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Church of the Lord Jesus of The Apostolic Faith
In 1962, during the church's National and International Convention, he was elevated to the helm of the organization. His ordination came more than a year after the death of Bishop S. C. Johnson and lengthy court battles that were prompted from within the organization. Brother Shelton was elevated to Bishop and General Overseer of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith at age 33.

http://tcljc.com/bio_bsms.html
Interesting beginnings

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IMO Shelton was never the preacher/orator that Bishop Johnson was.

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You know that shows you how big of impression Bishop Johnson had on the entire world. 47 years after his death people are still talking about his teachings. Wow!


Since this is my first post I would like to clarify something I saw on this board. Most people are quoting second hand stuff they heard from various tapes and people that probably never even sat under Bishop Johnson. Like every preacher for you to get an understanding of what he teaches you have to sit under him at least a year and not hear tapes.

Even though most people thought this man was crazy, we have to give it to him, he did have the largest Apostolic movement in his time. Why you may ask? Because he preached like he was sent straight out of heaven! Name one person today that preaches with that much boldness?

Unfornately I was not alive when he was around but for him to preach against things and then do those things himself like not watch TV, go to movies, wear only 4 colors, and etc. 90% of you would not give up half of those things to be saved. Bishop Johnson was after the Spirit of Christ. He was willing to give up all to follow him. I have more respect for Amish people than most Apostolic preachers today.

Now if these preachers were true men of God they would get off their high horse and try to get together.Until we all come in the unity of the spirit..) and form the one church that is suppose to be on one accord, speak the same thing, have all things common and the same mind!

God Bless

Bishop Johnson was right. Jesus is not currently the Son of God. Keyword: currently. Jesus was but is no more.

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A couple of questions about Bishop Johnson's teachings:
1. When did Jesus become the Son of God?
2. When did Jesus cease being the Son of God?

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I used to listen to Bishop Johnson on the radio years ago.
I also remember Bishop Shelton but I don't remember hearing him much.

There was a local church in Cincinnati which was part of this organization.
I never visited there but one day called it to see about when services were held. The woman who answered told me that they listened to tapes of Bishop Johnson or Bishop Shelton in their services. She told me "Some times we have Bishop Johnson and some times we have Bishop Shelton."

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In a real sense tapes are not 'second hand'. If one hears the complete sermon that is equivalent to 'being there'.

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Yup. I was trying to figure out what makes him think listening to a tape of a sermon makes it any different than listening to it in person.

Of course live is always better but it does not change the content that is preached.

I also found it ironic that he said that and later said he was not alive when SC Johnson was. Obviously he must have only heard him on tape himself!

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Bishop Johnson made his mark in his time. This poor uneducated black man from South Carolina built the largest Apostolic church in the world at that time AND the largest church building in Philly, also he built the first Apostolic radio network he was on 7 nights a week for an hour. He bought and built over 60 congregations across the nation. I listened to him as a boy. Shelton was a joke.

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If doing those things would save him, then he didn't need a savour.

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If you read Hebrews 10:12, Colossians 3:1,Hebrew 4:14-16.

If Jesus is NOT the son of God Now, Who is being referenced in the above scriptures? Don't be ignorant. Please read and get an understanding. Let God be true and every man a liar. All of the above scriptures were written many years after Jesus rose and ascended. If they were true then, they are still true now. Please search the scriptures and find one that states that Jesus Christ is NOT the son of God or where He ever ceased to be that.

Thanks

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Lee the good Bishop was wrong the scriptures plainly declare Jesus is the Son of God NOW:
1. "We HAVE(that is right now) a great high priest passed INTO the HEAVENS, Jesus the Son of God." Heb.4:14
2." ...declared to BE(right now) the Son of God...by the resurrection of the dead.
3."..and to wait for his Son FROM Heaven."1Thess1:10
4."....these things SAITH(60 years after the resurrection)the Son of God"
It seems Paul and John hadn't heard the Good Bishop's doctrine?:happydance

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He excelled on the doctrine of soul sleep and headcovering. He struck out BIG TIME denying Jesus is the Son of God. Can one be saved if he does that?.

