also.

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I would back that if those who are coming to work respect our laws as a sovereign nation and are able to share in the burden. I am probably a little passionate about this now because I was thinking about my school tax (and I don't even have any children :). I personally don't want anybody leeching of the government and living off of my tax dollars no matter where you were born. I just don't believe that the solution is to just leave the floodgates down and allow millions more to get into that situation.

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Statements like that are deliberate hyperbole, no one would seriously suggest that as a way of fixing the problem. It’s a witty little statement made by someone who is frustrated because nothing is being done.

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The only way to come against this is to hit the employers - hard. But, it's a money issue and I don't see that getting resolved. I have no answers for the mess we are in.

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I think it was also a witty statement. We saw a couple of alligators on the way to church the other night. When I read the opening post I thought - I can contribute to that! J/K!!! :toofunny

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Not sure that there is any way to absolutely shut people out even with a wall (that would cost a fortune to build, maintain, and monitor). I have always liked the idea of drying up the demand by fining the pants off anyone who hired without proper documentation.
I also just feel strongly about revoking the current citizenship law that grants citizenship to all born here. We are just creating millions of full voters with more allegiance to another sovereign nation and culture than ours. That's how you end up with ballots including whether English should be the official language in certain American towns.
I love the fact that America is truly becoming a melting pot, but that concept only works if what is in the pot is willing to melt. A pot of rocks is not a melting pot. It's just a pot full o' hot rocks.

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What will that solve, other than to cause an increase in the numbers of people on food stamps?

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Totally agree!!!!

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They shouldn't be allowed to have food stamps as illegals. I'm with tbstew - don't make people born here citizens just because they gave birth in our hospitals. That would alleviate a lot of problems - for a start.

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They could always go back home, and if I were king they wouldn't get foodstamps.

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I will be your campaign manager!!! :happydance