If verse 5 will send you to hell so will verse 11
 

IN the legalist love of Dueternomys teaching about a woman not wearing pants..... which is supposedly noted in verse 5..... they fail to go ahead an preach verse 11... where wearing two different type of fabrics at the same time is FORBIDDEN as well... so while we preach to that poor woman about her slacks... all the other women in our churches have got on cotton and linen..... I suggest that if verse 5 will send our women to hell lets send them to hell over verse 11 as well !!!!!

Duet 22:11 - Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together.

Same chapter as the whole women not wearing Pants doctrine........ will they now go to hell over wearing woollen and linen together?

If one applies today then ALL applies.. does it not?

I sort of like how Bishop Patterson says it !!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nTDfN1JWsFw&feature=related

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Neither Deut 22:5, nor Deut 22:11, nor any of the rest of the 613 commandments of the Law will send me to hell. I am under a New Covenant. The Old Covenant/Testament has no authority over me.

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Precisely why the only "traditional Holiness standard" that I can fully support would be the hair issue because we find it being taught in the New Testament.... and Paul causing it to transcend any particular culture by saying "it was not so from the beginning"

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:bliss

I love this place

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Dr.V.I thought you believed in God's last day prophet Elijah or better known as William Branham he taught against pants on women.

But to your question it does NOT say wearing woolen and linen together is an abomination unto God.

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Elder.. are you espousing that now those things that are merely commandments do not equal to abominations? They are lesser sins?

For the record my wife does not nor will she ever wear pants.. thats not my motivation.... we choose to keep with the traditions of the church on this matter.... but I believe the point is valid...... how can we cherry pick verse 5 and make it a modern commandment....

We know that verse 5 is not speaking of pants as pants did not exist until modern times for neither man nor woman.....

and then ignore verse 11

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Under the convenant you are under, what will send you to hell?

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Amen Sam/Jim

My wife wears pants and her salvation is conditioned upon the Law. :happydance

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I have noticed that you did not get involved in the Trim/Cut thread. Any reason?

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My dear Jewish brother.....

In my study of Judaism and the Law, I have found the the Jews do NOT believe that that keeping of the 613 mitzvot is a requirement to enter the life hereafter unless a specific law mentions that. Is it not correct that the Jews believe that anyone who keeps the Noahic covenant (7 laws of Noah) will be ushered into the life hereafter?

I well understand the discussion and debate over each of the 613 mitzvot throughout the ages as to how each is to be observed, but Jews, from what I have read, do not believe that the keeping of the law will get them to heaven.

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I love the title of Bishop Patterson's message: "Salvation is an Inside Job!" :)

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I like that as well. :)

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NIce post

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So item 1 determines that pants are more modest for men, because they will not reveal nakedness... and item 2 says that pants are immodest.

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There are times when pants are more modest than a dress! An example is a situation where there is running or jumping (sports), climbing (ladders or stairs) or bending over (scrubbing the floor or picking things up off the floor).

In my opinion, a tight dress is far more immodest than pants on a woman. A tight dress often leaves very little to the imagination! :) Yet tight dresses aren't addressed as taking you to hell! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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No one is ignoring verse 11 it was and edict for the Jewish folks teaching them separation however in verse 5 it clearly states it is an abomination UNTO God. Any abomination UNTO God in the OT is an abomination today. There were abominations unto THEM the Jews which are not applicable but anything God hates he still hates.

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I could care less what Patterson says or the Pope or Reverend Right or Pastor Manning they all are false prophets who cares.?

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And the abomination is carried over into the NT.

Romans 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Therefore, I think it's applicable as the Ten Commandments are also applicable - which is basically, Love the Lord will all your heart and love they neighbor as thyself.

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I have heard that all my life and yet it seems a little odd. God is running along through the commandments and all of a sudden this one is way more important I think I will call it an abomination...

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You mean the Nine Commandments? The Sabbath one doesn't apply anymore, does it?

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

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There is nothing odd about this. God in this chapter is teaching Isreal they are a separate people unto Him and everything they do in life teaches them that. However when God named the gender distinction it goes beyond the precepts concerning the nation of Isreal into what God hates and God hates the line between genders being errased. In creation God made man and women distinct(Praise the Lord) he wants that distinction kept and not confused. Thus He says 'this is an abomination UNTO God." Can you name an abomination UNTO God that is NOT an Abomination today?

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The Sabbath would be teaching the aspect of taking time out of our week to focus solely on Him, which we do with our Sunday services. It's the principle of application.