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He also was off on the headcovering. However he was correct about the resurrection.

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I find it ironic that you would make those two statements so close together.

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Bishop Sherrod C. Johnson (1897-1961) taught that the Sonship of Christ began when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary and she gave birth to the Son of God and ended with his death at Calvary. He taught that Son was the body that God prepared for the purpose of redemption. (see Johnson, Sherrod, Is Jesus Christ The Son of God Now?)

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I am not a debater but I have always thought the sonship of Christ began in Mary´s womb and will only end at the end of time...
Brother Epley could you please comment about this?

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So, when did the Sonship end?
And what scriptures do you have to support your answer?
Does the scripture anywhere say that the Sonship wouldend?

Dont give us Johnson's teaching or opinion on this. Give us scripture please. Man's opinion is irrelevant in this discussion.

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I am not apart and never have been apart of Bishop Johnson's church. I was rasied in a small Trinitarian church that was associated with the United Pentecostal Council of the Assemblies of God (a splinter group from the Assemblies of God, Springfiled, MO).

I do believe that the Oneness of God is in Christ. That Jehovah God of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ of the New. I believe that there is One God (Deut 6:4), who when the fullness of time can manifested Himself as the Son (Gal 4:4) to redeem man from sin (Jo 3:16-17). This is when the Son, the Logos came into existence (Jo 1:1,14). The Sonship ended with the death on the Cross, when Christ said "it is finished", the purpose for which the Son came and was born was completed. To die for the sins of the world (Heb 9:22). Jesus as the Son died in a natural body (Lk.24:29) but rose in a spiritual body (1 Cor 15:44) in whom all the fulness of the Godhead dwells (Col 2:9). He rose as the Mighty God and all power in heaven and earth is in His hands (Mat 28:19). [remember when Jesus was bodily on earth He had 2 natures human and divine, Father and Son; the Son was the Flesh and God dwelled in that body]

Some Oneness people believe that the Sonship will end at the White Throne judgment, but I personally understand that it ended at Calvary and that One God is the Lord Jesus Christ.

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That's much too vague. Jesus saying "it is finished" is in no way saying the Sonship is finished.

Furtheremore, for one to believe that Jesus' sonship ended at the cross, once would have to ignore the fact that Jesus is referred to as "the Son" of God many times after the cross.... ([such as: Rom 8:29, 1 Co 1:9, 2 Cor 1:19, Gal 2:20, Gal 4:6, Eph 4:13, Heb 6:6 and Rev 2:18 to name a few]...notice that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God in Rev 2:18).

Allow me to respectfully say, my brother, that I think you really need to study this matter a bit more, because frankly, you are way off on this issue.
Anyway, that would lead to my next question... If the Sonship is finished as you say, and we should no longer refer to him as the Son of God, then what should we refer to Him as, instead? In other words, what office does He now hold in the Kingdom of God?

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HEY!! This what I was taught when I lived in Florida!!!!

But I never attended a Church of The Lord Jesus Christ....

I thought it was wrong then. I think it is wrong now.

Jesus Christ has been the Son from the beginning and He is the Son now.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He is God-- not because it makes sense to me, but because this is what the Bible says to me.

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WRONG there was no SON in the BEGINNING there was just GOD... there was WORD in the Beginning.. Sons have Beginnings GOD does not

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Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from old, From everlasting."

St John 8:58
"Jesus said to them, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.'"

St John 17:5
"And now O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

The caps and all other punctuation are true to form to my Bible beside me.

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What was IN CHRIST? GOD

Who was SPEAKING? GOD

GOD IN CHRIST was I AM
GOD IN CHRIST was from everlsting to everlasting.. not the man Jesus

There was no SON in creation.. on the WORD OF GOD which became flesh... the WORD was in the Beginning.. NOT THE SON

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Well Sir, I simply disagree with you.

Your explanation does not hold water in light of St John 17:5, 1 Timothy 3:16 and it does not address the second half of Micah 5:2-- "the One whose goings forth ARE FROM OLD, from everlasting-- this same One came "out of" "Bethleham Ephrathah."

