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rgcraig 06-24-2008 11:22 AM
Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

mizpeh 06-24-2008 11:23 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 507966)
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If I did, I wouldn't be here right now! :tissue

Ron 06-24-2008 11:31 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
You have a point Renda, however we have to define temperance.

Smoking isn't in the Bible so with that in mind is one cigarette enough?
What about Pot, is one joint okay?
Drinking wine in the Bible isn't forbidden, but it is spoken of as to not be drunk with wine but be filled with the Spirit.

Baron1710 06-24-2008 11:31 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 507966)
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
We have a measuring stick by which we judge these things in our home, in fact this is the screen saver on my wife's laptop.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think about such things.

Ron 06-24-2008 11:32 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 507976)
We have a measuring stick by which we judge these things in our home, in fact this is the screen saver on my wife's laptop.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think about such things.


Good scripture.

rgcraig 06-24-2008 11:33 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 507976)
We have a measuring stick by which we judge these things in our home, in fact this is the screen saver on my wife's laptop.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think about such things.
Now that is a good definition of temperance!

Elizabeth 06-24-2008 11:39 AM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Your thought reminded me of this scripture:

1 Corintian 9:25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown

Tim Rutledge 06-24-2008 12:13 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 507976)
We have a measuring stick by which we judge these things in our home, in fact this is the screen saver on my wife's laptop.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think about such things.
Baron.. I started my first ever (and only) thread on this forum with that scripture. Positively..positive. It seemingly flopped.

Cindy 06-24-2008 12:17 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 507976)
We have a measuring stick by which we judge these things in our home, in fact this is the screen saver on my wife's laptop.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think about such things.
Yes, excellent. What a great thing to teach our children.

Baron1710 06-24-2008 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 508088)
Baron.. I started my first ever (and only) thread on this forum with that scripture. Positively..positive. It seemingly flopped.
Don't give up you'll get there...
II Peter 1:5-7
For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.:happydance

Tim Rutledge 06-24-2008 12:24 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508103)
Don't give up you'll get there...
II Peter 1:5-7
For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.:happydance
I'll get Where.. to your level.

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:24 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 507966)
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Your post shakes me out of a complacency I can fall into (with many of my brethren). Some how there is this idea that not being subject to the law is a state of "lesser acountability".

Our HEART is the source of EVERY issue that we are expected to take before God. Our actions are only outcomes extending from the true motive center of each of us....the thoughts and intents of our hearts.

Temperance is established as a heart condition. It can not be humanly 'willed' or purposed into being. It is the manifestation of a life in Christ that is moving beyond milk, and going on to perfection.

Baron1710 06-24-2008 12:27 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 508115)
I'll get Where.. to your level.
Well...If you set your goals too high you might get discouraged.:happydance

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:29 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508122)
Well...If you set your goals too high you might get discouraged.:happydance

...can temperance be in operation when over-achieving goal setting is in the mix?

Pressing-On 06-24-2008 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508127)
...can temperance be in operation when over-achieving goal setting is in the mix?
That's an interesting question as I wanted to ask - Can we be temperate in ALL things?

Baron1710 06-24-2008 12:33 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508127)
...can temperance be in operation when over-achieving goal setting is in the mix?
Just to make sure I will under achieve for the rest of the day.

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:36 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508137)
Just to make sure I will under achieve for the rest of the day.
unless it is your purposed counterbalance to an over-achieving morning, your compass is still not pointing to "temperate in all things"....just some spiffy footwork used to dance the afternoon away:gaga

Tim Rutledge 06-24-2008 12:38 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508122)
Well...If you set your goals too high you might get discouraged.:happydance
Your humor is great.. except for the funny part.:bliss

Pressing-On 06-24-2008 12:38 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 508148)
Your humor is great.. except for the funny part.:bliss
:toofunny

Cindy 06-24-2008 12:39 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508117)
Your post shakes me out of a complacency I can fall into (with many of my brethren). Some how there is this idea that not being subject to the law is a state of "lesser acountability".

Our HEART is the source of EVERY issue that we are expected to take before God. Our actions are only outcomes extending from the true motive center of each of us....the thoughts and intents of our hearts.

Temperance is established as a heart condition. It can not be humanly 'willed' or purposed into being. It is the manifestation of a life in Christ that is moving beyond milk, and going on to perfection.
I would think we are "more accountable".