It's the same as telling the rich young ruler to sell ALL and follow Him. Jesus didn't actually want Him to sell everything, He just wanted the man to understand his own heart - He didn't want to go that far in his service or commitment.

Some things are not literal, but an application or principle. We don't keep the Sabbath as the Jews did, but we set aside a day to reference Him. I wish it was like it was when I was growing up - all stores were closed on Sundays - such a quiet and wonderful day it used to be!

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So, it's not a commandment, then?

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Im still looking for a branhamite that will explain how Adam was supposed to father children with carnal knowlege of his wife...

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Leviticus 11:13
And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

Leviticus 11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Leviticus 11:42
Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.



In anticipation of your claim that the above verses are not an abomination to God under the law I include the following one. Is homosexuality just an average run of the mill abomination equal to the dietary laws? See you even pick and choose which abominations are still abominations.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

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I never understood either, the difference between Thou SHALL NOT and this or that is an abomination.

I know this is a well chewed issue, but my position is that the scripture spoke more about the attitudes and spirits and demeanors, and personas more than an article of clothing.

Like I have said time and time again, I have seen many many women, pastor's wives, most distinct in their modest dress wearing the persona and attitude of a man, usurping leadership and propriety.

THIS my friend is the Abomination that Deut is speaking of, not simply a gal wearing a pair of Levis.

Let me ask you this. Had Hillary Clinton wore a dress every day and embraced the Apostolic standard, could you without a doubt say, there goes a lady, acting like a lady, being a lady, speaking like a lady.

No.

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LOL! It's the Christian thing to do. I mean He formed us, died for us, and our life is about...? What is our life about? It is "For in Him that we live, and move, and have our being." Act 17:28

Why would we argue whether it's a commandment or not? My life isn't about remodeling my home, paying bills, putting money in my 401K, shopping at the mall........ KWIM?

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I believe that Deut 22:5 is solely a homosexuality issue and is supported in the NT as a sin, as well. (Romans 1:27)

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Agreed. But that doesn't explain the arbitrary distinction between an abomination and an abomination unto the Lord.

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While there are Apostolic women don't care one whit about the pants issue having fully assimilated into the Apostolic culture, I believe more of them should fear fire and brimstone because of the "costly array" business.

It is such a sham, here these women put their blue collar men through the wringer because they want to have a Louis Vitton purse on their arm like the Pastor's wife or other woman in the church...

That is holiness and separation and modesty I suppose.

:boxing

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I agree...especially when I witness in more than a few occasions around the country the Pastor's wife telling him what to do and what not to do.

this isn't about the pastor's wife, bless their hearts, it is about women wearing the persona and usurping the duties and responsibilities of a man.

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Some things were an abomination at the time, it seems, and others still an abomination - homosexuality for one thing.

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Carpenter,
I view this post as broadbrushing people when all of us don't care about Louis Vuitton. And if that man wants to buy her an expensive purse let him do it.
Abraham had his tent "enlarged", but we are mad that Apostolics spend money and have nice things?

What?

Further, I think our women look and dress nice and, IMO, I like that aspect of it. One thing I hate is Michelle Obama bringing in her casual dress to the White House. I hate the frumpiness of society and it's getting more causal by the hour.

On the point of "you are going to hell if you don't do this or that" and then say it's "not salvational", well I do have issue with that, to be honest.

BUT, dressing nice is good. :thumbsup

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As is I Cor 11.

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First I heard of the 7 laws of Noah.

What are they?

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Cuz this is AFF! :happydance

You got me thinking, when you mentioned that the Ten Commandments still apply: do they really? Are they all still commandments? Or are they now the Nine Commandments and One Christian Thing To Do?

And what about the others? Is there still a commandment in effect not to lie? Is murder a sin? Coveting your neighbor's wife?

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Knock yourself out, Tim-may! :toofunny

Well, I'm finished eating breakfast and reading the news. I need to get to work now. :D

Have a good one, well as best you can, being you want to - possibly - covet another man's wife. Bring a gun, you might need it! :happydance :toofunny

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I agree with you and I didn't say all women, but I would say there is an element or spirit if you want to go so far as to say (and I would :D) that men and women have a desire to appear affluent in order to fit in and this is as bad if not worse than violating the apostolic dress codes and social rules of separation from the world and all that.

Like I heard one minister say...and it caused me to fall on the floor laughing...

"I have a fake Rolex, but I can afford it."