Jesus also said, "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

The language of the entire second half of St John 17 just will not fit your explanation at all.

In order for your doctrine to be true, you'd have to just throw away that part of scripture.

There is some sense of separation and Oneness described in this passage that (IMHO) neither the Trinitarian or Oneness views of God adequately covers.

Your view doesn't hold water either.

I guess if we knew all that there was to God that would make us________

(hint: something we're not....)

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There was no SON in creation.. on the WORD OF GOD which became flesh... the WORD was in the Beginning.. NOT THE SON[/QUOTE]

WRONG.

The SON was there because He said He was there, with His Father.

Let scripture explain scripture.

St John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God."

St. John 1:2
"He was in the beginning WITH God"

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Listening to tapes is not the same as being there day in and day out. You are going to tell me that you can get a good feel for a person by listening to him on a tape a few times? Come on people! You cannot tell me you have never sat in church and something was said and if you were not there all these years you would have walked out and never came back. You stayed because you have a full understanding of the preacher and teaching. Bishop Johnson preached over 40 years and you are going to tell me every sermon he was a clear as clean glass? People just do not want to give others their due.

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not so sure I agree with that. I think there are things lost when you only hear it on tape or on video. personal opinion

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1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

There is still at this time the man Christ Jesus in heaven. He is still acting as redeemer and mediator. This fleshly body was for the purpose of Propitiation. Satisfying the judgment of God. Also this was The ultimate revelation of God to humanity.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Jesus did not reveal himself, God who was in Christ revealed who he really was. If anybody claims to be God and doesn't have the works to back it up?

Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Mar 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
Mar 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
Mar 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
Mar 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.

Who did Stephen see in heaven? He saw the Son of Man not The Son of God.

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Hope this don't blow your theology:crazy

God Bless
Pastor Daniel T Salaz

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Pastor,
The "Son of Man" is the the "Son of God". I am not understanding what you are trying to say.

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This is the duality of his nature. He is the Son of Man, human nature. He is also the Son of God, divine nature. Fully God and Fully man. God added to himself a human nature or part of creation even though he is transcendent to creation. In stepping into and involving himself in the affairs of man he showed his immanence. This is God Manifesting himself using part of creation to reveal his presence. All other manifestations were temporal for they were not fused with God. Jesus is the only begotten of God as of a father giving of himself, in the loins of a father his children are a product of him. Adam was not begotten he was created. Jesus is inseparable from God in creation. When we see him, he reveals the invisible God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born ( from Mary, Son of Man), unto us a son is given (from God, Son of God): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

God Bless
Pastor Salaz

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1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Has the end come yet?

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We still have the tribulation period. The seventieth week of Daniel

Also the millenium

We still have a while.

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Elder Epley I beg to differ ... Bishop Johnson was not off on the head covering. I Cor. 11.6

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I like your post. I have an answer to who is preaching this boldly, now? Pastor Gino Jennings in Philidelphia (headquarters). Go to truthofgod.com/justin.tv/truthofgod.

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Jesus became the son of God from before the foundation of the world, He was a thought/idea. God planned this the whole time, the manifestation came when Mary birthed the "work clothes" for our Saviour/God to wear.
Jesus stopped existing as the Son of God in the flesh when the body was glorified after the ressurection. The title son of God still exists, but that flesh and blood was turned itno immortality, Jesus was the first fruit of the ressurection. We shall be like Him when he comes. I too will be changed into a body not made with hands. God bless.

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wow, never heard of that one before :toofunny

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If he's talking about women dresses he's wrong.

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4 colors? Yeah that's interesting.

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I wonder how he came up with the 4 color limit and wonder what the 4 colors are.

I used to listen to him on the radio back in the nineteen fifties.
After his death I remember Bishop S. McDowell Shelton taking over.
I have never been to one of the churches in that organization but there used to be (may still be) one of them in the Cincinnati area. I talked to someone there who answered the church phone and she told me that they gathered and listened to tapes, some times they heard Bishop Johnson and some times they heard Bishop Shelton. That just seemed cultic to me.