Baron1710 06-24-2008 12:39 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508142)
unless it is your purposed counterbalance to an over-achieving morning, your compass is still not pointing to "temperate in all things"....just some spiffy footwork used to dance the afternoon away:gaga
I can assure you I don't dance, and it has nothing to do with legalism, I was just born very very white in that department.

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:40 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508152)
I can assure you I don't dance, and it has nothing to do with legalism, I was just born very very white in that department.
....Ok, so you two-step the afternoon away:happydance

Baron1710 06-24-2008 12:41 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 508148)
Your humor is great.. except for the funny part.:bliss
Here I was dispensing heartfelt advice and you thought I was being funny.

Cindy 06-24-2008 12:41 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge (Post 508148)
Your humor is great.. except for the funny part.:bliss
Dude.........:toofunny

Tim Rutledge 06-24-2008 12:45 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 508161)
Here I was dispensing heartfelt advice and you thought I was being funny.
your quite the wit. take care bro. God bless.
TR

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:46 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
I apologize to r.craig for my lack of temperance concerning when, and how long, to hijack a thread.

I got caught in a bit of a tape loop with a guy with a J.D.

I did not do well.

I apologize to you.

Tim Rutledge 06-24-2008 12:48 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 508151)
I would think we are "more accountable".
I agree.

Pressing-On 06-24-2008 12:49 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 508135)
That's an interesting question as I wanted to ask - Can we be temperate in ALL things?
Nobody loves me!!!

:tissue

Cindy 06-24-2008 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 508178)
Nobody loves me!!!

:tissue
Go play with your puppy, he loves you............:bliss

Did I tell you we will probably be getting an air conditioner for our puppy? Girl she is huge, I will have to post another pic.

:happydance

Pressing-On 06-24-2008 12:54 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 508183)
Go play with your puppy, he loves you............:bliss

Did I tell you we will probably be getting an air conditioner for our puppy? Girl she is huge, I will have to post another pic.

:happydance
I knew someone loved me!!! :tissue

I blow two fans on him, in the shop, at night. I also put two bowls of water out. I am watching the water level to see if he is getting overheated. That would be an indicator, wouldn't it?

If I left him in the yard and he barked at night, my husband would get up and shoot him and I'm not making that up!! :tissue

tbpew 06-24-2008 12:56 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 508151)
I would think we are "more accountable".
As do I.
For those who share in this 'state of mindedness', it would seem like any discussion about 'are you still under the law' would become a moot point being that we are members of a body predicated upon something higher rather than lesser; love. If the law, being good, would require something, LOVE would even more so have this condition established in the abundance of the heart.

Cindy 06-24-2008 12:57 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
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Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508194)
As do I.
For those who share in this 'state of mindedness', it would seem like any discussion about 'are you still under the law' would become a moot point being that we are members of a body predicated upon something higher rather than lesser; love.
Amen!

rgcraig 06-24-2008 02:32 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 508117)
Your post shakes me out of a complacency I can fall into (with many of my brethren). Some how there is this idea that not being subject to the law is a state of "lesser acountability".

Our HEART is the source of EVERY issue that we are expected to take before God. Our actions are only outcomes extending from the true motive center of each of us....the thoughts and intents of our hearts.

Temperance is established as a heart condition. It can not be humanly 'willed' or purposed into being. It is the manifestation of a life in Christ that is moving beyond milk, and going on to perfection.
So true!

Michlow 06-24-2008 02:39 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 507966)
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
I don't. Does that surprise anyone?

I am not even being flippant, either ;)

I have always been a person of extremes. Which is not to say that I lovingly embrace that tendency!

I fully acknowledge that I am currently taking a vacation at the opposite extreme of where I used to live. But I do believe that I will eventually move to a little more balanced place. (Though my "balance" may still be far more left than anyone else on this board, lol)

CC1 06-24-2008 02:41 PM
Re: Temperance - Do We Have Any?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 507966)
With all this talk about TV, internet, books and the choices we have to make everyday where is our temperance?

Are we taught temperance? Do we trust ourselves to make sound choices with moderation?


Galatians 5:22-25 (King James Version)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
I enjoy watching Temperance on Bones.

Michlow 06-24-2008 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 508405)
I enjoy watching Temperance on Bones.
I love that show! LOL

Now, aparently we need to repent, and head over to the evils of TV thread :D


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