The infallible Word of God?
 

Infallible:
1 : incapable of error : unerring <an infallible memory>
2 : not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint : certain <an infallible remedy>
3 : incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals


Starting from Genesis(Moses' writing) to Revelation(John's writing), from the creation of the universe and life as we know it (both biblically and scientifically)...do you really believe the bible is the infallible 'Word of God' or mere writings of man's idea of what God is and what they thought it should mean to man-kind? Faith-based alone can be blind leading the blind. I'm interested in all comments.

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before I wade in, could I ask if you have had various username incarnations on this board or the GNC?

I'm not asking for the names, just the possibility that we are communicating with a person about a topic that we have before, only with different names.

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No, I'm a new user to this board.

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Can we also get the specific ISBN of the Bible which is considered infallible?

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They didn't have ISBNs in Moses's day, or Paul's day, etc. :toofunny

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You thought it was me, dincha? :lol

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You might want to view the rules of the forum before you proceed on this thread.

Quote:

Rules of Conduct This discussion board is for Apostolic Pentecostal Christians who believe that the Bible, in its entirety, is the Word of God, is without error, and that it is completely relevant today. We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ. We do not, however, give place for the tearing down, the disputing of, or destruction of, Apostolic doctrine, the Apostolic ministry, or the Christian faith in any form. The propagation of any doctrine that is contrary to the Apostolic doctrine is not welcome here. AFF RULES

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There are no errors in the Bible that cannot be explained away, with enough hard work. And if you're motivated enough to do so (say, being tossed into the lake of fire for not doing so), it can always be done.

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You might want to view the rules of the forum before you proceed on this thread.

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Then I will have to insist on a Bible, still intact, that was published during Paul's lifetime, with a written endorsement from Jesus or one of the Disciples that it is authentic. :D

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Thanks Matt! Saved me the trouble.......

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Bump!

I've made my thoughts known on this topic already (have I "bent" the rules, maybe a tad? ;)). So, how about you folks that believe the Bible is infallible, inspired by God? Tell us why you believe that. And why you believe (if you do) that this is true of all 66 books of the Protestant canon, and that all the books God meant to be there are there, and that there are no books that should be there but are not.

You do believe that, don't you?

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For those interested in the answers to Timmy's questions please go to this site and check out questions 46-91 for a good review on infallibility, and how we came by the canon of scripture we use today. You can find out the answers to these questions and many more on this subject.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/268theologyquestions


Questions about Authority and the Bible (Bibliology)


Who do we trust for Christian authority?
What is Tradition?
What are the five main view for Christian authority?
Is the Scripture all we need?
What are the arguments for Sola Ecclesia (the Roman Catholic view of authority in the Church)?
What are the arguments against Sola Ecclesia (the Roman Catholic view of authority in the Church)? Part 1
What are the arguments against Sola Ecclesia (the Roman Catholic view of authority in the Church)? Part 2
Is the Bible alone the only infallible source for authority (sola Scriptura)?
Has the text of Scripture changed since it was first written?
How was the text of Scripture transferred from one generation to the next? Part 1
How was the text of Scripture transferred from one generation to the next? Part 2
How was the text of Scripture transferred from one generation to the next? Part 3
How accurate are Scriptures?
Do we have the right books?
What are the facts concerning the canon?
What are the tests of canonicity?
What are the arguments for the inclusion of the Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books of the Roman Catholic Bible?
What are the argumentsagainst the inclusion of the Deuterocanonical/Apocryphal books of the Roman Catholic Bible?
What is the Old Testament canon?
How were the New Testament books decided upon? Part 1
How were the New Testament books decided upon? Part 2
How were the New Testament books decided upon? Part 3
What is the doctrine of inspiration?
What is the biblical view of inspiration?
What are the different theories of inspiration?
How does inspiration occur?
What is the most common mistake that evangelicals make with regard to their understanding of the inspiration of the Scriptures?
How do we know the Bible is inspired?
What is the internal evidence for the inspiration of Scripture? Part 1
What is the internal evidence for the inspiration of Scripture? Part 2
What is the external evidence for the inspiration of Scripture? Part 1
What is the external evidence for the inspiration of Scripture? Part 2
Does the Bible err?
How is inerrancy different from infallibility?
Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy
What are the objections and responses to inerrancy?
What about all the "contradictions" in the Bible?
How have people historically interpreted Scripture?
How did the Rabbis interpret the Old Testament in Christ's day?
How did the Apostles interpret the Old Testament?
How did the early Church interpret Scripture?
How did people interpret Scripture during the medieval period?
How did the Reformers interpret Scripture?
What is the modern way of interpreting Scripture?
What are the basic principles of biblical interpretation?
What are some common interpretative fallacies?

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I agree with DKB on this topic, I wont waste your time, nobody will change my mind.

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My mind is changeable. Why shouldn't it be? It has changed a number of times on this and many other topics. It's all well and good to be fairly well convinced of something (whether it's the Bible's infallibility or the best way to cook a steak), but how could you be so certain of anything that you would never consider any other possibilities?

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The wonderful concept of having an open mind is knowing when to close it. You can't just walk around with perfectly open mind, your brain will fall out!

I have studies this subject long enough to conclude that it is a waste of time to try and argue it with anyone.

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Fired up number 46. It's an 18 minute video. Is that the average length?

This could take a while!

:lol

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I guess that's the average length, if I remember correctly they range anywhere from 9 min to 25 min. These teachers are Evangelicals not Pentecostals, you may find that more to your liking.

Don't forget to put the popcorn in the microwave!

This is my favorite one out of that list. It's a case presentation of the resurrection of Christ.

What is the external evidence for the inspiration of Scripture? Part 2

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Why you couldn't just say the second to the last one? :smack I lost count twice counting down to number 46! :D

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number 46 if you go to the site is the first one on the list I copied! LOL

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Gee thanks! That means I really wasted my time! :lol

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Any other responses to the question, besides 13 hours and 48 minutes of video? (Yes, I did the math, assuming an 18 minute average! :))

Why do you believe in those particular 66 books? You are clearly putting a huge amount of faith in the men who, centuries ago, picked them from among the candidates, and said these are God's Word.

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Timmy,

If you really wanted to know, you'd watch the video.
The research, the proofs... personal experience aside, are weighty and lengthy and it would take a considerable amount of time to go through it all on this forum... I don't have that kind of time to put into a forum.

I personally feel that if you really wanted to know, you'd take the time yourself.

You're lack of faith, is something I can't change with a hundred posts on a thousand reasons why our wonderful Bible is Truth.

You're lack of faith stems from years ago someone telling you, you recieved the Holy Ghost when you didn't. It's about time you took ownership and laid that aside and sought the Lord again, in your adulthood.
:D
And you know I say all that as a "forum friend" because we've always gotten along well.

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Leaving out all the pointless garbage, these books we have are the books that are supported by historical evidence and do not have internal contradictions. We try to base it on that, because it less likely books riddled with errors are going to be of God.

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I watched all 13 hours and 48 minutes. There is no way I could present as good and thoughtful a case as these two did. Nor am I willing to spend the time to organize the info and post it. If you really want to know you this is a good starting point. Then get the tapes for the recent discussion called the Greer-Heard forum with Dan Wallace and Bart Ehrman (of Misquoting Jesus fame) on the reliability of NT manuscripts.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blo...-observations/

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blo...r-heard-forum/

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blo...r-heard-forum/

Timmy, all of the above is not why I believe the Bible is the word of God. God has backed up His word to me over and over again. That's all the proof I need.

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1. I am watching the videos! It'll take a while.

2. I have read many defenses before, including info on how the canon was determined. Haven't seen anything yet to indicate it could only have resulted in the 66 books, and could not apply to some other books, and could not have let some uninspired things slip through. It was a human process! It could very well have been flawed.

3. My lack of faith stems from opening my eyes, and seeing that many of the statements in the Bible are not true. Some choose to ignore or explain away such untrue statements. I don't see any benefit from doing that, and in fact, it has resulted in many deaths. E.g., sick children die because their parents believed the promises of healing. (I don't see how that can be disputed, but I bet it will be.)

4. We will always get along well! :friend

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I have found a few misinterpretations.....I'll admit that.

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What kind of admission is that? ....a few misinterpretations?

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Scriptures that would seem to contradict each other.

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Care to expound? How about an example?

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If I may ask... There are people here who have made it pretty clear they dont believe this.
So why are they not banned?

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Probly because it isn't a rule that you have to be apostolic to join. You just have to understand that it's an apostolic forum.

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It says visitors are welcome.... Hey Rico looks like he is elitist like your man!

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What man is that, my friend OM?

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No! BO

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Who is that? enlighten me. I have a headache right now and can't think of who you are talking about.

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Iraq Hussein Osama!

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2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

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Hey! That reminds me of something! Thanks! :D

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Forget to take your uranium out of the enricher?